25 Replies Latest reply on Aug 18, 2009 8:45 PM by the_wine_snob

    Help with track matte animation

    Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

      I applied a track matte effect to a clip consisting of 115 frames. My problem is that the part that I want be visible changes position. Do I really have to set the motion effect of the track matte manually or there is a quicker method to do this? Is it possible to move the track matter while playing back?

      Here's what I am doing. I want both of them always centered on circle.

      Capture-1.jpg

        • 1. Re: Help with track matte animation
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          Keyframing the motion/position effect of the matte is the only way.

          • 2. Re: Help with track matte animation
            the_wine_snob Level 9

            In PrPro, that is the only way, but not that tough. In AE, one could use Motion Tracker to do much of the work, but with 115 Frames, it would not be worth it to me.

             

            Just expand the Effects Control Panel and twirl down/open the Motion>Position with your Track Matte Clip selected. Go to the first Frame and add the initial Keyframe. Go to the end of the Clip (make sure you are at the end of that Clip and not Frame 1 of the next - important). Add your final Keyframe there. Adjust the Motion>Position, as is needed, for those two Keyframes. Then step through at maybe 10 Frame increments and check. Adjust as is necessary. This will automatically add the necessary Keyframes.

             

            When done, Rt-click slightly away from the Keyframes, but in the Effects Control Panel and choose Select All. Now Rt-click on one of the selected Keyframes and choose Continuous Bezier to keep the flow of Keyframes smooth. Check and adjust any Keyframe that might still be off. Done!

             

            Good luck,

             

            Hunt

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            • 3. Re: Help with track matte animation
              Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

              Thank you, Hunt. I'm sorry I forgot to notify everybody that I already learned how to do it yesterday. Actually I was just so overwhelmed by my own perception that what I wanted to do would take me to tracking every change of position of each frame and then adjust the position of the matte 115 times. I discovered it wasn't as strenuous as I thought. Like what you said, I did put keyframes in every major change in position of the portion I was tracking and thereon set the position of the track matte. Of course, the keyframes are usually non-contiguous. What I was worrying yesterday were the gaps between keyframes. But when I tried to experiment what was on my mind, I discovered it is the PrPro who does the arithmetic.

               

              Know, Hunt, I know still have a lot to learn. But I think I'm learning a lot.

              • 4. Re: Help with track matte animation
                the_wine_snob Level 9

                The "beauty" of Keyframing is that if you get the main ones, where you want them, then PrPro will "fill in the gaps," between them. When it doesn't do so perfectly, just add another in that "gap."

                 

                It's really like creating a Path in PS with the Pen tool. You are basically creating "Keyframes" there, and then using the Bezier Handles to shape things. Where needed, you just add another point and adjust it. You do not need a point for every possible location, just the main ones. Same with Keyframes. I start with just the ones that I "think" I will need, and then add more, where the perfect alignment is off a bit.

                 

                If you motion is at all linear, I'd guess that you could get by with about 5 on a 115 Frame segment. The less linear that things are, the more you will need.

                 

                Good luck, and also check out the Bezier settings for your Keyframes. For what you are doing, I ususally find Continuous Bezier to be the best - at least as a starting point.

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: Help with track matte animation
                  Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                  You're very correct on that, Hunt. What appeared to me as a tough job turned to be an addictive vise that will surely make me hate myself if I don't put some constraints on it, limiting to what's is just necessary and appropriate in every situation.

                   

                  By the way, Hunt, off the record (i.e. not intended for everybody in the forum that will unnecessarily spare parcel of their time). I posted lately about my problem with the Panasonic PV-GS85 my pc without having a firewire to import its tape to PrPro. Somebody in the community said that as far as they know, my mobo motherboard has a "built-in firewire port in it...". Why in the first did they know that my pc has that model of motherboard? And my pc, I just assembled it myself from parts I thought will yield to me a better machine. If someone can give me listings on what devices to use that will fit to my video editing with PrPro I will really appreciate that.

                  • 6. Re: Help with track matte animation
                    Harm Millaard Level 7

                    I have read that reply as well and it makes the assumption first that you are using a LGA775 mobo and second that that mobo does indeed contain on-board firewire. I'm not sure these assumptions are correct. IIRC you mentioned using a P4. In that case it is not automatically a LGA775 board, it could also be a LGA478 board. If the latter, then assuming a firewire on-board is probably wrong in quite a number of cases.

