25 Replies Latest reply on Aug 14, 2009 1:35 PM by the_wine_snob

    Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?

    johngraham123

      Premiere Pro does not support Olympus PEN E-P1 videos.

      Will this be supported and any indication of when?

       

      Thanks

      John

        • 1. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          Ask Adobe. This is a user-to-user forum.

          • 2. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
            Jim_Simon Level 8

            I actually rather hope not, myself.  Premiere would be a mess if it had to support the myriad of consumer formats out there.

             

            The best recommendation is to only take stills with a still camera, and use a pro-format video camera if you intend to edit your video with Premiere.

            • 3. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
              the_wine_snob Level 9

              Welcome to the forum.

               

              Please give the full details on the files produced by this camera, including the CODEC used. This data should be available from the manual. If we just go to the Web site, it is most likely that even of the specs. page, much detail will not be listed. The manual should go into enough detail to help someone help you.

               

              As far as format support goes - well, that depends. If the files are equal to others, then there might be some sort of support built in now. If they are one-off, then who knows. To retool, Adobe would need to believe that the user-base of that format/CODEC justifies the writing, or rewriting. Only Adobe's marketing dept. and their engineering dept. can tell you exactly.

               

              Good luck, and let us know everything about the format/CODEC.

               

              Hunt

              • 4. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                Harm Millaard Level 7

                I have to agree with Jim.

                 

                I do hope Adobe will not spend efforts to support all kind of still cameras when they should direct all attention to porting to 64 bit and resolving bugs.

                • 5. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                  Colin Brougham Level 6

                  I do hope Adobe will not spend efforts to support all kind of still cameras when they should direct all attention to porting to 64 bit and resolving bugs.

                   

                   

                  Thanks for that, Harm. I needed a good belly laugh today!

                  • 6. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                    Jim_Simon Level 8

                    Now why would you put that out there?  Harm's absolutely right.  And all Premiere users need to believe that, say that, write that, and get everyone else they know to do as well.  CS5 MUST be 64 bit native from the ground up.  No 'ports' or 'virtualization' or 'compatibility'.  If you ain't running a 64 bit OS, you can't use Adobe.

                    • 7. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                      johngraham123 Level 1

                      Premiere Elements supports the E-P1 format so why not Premiere Pro?

                      • 8. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                        Curt Wrigley Level 4

                        JSS1138 wrote:

                         

                        Now why would you put that out there?  Harm's absolutely right.  And all Premiere users need to believe that, say that, write that, and get everyone else they know to do as well.  CS5 MUST be 64 bit native from the ground up.  No 'ports' or 'virtualization' or 'compatibility'.  If you ain't running a 64 bit OS, you can't use Adobe.

                        I would go further than that.  I would be happy if cs5 was only 64 bit.  Wait; maybe thats what you meant in your last sentence.

                        • 9. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                          Curt Wrigley Level 4

                          johngraham123 wrote:

                           

                          Premiere Elements supports the E-P1 format so why not Premiere Pro?

                          Because Elements is focused on consumer formats, PrPro is focused on professional formats.    Its hard to both well; apparently.

                          • 10. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                            Colin Brougham Level 6

                            Now why would you put that out there?

                            Because I'm a realist. And because I think it's ludicrous to think that a company--any company--will focus on what has to be done in their product to make it truly reflective of their customers wants and needs. Sure, they'll hit some of the marks, but far from the majority of them.

                            Harm's absolutely right. 

                            Unquestionably. However, I reserve the right to be a skeptical realist until proven wrong. I sincerely hope I am wrong, but again, there's the whole realist thing--it's sort of a feedback loop.

                            And all Premiere users need to believe that, say that, write that, and get everyone else they know to do as well. 

                            "When you wish upon a star..."

                            CS5 MUST be 64 bit native from the ground up.  No 'ports' or 'virtualization' or 'compatibility'.  If you ain't running a 64 bit OS, you can't use Adobe.

                            I obviously have no crystal ball, but I highly doubt that CS5 will be "64-bit native". And for Adobe to preclude a user of 32-bit OS from using their software would be suicidal in a time when they're trying to be taken seriously in the realm of video post-production. John Nack blogged about the sunset of RISC/PowerPC support for the Mac version of Photoshop yesterday (right here), but indicates later in the thread that there's no timeline for the extinction of a 32-bit version of the product. Obviously, Photoshop and Premiere are two different products and two different teams, but I think that that's pretty representative of the state of affairs today.

