6 Replies Latest reply on Aug 2, 2009 5:58 AM by Jeff Bellune

    Simple solutions for cinematic look with 60i video?


      I'm sure this questions pops up over and over but I'm getting a huge headache trying to sort everything out through my searches, especially as a beginner to the film making world.  I'll get right to my questions, but first here is the equipment I am working with:


      Camcorder = Sony HDR-XR500, shooting in 1920 x 1080 60i AVCHD format

      Software = CS4 Creative Suite


      I recently threw together a 10 min movie of a trip I just arrived back from using Premiere Pro, and while it was a lot of fun putting together I really have no idea if I went about it the right way.  I want to practice taking a clip of mine and converting it to that cinematic look, and hope someone can help guide me through some steps.


      Here is what I want to achieve:


      - 2.35:1 pixel ratio

      - 24p or similar effect (trying to figure this out makes my head spin)


      I know color correction has a lot to do with the cinematic look, but I realize there are many ways of going about this so I'll refrain from asking any questions in regards to this for now.  (I did find using the Fast Color Corrector and setting Saturation to 75%, and Input levels to 20, 1, 220 gave a nice film look)


      Step 1: What settings should I use to create my new project?

      Capture Format = HDV?

      For the sequence presets should I use AVCHD 1080i30 (60i) non-anamorophic?


      Step 2: If I want to create a 2.35:1 aspect ratio, should I simply crop my clip?  I think I read somewhere for 1920 x 1080 video, crop 14% from top and bottom?  Or should I crop when I export out the movie?


      Step 3: What would be the simplest/quickest way of getting that 24fps look using Premiere Pro or After Effects?  I know shooting in 24p is obviously the easiest way, but should I simply deinterlace my 60i video by right clicking clip>Field Options> Always deinterlace to achieve similar effect?


      Step 4: Exporting video....again so many options I'm not sure what to do here.  Basically, could someone provide me with the best exporting options for the format I'm trying to achieve for:

      - Posting on Internet

      - Viewing on computer

      - And viewing on blu-ray


      I really appreciate any help to the above questions.  Big thanks!

        • 1. Re: Simple solutions for cinematic look with 60i video?
          Jeff Bellune Level 5

          Step 1: Capture settings are irrelevant for AVCHD on that camera.  Just copy the entire folder structure intact to your hard drive.  Pr will find the copied footage through the Media Browser panel.  You may even be able to edit directly from the camera's HDD.  You should try it and see.


          Step 2: 1920x816 produces a 2.35:1 aspect ratio.  Assuming all of your action occurs in the exact vertical center of the shot, then you should crop 132 pixels from top and bottom.  Placing your 1080 footage into a custom progressive sequence of those dimensions should get you what you want, as long as you don't have Default scale to frame size selected in Preferences.


          Step 3: This is the tough one.  To get 24 fps out of 30 fps, one frame out of every 5 needs to be dropped.  This will produce perceptually jerky playback, especially if any motion at all is present.  So the remaining frames must be blended together in some way to smooth out the bump where the missing frame is.  Using AE to accomplish this is, IMHO, the best solution for an all-CS4 workflow.  In AE, you have 2 choices: Frame Mix and Pixel Motion.  PM produces better results, but FM renders faster.  If you haven't done any editing of the clips in Pr yet, then the best idea would be to convert all of the footage in AE before importing it into Pr.  If you've already got edits in place in Pr, then you can select all of the clips in the sequence and choose File | Adobe Dynamic Link | Replace with After Effects Composition.  Either way, each clip in AE must be individually interpreted to Separate Fields/Preserve Edges.  The comp settings must be set to 24p.  Then Frame Blending must be enabled for the comp, and finally, each Frame Blending Layer Switch must be set to either Frame Mix or Pixel Motion.  If you do use Dynamic Link, be sure to turn *off* Frame Blending in Pr, because AE has already taken care of that.


          Step 4: Because rendering will be so intensive and take so long, I recommend exporting an intermediate file from Pr, then re-importing that file to be used as the source for the various export formats.  Otherwise, you'll have to render all over again for each individual export format.  For web, I recommend Flash.  For computer viewing, it depends on your delivery method (CD, DVD, Download, External Hard Drive, Flash Drive, etc.).  For Blu-ray, either H.264 Blu-ray or MPEG2 Blu-ray.



          • 2. Re: Simple solutions for cinematic look with 60i video?
            Jim_Simon Level 8

            Quite honestly the simplest solution would be to just shoot in 24p mode.  AVCHD is capable of it.

            • 3. Re: Simple solutions for cinematic look with 60i video?
              Jeff Bellune Level 5



              Read Step 3 in the OP.



              • 4. Re: Simple solutions for cinematic look with 60i video?
                Jim_Simon Level 8

                I caught that.  Seemed he knew the answer, just needed reinforcement.

                • 5. Re: Simple solutions for cinematic look with 60i video?
                  jbertch Level 1

                  Thank you for the feedback...very helpful!  I think I'll quit worrying about trying to convert to 24p....probably better things for me to focus on at this stage.


                  This leads me to a couple other questions however.  So whenever I export, either to a MPEG2, or H.264 or someother MPEG variant, I want to be sure to select a preset with a frame rate of 29.97 correct?


                  Also, for example, if I were to export my video out as an MPEG2, which preset would work best with my video.  Many of them seem redundant to me?  I see there is an option to choose HDTV 1080i 29.97 High Quality, or HDTV 1080p 29.97 High Quality.  Would the latter deinterlace my video for me,  or do I need to select the deinterlace option from the Field Options for each clip?


                  Thanks for bearing with me....still a foreign language to me at this point.

                  • 6. Re: Simple solutions for cinematic look with 60i video?
                    Jeff Bellune Level 5

                    For web and computer display, you need to scale down your video and deinterlace it.  That's less work than changing the frame rate to 24 fps, but it's still time intensive due to the need for Maximum Render Quality to be used for export.


                    If you are going to use HD video for web, download and DVD delivery on a regular basis, then you really should adopt Dan Isaac's AviSynth/VirtualDub workflow.  Search the forum for "hd2sd".  It's significantly faster than an all-CS4 workflow, and produces much better results when interlaced video is involved.


                    For Blu-ray delivery, keep the video HD and keep it interlaced.  An H.264 Blu-ray or MPEG2 Blu-ray preset that produces 1920×1080, 16x9, 29.97 fps, interlaced output is Blu-ray legal, and won't be re-transcoded by Encore.