13 Replies Latest reply on Sep 21, 2009 6:39 AM by Mortimer IOU

    HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2

    EsotericTT@aol.com Level 1

      I have been working with my CS2 Premiere to create some auto play high definition, audio-only DVDs that are autoplay.  To clear the air, yes I know that CS4 will permit 24bit-96 kHz.  For the time being 16 bit-48 kHz, is still better (marginally) than CD, but it permits greater playing times.  Yes, I know that the autoplay without menues "feature" is bogus, and was never corrected by Adobe.  So much for their interest in their customers.

       

      I found a simple workaround for the autoplay/no menues feature.  Just make a DVD-RW with menues.  Then use DVD-DeCryper/Shrink/Nero - whatever to make an autoplay DVD onto a permanent disc.  It works well.

       

      Here is my latest crazy problem: How to get really long playing time.  I know I can make high qualitye DVD-A's up to 3 hours using Minatonka Bronze.  Unfortunately, DVD-A discs are worthless as they cannot play in 90% of DVD players, but they prove the time point.

       

      I have three 48 kHz files that I created in Adobe Audion.  The were 1.599, 0.911, and 0.974 GBs in size.  That added up to 3.480.  The playing time is about 2:30 Hours; quite a bit less than 3 hours.   I tried burning a DVD with these, audio-files-only.  I checked lowest quality video, used no video, and got an Export To DVD error that I had "insufficient" space on the 4.7 GB disc!  So, I used the two latter files, which added to only 1.884 GB.  Premiere did not baulk, and it successfully burned a DVD that played.  Then I added the 1.599 GB file, and, once again, it produced an error.  This was clearly not going to work.

       

      At this point, I realized that Audition had done what it liked to do: It had saved the 16 bit-48 kHz files as 32 bit-48 kHz!  So, I went back to Audition and used EDIT to change the files to genuine 16 bit-48 kHz files.  When I opened them in Premiere, Premiere reported 16 bit-48 kHz files.  Their sizes were now, 0.799, 0.456, and 0.487 GB.  Please note that this totals 1.742 GB.  This is less than the 1.884 GB I had successfully used before.   Once again, I was getting the "inssufficient" space error.  This is nuts.  The disc can hold 4.3+ GB, but won't fit 1.742.GB.

       

      So, anybody got some ideas?

       

      Mike

        • 1. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
          Jim_Simon Level 8
          For the time being 16 bit-48 kHz, is still better (marginally) than CD

           

          You won't like it but, I would argue against that claim and suggest making CDs out of Audition.

          • 2. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
            EsotericTT@aol.com Level 1

            My purpose was to get an answer to my problem, not to engabe in esoteric arguments.  One cannot logically argue that 16/48 is not marginally better than 16/44.  What's the point?  It's simple arithmetic.  Doing what you suggest would take 3 CDs, not 1 DVD.  The question was put not to argue in favor of any particular bit rate, but to make one disc of CD equivalent quality instead of three.  It is that simple.  A future step will be to make 24/96 DVDs of similar projects, but they will obviously take more discs.  Such discs have been marketed for the last 5 years by some audiophile companies.

             

            If you can suggest why I can burn a DVD with a total of 1.8 GBs in files, but not with 1.7 GBs total files, that would be useful.  Better yet, if you can suggest why a 4.7 GB blank is too small for a 1.7 GB file, that would be quite useful.

             

            Mike

            • 3. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
              Jim_Simon Level 8

              My purpose was to get an answer to my problem, not to engabe in esoteric arguments.

               

              Ah, but in this case, your 'problem' exists because of an esoteric argument.

               

              One cannot logically argue that 16/48 is not marginally better than 16/44.

               

              I can, and would.

               

              It's simple arithmetic.

               

              Audio reproduction is about far more than 'simple' arithmetic.  Theoretical advantages, especially one's so small, rarely translate into real world perceptible differences.  Very, very few people can hear above 20 kHz, and fewer still would notice any significant difference between an upper limit of 22 and 24 kHz in their music.

               

              The question was put not to argue in favor of any particular bit rate, but to make one disc of CD equivalent quality instead of three.

               

              Then you're argument is with the millions of 'sheep' who chose the convenience of .mp3 over the many advantages of DVD-A (including longer playing times), thus bringing the former into popularity and the later into obscurity.  (That's an argument I share with you, by the way.  Discrete multichannel music mixes should be the norm by now, and every disk playback device should be able to handle DVD-A by default.)

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              • 4. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                EsotericTT@aol.com Level 1

                Jim,

                 

                I cannot believe you are wasting my time and the space of this forum with your irrelevances.  It would have been better had you just tried to answer my question, which is the purpose of these forums.  Why engage in useless chatter?