                             

                            Please note: I hope I'm wrong and I really want to be about most of this. And I'm certainly not trying to portray Adobe as a big, bad corporate machine--if they are or aren't is up for pundits to debate to no real end. Ultimately, I don't care that much. I get my work done just as I'm sure most other people do, without losing sleep over what Adobe is or is not going to do with an upcoming version of the software. That's taking this stuff far too seriously.

                            • 11. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                              Curt Wrigley Level 4

                              Colin Brougham wrote:

                               

                              ... for Adobe to preclude a user of 32-bit OS from using their software would be suicidal in a time when they're trying to be taken seriously in the realm of video post-production.

                              We're getting off topic here, but i cant resit.

                               

                              How would appealing to Professionals by excluding windows XP be suicidal?   Assuming the next version takes a year or so; what pro editer will be running a 32 OS a year from now?

                               

                              I believe the opposit; maintaining 2 versions of everthing on both platforms and maintaing all the integration of the suite would be suicide.  How do you design SW to operate the same with a 3G mem limit vs a more typical 12G, which is becoming pretty common amount of ram in the 64 bit world?

                               

                              I dont have a crystal ball either;  but my vote is for 64bit only.  Focus the engineers on something productive.

                               

                              PR Elements; different story.

                              • 12. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                the_wine_snob Level 9

                                Again, what are the full specs of the files? Maybe PrPro CAN support it.

                                 

                                Good luck,

                                 

                                Hunt

                                • 13. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                  Colin Brougham Level 6

                                  How would appealing to Professionals by excluding windows XP be suicidal?   Assuming the next version takes a year or so; what pro editer will be running a 32 OS a year from now?

                                  I didn't say anything about "professionals" (that's your addition) and I didn't say anything about Windows XP. As far as I'm aware, even Windows 7 will still be available as a 32-bit version. And I would submit that a large percentage--perhaps even a majority, though I have no numbers to back this hunch up--of the installed Premiere Pro user base are not what we would typically classify as "professionals". I quick reading of a cross-section of posts on this very forum should be evidence enough of that. I think the notion of a "video professional" went out the window when desktop video editing software and production equipment became affordable to Every Joe, and I say this as someone who considers himself a "video professional" and tries to make his living as such. The barriers to entry were removed, and for better or worse, Adobe is largely responsible for that--giving Premiere away for free with hardware back in the day, or providing the Creative Suite bundles today, for example. This is why Avid, which was always The Professional's Choice (tm) had to do away with half of their product line and slash the price on their flagship product to an obscenely affordable level. They realized that prestige meant nothing for market share and for profit.

                                   

                                  I don't think Adobe necessarily cares too much about being the professional's choice at this stage of the game, at least not with their video editing product. They want to be as much to as many as possible--there is little benefit in being elite, and a move at this time to a solely 64-bit platform is elitist. They are digital media socialists, at least while they're trying to overtake Avid and Apple. I think of Premiere Pro in its present state as sort of a gateway drug--it may be as hardcore as you need to get, or once you get a taste, you need to move on to something a little more powerful. Look at how Premiere now interfaces with Avid (AAF import/export) and FCP (XML import): it's the digital equivalent of passing the dutchie. Once they've got enough loyalists, I do believe you'll see a move to an all 64-bit platform--but not until everyone's feeling reeeeeeeeally gooooooood.

                                   

                                  Rats. Now you've got me thinking all seriously about this. Somebody pass the chips.

                                  • 14. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                    Curt Wrigley Level 4

                                    You are right about the user demographic.  But Im am optomistic (maybe foolishly so) that Adobe is trying to turn the corner on making PPRO a real PRO ap.   I think 64 bit would be a decent filter; and make it easier for them to get there.

                                    • 15. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                      the_wine_snob Level 9

                                      I'm also anticipating CS5 will be 64-bit. Now, the exact method of getting there, and any possible ramifications of their chosen method, remain to be seen. I calculate that by its introduction, I will be on a new 64-bit system, so I don't care if it is a "ground-up" rewrite and there is no backward 32-bit compatibility. Others will, however. Any one remember the SSE2 instruction set and the number of older AMD owners?