                     

                    If someone can give me listings on what devices to use that will fit to my video editing with PrPro I will really appreciate that.

                     

                    That is a nearly impossible task without knowing far more about you, your current setup, your workflow, your projects and your budget.

                     

                    Maybe these guides can help you steer in the right direction and get some ideas: How to get the best from a PC? Some guides...

                    • 7. Re: Help with track matte animation
                      Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                      Thanks for the reply, Millaard and, oh, I'm really very, very sorry I misspelled your last name in my previous posts but now I made it sure I typed it correctly. Regarding knowing more about me, maybe we can start in my name. It's my personality that I really hate. I'm a Tiger in the sense that I really want to know anything that may come accross with my interest. The Lame part: I'm often lazy and/or lacking of self-determination to know it first through my own and I easily seek for other's help without first exhausting all of the way that I can. Right now, although video editting is becoming my main hobby, I still do a lot of things like music remixing, writing/creating my own music, layouting newsletters & broadsheets, programming, doing tutorials, etc. Usually, getting to know each other deeper comes as we get along.

                      • 8. Re: Help with track matte animation
                        Harm Millaard Level 7

                        Lucky for me, or maybe not, that I didn't mistake you for Tiger, as in Woods.

                         

                        No problem about misspelling my last name, I'm used to that and luckily for me Bill uses that misspelled name when visiting sites where we both would not like to be seen.

                         

                        As to your question about hardware, have a look around on the Hardware forum. There may be some interesting posts for you, not only the Guides I pointed you to, but some others as well. I just happen to be slightly informed (at least I assume I am) about system setup and components and have been spilling some of my limited knowledge around for others to profit from.

                        • 9. Re: Help with track matte animation
                          the_wine_snob Level 9
                          I posted lately about my problem with the Panasonic PV-GS85 my pc without having a firewire to import its tape to PrPro. Somebody in the community said that as far as they know, my mobo motherboard has a "built-in firewire port in it...". Why in the first did they know that my pc has that model of motherboard?

                           

                          I have no clue how they could know your MoBo. Now, whether it has a FW port, isn't necessarily a big deal. If you do not have one, you can add a card to get them. Go for a multi-chip card, if possible, and when you plug in your camera, do NOT plug other things into that card.

                           

                          Good luck, and glad you had "fun" with the Keyframes. I feel the same way, but then I am a "control freak," and want everything to be at my direction.

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: Help with track matte animation
                            the_wine_snob Level 9
                            Thanks for the reply, Millaard and, oh, I'm really very, very sorry I misspelled your last name in my previous posts but now I made it sure I typed it correctly

                             

                            Do not worry too much. Even when I have given attribution to Harm for his vast contributions, I have forgotten that extra "A." When I signed up for some risque porn sites recently, I forgot and spelled his name wrong!!!!

                             

                             

                             

                            Hunt

                            • 11. Re: Help with track matte animation
                              the_wine_snob Level 9
                              the Guides I pointed you to, but some others as well

                               

                              Lame Tiger,

                               

                              I do strongly urge you to look at Harm's links and take them closely to heart. Besides being well-written, they cover so very much, that will help anyone with NLE work.

                               

                              Good luck,

                               

                              Hunt

                               

                              PS - if you sign up for questionable Web sites, it's spelled MillAArd.

                               

                               

                              • 12. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                                That's for sure, Bill, because we're planning a total upgrade here. Between branded PCs and self-assembled ones, we always prefer the latter because we can select the devices that we think are better and suits to our needs. Of course, we may be wrong on our judgement of these stuffs so we're always looking for some guides.

                                 

                                Just a not-so-related question: "BTW" and "IIRC", what do they mean? Sorry, I'm not a computer geek. Or perhaps, my vocabulary is outdated (ain't it obvious?).

                                • 13. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                                  Oops, sorry.

                                   

                                  BTW = By the way

                                   

                                  IIRC = If I recall correctly

                                   

                                  Both are Internet and e-mail "slang," or shorthand. As shorthand is discouraged here, I should not have used them.

                                   

                                  For the specs. on any new machine, I would print out Harm's articles and read over them several times. If you have any questions, the Hardware sub-forum would be a great place to pose them in a separate post. Specs. change monthly, so what Harm recommended today might not be the hot-ticket next month. He would know, however and can easily direct you correctly. Trust him and believe in his recs.. If they change, he'll update you and correctly.