                 

                I said nothing about any great sonic difference betweein 16/48 and 16/44 digital audio; I said "marginally."   In English that means very little difference.  I'm not going to prove to you with distortion and frequency response plots that there is some minor difference, it is a fact of life.  You, in fact, just stated a difference.  The difference between a 24 kHz cutoff and a 22 kHz custoff  is a difference which you give, to back up your absurd statement that there is no difference.  This can actually translate to a minor, difference in THD at higher audio frequencies, but who cares?   Well, you apparently care, because your beligerant non-reply to my question was that "fewer...would notice ."  In English that means that some would notice.

                 

                What my question had to do with MP3 junk, or multichannel sound, I don't know.  Why should I do, as you suggest, and make DVD-A's when one needs only stereo?  This is a Premier forum, not a DVD-A forum.  Why not bother DVD-A junkies on Minatonka fourms?  DVDs can handle stereo PCM very nicely.  Classic Audio has marketed their 24/96 DADs for many years and so have a few other companies.   They have been well received by some "golden eared" types.  I hope they don't upset you.  There is a good possibility that DVD may only be around as a "legacy" feature on BLU RAY in future years.  DVD-A was DOA years ago and SACD may go just away; DVD-A is almost that.  So, PCM stereo sound DVD's are a good bet that the resultant disc will be playable on many people's players as well as future players.  The longer playing time that may be available would make listening to concerts easier, rather than breaking them up into segments.

                 

                If you want to argue my motives, or tastes, I suggest you go to another forum and discuss you theories.  If you actually have something productive to say about the problem I pointed out, that would be welcome.

                 

                Mike

                • 5. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                  Jim_Simon Level 8

                  I cannot believe you are wasting my time and the space of this forum with your irrelevances.

                   

                  Hey man.  I started out by saying you wouldn't like my answer.

                   

                  It would have been better had you just tried to answer my question

                   

                  I did.  Make 3 CDs.  That's my answer.  I know it's not the one you want, but sometimes people come here wanting things they just can't have.

                   

                  back up your absurd statement that there is no difference.

                   

                  I said "appreciable" difference.  And I stand by that for the overwhelming majority of people.

                   

                  In English that means that some would notice

                   

                  Fair enough.  But those "some" are very likely to have DVD-A capabilities, so if they're your target audience, go ahead and make DVD-A disks for them.  If the vast majority who can't tell any difference are your target audience, I stand my my solution to just make them CDs.

                  • 6. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                    EsotericTT@aol.com Level 1

                    The absurdities continue.  Why would anyone want to make almost universally unusable DVD-A dics when in stereo they offer no benfit over standard PCM DVDs?  Both can even offer 24/96 resolutions if desired.

                     

                    [Irrelevant personal comments deleted by forum host]

                    • 7. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                      the_wine_snob Level 9

                      Do you have Adobe Encore? If so, post your question to the Encore forum. Neil Wilkes, the resident Encore Audio-guru, will instruct you with every aspect of production. This is what he does every day.

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

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                      • 8. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                        Jim_Simon Level 8

                        I don't think he's using Encore, Bill.

                        • 9. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                          Jim,

                           

                          So far, it looks as though the OP is not using Encore. My question was whether he had it, as a possibility. PrPro has limited DVD authoring capabilities. If he does not have it available, then my suggestion will be moot, and it will be a workaround with PrPro.

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                            Jim_Simon Level 8

                            Agreed.  That's why I suggested he make CDs.

                            • 11. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                              the_wine_snob Level 9

                              Jim,

                               

                              Without Encore, or similar, I will quickly climb aboard that wagon.

                               

                              Since Neil does similar (though often with Encore), I thought that he would have some great info to add - whether DVD, or CD.

                               

                              Trying to force PrPro 2.0 to do it, will be a bit of a workaround, and the results might well be compromised as a result.

                               

                              Here's hoping that the OP will take your advice, or can utilize mine. Either way, he will likely be ahead with the final product.

                               

                              Wishing good luck to all,

                               

                              Hunt

                              • 12. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                                EsotericTT@aol.com Level 1

                                I thought I shut this thing off by clicking on "Answered."  To my surprise, it has a life of its own.  Yep, I have Encore.  Going thru it I could not find anything useful, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place or reading Adobe's manual.  I could only find references to PCM audio in Premiere, not Encore, and the Premiere results were useful.  I just could not get past what looks like a 119 minute brick wall.  Per your advice, I actually posted on the Encore forum some time ago, but never got any replies.  At least nobody suggested I cut 78s!

                                 

                                Mike

                                • 13. Re: HOW TO MAKE A HIGH DEFINITION AUDIO DVD WITH PREMIERE CS2
                                  Mortimer IOU Level 2

                                  It seems that clicking "answered" does not, unfortunately, automatically lock a thread to further posts. I have locked it now in response to your stated desire, and before anyone does suggest you cut vinyl