12 Replies Latest reply on Aug 22, 2009 6:42 PM by PaulieDC

    Editing Machine - Harm?

    tclark513 Level 3

      Harm or anybody else who might find it interesting or helpful,

       

      Here is an interesting article on building a new machine for editing.

       

      http://www.videoguys.com/Guide/E/Videoguys+DIY7+Intel+Core+i7+with+Vista+64/0xe07f65920351 fbf3ed8f9892355dfda0.aspx

        • 1. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          Interesting article and it contains a lot of useful information, but there are several remarks I want to make.

           

          On the case, while the selected case is good, it has the drawback of being only a mid-size case, which in the future may lead to space problems. I would prefer a full-size tower for better airflow and more expansion room.

           

          For the price I would much prefer a consumer oriented video card like the ATI HD48xx or nVidia GTX2xx, with a preference for the former. There are too many stories about mediocre performance of the Quadro series, negative impact on the PCI-e bus and no positive performance gain to warrant the price difference with more consumer oriented cards.

           

          The G-Tech has a sexy look, but also the price of a very sexy hooker. Way too much for what it offers. I prefer a full-size tower with some internals instead and it saves quite a few $$.

           

          One may argue about the choice of memory, since they opted for DDR-12800 memory, where DDR3-10600 is more than enough for the i7-920, even OC'ed to 3.6 GHz.

           

          I miss attention to cooling, which is often crucial when we run encoding sessions for hours at nearly 100% load.

           

          In general a nice article, but I would choose slightly different  components. Of course, it depends very much on price and availability and these change almost every day...

           

          Thanks for bringing this to our attention, a worthwhile read for a lot of people, and consider that Videoguys do not sell these systems or components. Gary has made it absolutely clear that this is a SERVICE to their customers and these systems are used internally at Videoguys to test the materials they do sell, like Matrox, GV/Canopus and all the NLE software.

          • 2. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
            PaulieDC Level 2

            I agree on the case. I got the Antec 1200 which is the case you see only a foot higher.   The extra room means more fans, better airflow, and ease of maneuvering around in the case when building or modifying. Since you don't often move a video rig like gamers at a lan party, the huge case is not a problem. The other nicety is that most any cooler and video card will fit in the 1200.

             

            Just two other things I would change:

            1) The boot drive should be the WD 300GB 10K Raptor for an extra $100. Some may say it's not that much of a gain, but mine seems blazing fast (having the i7 doesn't hurt either). The 300GB isn't "too small" if anyone's thinking that because you're only putting your OS and Adobe suite on there, RIGHT?? I still have 220GB leftover on mine. What will 1TB do, except waste 850GB of space. Granted, it does keep your bits close to the spindle on a 1TB drive for added performance. I just like the Raptor! I use a 750GB Caviar Black to hold the media I'm editing, and then I write the project to a 500GB eSata external laCie drive when encoding. Three drive "sections" (whatever drives you choose) do help the encoding process. One day I'll use a RAID set for assets the write to the 750GB, but I'm still recovering from the purchase of the i7 rig, Production Premium CS4 and the Canon 5D Mark II. Can you say "bagged lunch" for the next 49 months??

             

            2) The PNY Quadro series of Nvidia cards are quite expensive and employ the CUDA technology, but for them to give you any added gain for editing they must be used with a utility called Elemental Accelerator. That does come bundled with the cards as of two weeks ago (was $499), but even so the whole package is quite pricey. The 1700 is pretty low-end power-wise. PNY suggests at least the 3800 for editing (along with the Accelerator), which costs $969. It supposedly gives you blazing encoding times, up to 11x faster (in theory, but USB 2.0 is supposed to do 480mb/sec also... ). You can read about it all here:

             

            http://www3.pny.com/MarketingPromotions/ElementalAccelerator.aspx?Category_ID=393

             

            NOW, here's the gotcha: That $969 FX3800 card is the same as the $154.00 (with rebate) EVGA GTX260 Core 216 except that the 3800 only has 192 cores. PLUS, the 260 actually has the CUDA technology, but you can't leverage it! You can't use that Accelerator utility with the 216 because Nvidia didn't license PNY to do that, so you must spend $1000 or more for the performance. Yuk.