                                   

                                  Hunt

                                  • 14. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                    Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                                    Is that all?! OMG, I thought I was in some trouble with technical terms.

                                    • 15. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                      the_wine_snob Level 9
                                      OMG, I thought I was in some trouble with technical terms.

                                       

                                      You done "broke the code!" That is all that it was. Still, I should have made it clear.

                                       

                                      Good luck,

                                       

                                      Hunt

                                      • 16. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                        Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                                        Sorry, Hunt. Don't worry, it's all I have and sure no more is coming.

                                        • 17. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                                          I do not think that I have posted these links into this thread, but if so, just ignore.

                                           

                                          This is a great TUTORIAL by Curt Wrigley on using Track Matte Keying. Depending on what you want to do, you may have to interpolate a bit, but it's worth bookmarking.

                                           

                                          Here is a TUTORIAL ARTICLE on following a moving object with Track Matte Keying Effect - no AV file, just text. Again, you may have interpolate a bit, depending on what you need.

                                           

                                          Might be of use now, or later.

                                           

                                          Good luck,

                                           

                                          Hunt

                                          • 18. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                            Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                                            Hah, you woke me up, Bill. What time is it now in your country? Here in the Philippines, it is now 1:50 AM but I'm still working with my video because my friend will picking this up this morning. Thanks for the links. It will be very useful for me as I dig deeper.

                                            • 19. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                              the_wine_snob Level 9

                                              I understand pulling those "all-nighters." Back in my still image manipulation days, I did many to greet the courier, who was coming to pick up the SyQuest disk to go to the designer, or printer. Hey, it was only 9:30AM AZT here in the States, though I did start pretty early this AM with the Adobe fora.

                                               

                                              Good luck, and hope the Project works as you dreamed that it would.

                                               

                                              Hunt

                                              • 20. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                                Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                                                Afternoon, Bill. It's 8:00 AM here, I'm just finished reading your email and on my calculation based on it, it's nearly evening there in the US. There's nothing really relevant today, I just want to tell you I'm doing my daily morning refreshing: a cup of sugar-less black coffee with its perfect pair, cigarettes. I'm now in front of my pc and I'm thinking how to do a zooming out collage of video clips. That's the way I want to end my project.

                                                • 21. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                  OK, tell me more about that collage of images. There is probably a good way to do what you want. The more detail on the Assets, and what you wish to accomplish will help. You could be talking about a "photo wall," or something else.

                                                   

                                                  Good evening,

                                                   

                                                  Hunt

                                                  • 22. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                                    Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                                                    I will be using the same mpg video clips I used in my entire project (audio exluded), zoomed out to 12.5% so that there will 64 tiles of videos at the end in the whole screen which frame size is  4:3.

                                                    • 23. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                                      David Zeno Level 1

                                                      If you, one day, get into a lot more work that needs advanced tracking, you should look at a program called "Mocha" check on CreativeCow.net, there is a guy there that does tutorials, and did an awesome one with this program, I think it is an addon for AE ? , not too sure, but it looks amazing.

                                                       

                                                      and 2 mins later, I have found that tutorial.  It's called the "corner pin effect" the gentleman will show you how powerful this program is.  It really is worth watching, although my head was spinning while watching, as it was over my head.

                                                       

                                                      http://library.creativecow.net/articles/rabinowitz_aharon/Mocha_Tut_1.php

                                                       

                                                      Dave.

                                                      • 24. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                                        Lame Tigrrrr Level 1

                                                        Well taken, David, you just added more valuables in my resources which I don't have much. Actually, I started using PrPro from scratch (if you could have time scanning my posts in this forum, I just stared using premiere the first time I created my very first thread, I think it was August 3, the same date I joined Adobe forums), without any idea on how to use it, no prior tutorials or readings but only the simple knowledge that Premiere is a software used for video editing. I know there are still a lot of help coming, but at this very moment, I want to say to all of you guys, I am very, very much thankful.

                                                        • 25. Re: Help with track matte animation
                                                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                          Not a problem. The Adobe fora are here to help fellow-users get the most out of the software. Help can come from many different quarters, but usually does come.

                                                           

                                                          Wish I had an answer for one of your other questions, but cannot come with anything of use.

                                                           

                                                          Good luck,

                                                           

                                                          Hunt