12 Replies Latest reply: Oct 6, 2010 6:18 AM by cvgs RSS

    Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?

    zeppm Community Member

      I use FM 8 and RH 7.  I have a graphic on a reference page in a 2 column, 1 row table in FM.  When I import the book into RH, RH does not recognize the graphic and leaves a blank space.  How can I get RH to recognize the graphic?

       

      I've tried to import the graphic into the table without using the reference page, and I can't get it to center both vertically and horizontally in the cell.  If someone knows how to do that, that would work!  Also, if someone knows how to get the graphic centered next to the left next to a block of text without using a table at all, that would work.

       

      I just need some way of getting this graphic recognized in RH without having to hand copy/paste.

       

      Thanks!

        • 1. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
          cvgs Community Member

          Did you ever get this answered?  I'm having the same problem.

          • 2. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
            RobWer1 Community Member

            I am also experiencing this problem. We have dedicated note, warning, tips and info para styles associated with the imnages on the FM Reference pages via the Frame Above Pgf setting and these para styles populate the left hand cell of the dedicated tables.

             

            I created a Robohelp para style and mapped this to the fm NoteIcon image style. Added the Note icon image in the new RH style in the borders and shading dialog of the style but this still does display in the generated output.

             

            I can't understand why this doesn't work unless this approach is flawed or there is some sort of location where the source image needs to be added in the project.

             

            We are new to this version having just invested in the Tech Comm Suite as an upgrade to working with an old version of Webworks (8.0) which although clunky handled these conversions well. of RH Any ideas gratefully received as this is melting my brain and we have so many other details to iron out.

            • 3. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
              shaneataylor Community Member

              We use this technique for our Notes, Tips, etc. too. RH won't get the images from the reference pages. What I did was:

              1. Modify the CSS you are using in RH so the left cell of the mapped table style uses the icon as a background image, e.g.:
                TABLE.Note td.t1Col {
                     background: transparent url("note_icon.png") no-repeat scroll top right;
              2. Save copies of your icon files somewhere that RH can find them.

              3. Add the icon files as "baggage" files in RH before building the helps.

              Took a while to figure this one out, so happy to help!

              • 4. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                RobWer1 Community Member

                Thank you!

                 

                My problem is solved. I have however now found out (being a slow learner) that i could've used the UI all along to edit the left column rather than the CSS directly. You help me got me there so thanks for the input.

                 

                I have been strggling all week to understand this and hav ebeen all over the place looking for solutions. I imagine that many people would need to resolve this because it is a very common approach by Frame users to create notes and warnings etc in table this way. I still do not understand where the best places are to find answers to all the common queires, especially of rRobohelp8

                 

                Anyway, one again, thanks for the help

                • 5. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                  cvgs Community Member

                  What do you mean by editing the left column in the UI?

                   

                  Unfortunately, as great as Adobe products are, there isn't a lot of documentation out there to help.  I have found the online training that R.J. Jacquez does to be very good, but it's also an investment of time, since each training session takes about 1.5 hours.  That's not counting the amount of time that it takes to do note taking.

                   

                  I have found the forums to be the best source of information.

                   

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                  • 6. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                    RobWer1 Community Member

                    Sorry, i meant the left-hand column in my custom Note table.

                     

                    Yes RJ Jacquez'  presentations are very helpful with useful tips. Would be great if there was somewhere to put up shorter best practice videos or postings for specific common issues like the one i have been having with referenced graphics in tables.

                     

                    Shane Taylors response in this thread is a great help but the exact edit to my CSS which i used is:

                     

                    table.zNote td.t1st {
                    background-image: url(NoteIcon.gif);
                    background-position: Center Center;
                    background-repeat: No-Repeat;
                    background-attachment: fixed;

                     

                     

                    For the record, here's a description of my problem and how it fits together. I presume something similar for paragraphs which are not in tables would work like this too.

                    In Framemaker, i produce notes in my Frame documents by inserting a custom note table with 2 columns.  In the right column I enter my note information and in the left column i associate a paragraph style which references an icon on the Reference page using the Frame Above Pgf option in the paragraph designer Advanced tab. I have tjhree other stlyes like this for different purposes plus a copy of each in indented tables for notes in lists.

                     

                    +------------------+-----------------------------+

                    | Note Icon Pgf    |  Note content                |

                    +------------------+-----------------------------+

                     

                    After linking or importing Frame files into Robohelp, the table displays with an empty left hand column because the referenced graphic is not converted by RH.