                                       

                                      Hunt

                                      • 16. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                        Colin Brougham Level 6

                                        I should clarify, for the record, that I'm not suggesting that CS5 WON'T be 64-bit. To the contrary, I'm pretty positive it will be; there have been plenty of indications both in the existing software and in talk-talk that that will be the case. However, my gut says that CS5 will be 32-bit/64-bit Hydra, and that it won't be until CS6 when we see a finely tuned, 64-bit-only suite.

                                         

                                        Shortly after that, we'll be entering the debate about when Adobe will port everything over to some phantom 128-bit platform looming on the horizon... sigh. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

                                        • 17. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                          Harm Millaard Level 7
                                          The more things change, the more they stay the same.

                                           

                                          Or, as others have said:

                                           

                                          "The future will be exactly like the past, only far more expensive..."

                                           

                                          The reason is of course:

                                           

                                          "You don't need to take a Civil Service exam in order to work for the Government"

                                          • 18. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                            Jim_Simon Level 8

                                            I would be happy if cs5 was only 64 bit.  Wait; maybe thats what you meant in your last sentence.

                                             

                                            That's precisely what I meant.  One native 64 bit version of the entire suite, every program.  No more 32 bit versions, period.  (Production bundle, at least.  I don't expect that for Acrobat and a few others.)

                                            • 19. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                              Jim_Simon Level 8
                                              I'm not suggesting that CS5 WON'T be 64-bit. To the contrary, I'm pretty positive it will be

                                               

                                              Now that's the stuff.  Put only that out into the universe.  Keep all else hidden in a back corner of your mind (and then forget it's there).

                                              • 20. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                                johngraham123 Level 1

                                                @ the_wine_snob

                                                 

                                                Here are the movie recording specs.

                                                 

                                                Movie Recording System
                                                Recording formatAVI Motion JPEG®
                                                Movie modeHD 1280 x 720 (16:9)
                                                SD 640 x 480 (4:3)
                                                Frame rate30 fps
                                                Compression ratio1/12
                                                Max. file size2 GB
                                                Max. recording time14 min (SD)
                                                7 min (HD)
                                                Sound recordingYes , format: Stereo PCM/16bit, 44.1kHz, WAV
                                                SensitivityISO 160 - 1600
                                                Image Stabilisation ModeElectronical image shifting (Digital IS)

                                                 

                                                Is this what you meant?

                                                 

                                                Thanks

                                                John

                                                • 21. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                                  Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                  Do a search for MainConcept or Morgan MJPEG codecs. One of them will probably allow you to edit that material.

                                                  • 22. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                    Thanks,

                                                     

                                                    Harm has listed the two most popular MJPEG CODEC's. The MainConcept has gotten the highest marks, but the Morgan has been right up there. With either, you are very likely to be able to both Import and also edit in PrPro.

                                                     

                                                    Good luck, and please report with CODEC you go with and how well it works. Be sure to set up your Project/Sequence to match that footage. You can then edit, and Export to whatever your desired format is.

                                                     

                                                    Hunt

                                                    • 23. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                                      johngraham123 Level 1

                                                      Installing the MainConcept codec did not help but installing the Morgan LSI M-JPEG codec worked, great!

                                                       

                                                      Thank you for your help everybody!

                                                       

                                                      Cheers

                                                      John

                                                      • 24. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                                        Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                        After all, it was not so difficult. The problem is more what does the OP (Original Poster) tell us, since all the info we have is what we read. And not everybody is willing to look up the specs of a certain camera. You have to realize that most of us here have a limited number of cameras and there are so many out on the market, that it is almost impossible to know them all. Then if you are relatively new to the forums and have limited experience in how to pose a question with what level of detail to be helped effectively, that makes it even more difficult.

                                                         

                                                        Good to know that the Morgan codec helped you out. Happy editing.

                                                        • 25. Re: Will Adobe Premiere Pro support Olympus E-P1 videos and when?
                                                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                          John,

                                                           

                                                          It's good to hear that all works fine for you. I am a bit surprised that the MainConcept MJPEG CODEC did not do it for you. Until now, it's been 100%. Morgan had one strike against it. Now, they are even!

                                                           

                                                          Good luck,

                                                           

                                                          Hunt