             

            I say go with Harm's advice on the video card and save some bucks for more drives. I use the GTX 260 and it works very well. That Accelerator thing does save time, but if you work your process correctly, you can set up to encode while out grocery shopping or mowing the lawn or sleeping. If your budget is limitless, great, have a go at the Quadro series, but that's a lot of pasta for a video card of that power range.

             

            Oy vey, did I blab on that much? See ya! Have fun with your build, whenever that is...

            • 3. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              What I have

              Win 7 Pro 64bit
              Case = Cooler Master Scout
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119196
              PS = Corsair 850w
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009

               

              Current plan to buy
              12Gig Ram - Crucial 1066
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148246
              Intel i7 CPU
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
              Asus P6 SE
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131386
              320Gig SATA drive x2
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098
              1-T SATA drive
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
              Cooler Master Case Fan x2
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999072
              Scythe Mugen SCMG-2000 CPU Cooler
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185093
              ATI video card to be determined
              Model 4890 IF CS5 uses the GPU, lower model if not

               

              320Gig drive for boot and software
              320Gig drive for scratch disk
              1-T drive for data files

               

              IF I ever start HD editing, I would buy a 2nd 1-T drive for Raid

              • 4. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                Jim_Simon Level 9

                Check this out, John.

                 

                "ASUS has introduced the ASUS P7P55D Series motherboards with the latest processing core and a new design to deliver overclocking, better cooling, improved power efficiency, and one of the fastest memory booting."

                 

                http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=25814

                • 5. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                  John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Jim... Thanks, I will Google that, as well as visiting the Asus site to read up on CPU and memory support

                   

                  Googled, and not what I want

                   

                  Says DDR3 memory, but has "2 channels with 4 slots" so it is really up to 8Gig of DDR2 memory

                   

                  I'll stick with the P6, at least for now and unless something better comes along that really does use DDR3 memory for 12Gig

                  • 6. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                    Jim_Simon Level 9

                    You're right.  I didn't look close enough myself.

                    • 7. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                      The designation P55 in the name should have warned you that this is the new range of mobo's for the i5, not the i7, which uses the X58 chipset.

                       

                      Other than the change in CPU socket and the return of 4 DIMM sockets and thus DDR2, the most noteworthy difference is the abandonment of QPI.

                       

                      The QPI or Quick Path Interface was one of the major improvements in memory thruput with the i7 and the i5 does not support that.

                      • 8. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                        PaulieDC Level 2

                        John, I just re-read and realized you ARE using a 320GB for the boot drive, I missed that. Not sure if you should use the Blue series for boot drive though, aren't they the bargain model?

                        • 9. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                          Jim_Simon Level 9

                          "The P7P55D Series features a wide range of models including the P7P55D Deluxe with 10-channel audio and DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC support, and the P7P55D Premium with the first hybrid 32-phase power delivery and the latest SATA 6Gb/s storage interface."

                           

                          I saw that, it sounded good.  Like an upgrade to the chipset.  The article didn't really go over the step-down aspects.

                          • 10. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                            Harm Millaard Level 7
                            I saw that, it sounded good.  Like an upgrade to the chipset.  The article didn't really go over the step-down aspects.

                             

                            Your long time experience with Adobe should have made this obvious. It is called Marketing.

                             

                            The basic rule in Marketing is to exaggerate new features and keep your mouth shut about the downsides. Only tell people what they like to hear. Adobe has been doing that for ages, like any marketing oriented company does. It is up to us, consumers, to see through all the hype. The media are at fault here too, in that they seem to accept every story told them, without a critical look at the reality beneath it.

                            • 11. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              PaulieDC wrote:

                               

                              John, I just re-read and realized you ARE using a 320GB for the boot drive, I missed that. Not sure if you should use the Blue series for boot drive though, aren't they the bargain model?

                              Right now it is not "are"... it is WILL use, when CS5 is released and I fine tune my list of components (such as ATI 4890 if CS5 uses the GPU, a lesser model if not)

                               

                              For me, a 10kRpm model is overkill, so I'll go with a 7200Rpm model with a large cache

                               

                              I figure once I allocate 10% to Win2k for the Dv500 and the other 90% to Win7 64bit I shouldn't have to worry about OS and software space

                              • 12. Re: Editing Machine - Harm?
                                PaulieDC Level 2

                                That'll work!