                     

                    I create a table style and want to apply to the left hand column a reference to my note image in the Style dialog > Format > Borders and Shading option. In the Style dialog > Apply formatting to, selecting First column, where i want the icon to go, disables the Format option preventing access to the Borders and Shading option where you specify the image.

                     

                    The only way I can see to access the Format option for a specific column is first to set up a CSS entry as I have shown above. when i return to the Styles dialog and select the First column option, the Format option is now enabled. Of course I now no longer need to because the settings I want to make are already covered in the CSS entry I made but good to know for future reference. This is completely unintuitive though. I havent yet seen an entry on the forums which clearly explain this even though, according to MaryAnn8 (http://forums.adobe.com/message/894025?tstart=0#894025), it is common practice for Frame users to create notes in Frame in this way. If so, there must be plenty of other Frame users wishing to solve this issue.

                     

                    Is this obvious to others except me?

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                    • 7. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                      RJ Jacquez Community Member

                      Hi All,

                       

                      Regarding recreating warning/tip/note tables in RoboHelp based on images in FrameMaker's Reference Pages in the Adobe Tech Comm Suite, I have been working with Mayank, our RoboHelp Engineer, on a RoboHelp script, which will automate this process for you.

                       

                      The following recording shows how the scripts can be used, based on on two scenarios, namely:

                       

                      1. If you use a two-cell table in FrameMaker.
                      2. And a slightly modified version if you use side-heads instead to create your warning/tip/note paragraphs.

                       

                      To apply this to your documenation, please watch the recording in its entirity and at the end of it, you will have the ability to download both scripts and put them to work with your own FrameMaker files.

                       

                      Please provide feedback to me, ideally via Twitter and as always, I thank you for using our Adobe products.

                       

                      Here's my original Tweet, which includes the link to the recording: http://twitter.com/rjacquez/status/5988092308

                       

                      Sincerely,

                       

                      RJ Jacquez

                      Adobe Evangelist for Technical Communication

                      on Twitter @rjacquez

                      • 8. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                        cvgs Community Member

                        RJ,

                         

                        Just finished listening to the recording on how to resolve this problem and wanted to respond.  I know you wanted the response on Twitter, but we are blocked from using that here at work.

                         

                        As usual, you explained everything very clearly in your recording.  Unfortunately, I have Tech Comm Suite 1 with no hope of upgrading any time soon.  The scripting function and Resource Manager would be so worth it.  One of the other responders to this posting had a workaround that we're going to try.

                         

                        Thank you for being so responsive.

                        • 9. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                          cvgs Community Member

                          Hi,

                           

                          I hope you are still out there.  I've just recently had to pick up the .css work and can't seem to get the icon to display in the left hand column of my two-column note.

                           

                          It appears that my predecessor tried to get this done and the code looks like this:

                           

                          table.InformationIcon td.t1Col {
                          background: url(noteicon.gif);
                          background-position: center center;
                          background-repeat: no-repeat;
                          background-attchment: fixed;
                          text-align: center;

                           

                          However, it doesn't seem to be working.

                           

                          Please help, otherwise massive manual work is involved.

                          • 10. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                            RJ Jacquez Community Member

                            Hi, I think this post and the video recording will help with this task: http://rjacquez.com/using_scripting_in_robohelp_8/

                            • 11. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                              cvgs Community Member

                              RJ,

                               

                              Unfortunately, we are using FM7 in TCS1.

                               

                              PS. I'm a big fan.

                              • 12. Re: Getting FM graphic from reference page recognized in RH?
                                cvgs Community Member

                                Rob,

                                 

                                I found your instructions on this topic to be very helpful.  I finally have a RoboHelp style that does what I want and I can plainly see my information icon.  However, I don't seem to be able to map it.

                                 

                                I can see a style called TABLE.ZNOTE TD.T1st when I click Other in the Styles column of the Styles dialog.  It shows a preview of the icon that I want to see if the left hand column of my note table.

                                 

                                Here's my question:

                                 

                                How do I get it into the note table?  When I highlight the empty cell in my table where the icon is supposed to be  it is shown as FM_Information.  However, in the Style Mappings dialog, I don't see an information style to map.

                                 

                                Thanks for your (or anybody's) assistance.

                                 

                                This has certainly been another RH odyssey.

                                 

                                m