9 Replies Latest reply on Oct 9, 2009 8:00 AM by hadrianus@hispeed.ch

    Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....

    thomhu

      I finished making my first video in Prem. Elements 7. It's a 4 min long series of about 25 short clips with a few transitions and effects and cuts. I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 w/ 4 gigs of ram with Vista. I did a complete clean out of old programs, defraged hard drive, cleanup using cccleaner, turned off windows defender and all that junk, turned off screen saver, changed settings in control panel to optimum performance with no visual effects, turned off every available extra program through msconfig at startup, and shut down any non critical stuff in task manager. I still get the "running low on memory" message after a few minutes of playback or light editing and then a program shut down.

       

      I requested help from Adobe and to their credit, they did answer promptly with suggestions about several possibilities including finding a bad or oversized clip or photo and eliminate it and many other things that did not work.

       

      So I reverted to the old physical tape and splice magnetic tape days and split the project into 2 files. I exported each half to an avi dv file and it didn't crash in the process. Then I spliced the two mixdowns back together in a new project to make the one complete project.

       

      I say all that to perhaps help someone in the same situation. So I think I've come up with the work around BUT....I've put two avi dv files (compressed I'm guessing) into a new project and when I export again to make a full length file, will the new file be doubly compressed losing quality from going through the process twice?

       

      I'm using a Sanyo Exacti FH1 which has a default resolution of 1920 x 1080 60field/s - which I need to understand better. mpeg 4 files. I'm guessing if I use a lower resolution, Premier should be happier and not have to work so hard? 

       

      Thanks for your time,

       

      Thom

        • 1. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
          the_wine_snob Level 9

          Thom,

           

          You have done well. Two more things to talk about. The first, and you have probably taken care of this, but I'd like for you to look at this ARTICLE.

           

          The next thing to think about is your Windows Virtual Memory, and also you I/O sub-system, i.e. your HDD's, their size, speed, controller type and how they are allocated. For the first, you will need to tell us about your Page File, how it's managed and where it's located. This is part of your system's memory. The second can possibly tie into this, or maybe not.

           

          Please report and welcome to the forum.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
            A.T. Romano Level 7

            Thom

             

            Based on your camcorder specifications, your camcorder is recording AVCHD (video codec MPEG-4 AVC/H.264); audio Stereo, probably Dolby Digital compression). The file extension is probably .mp4 and you appear to be recording to a memory card. Your HD options seems to be:

             

            Full HR, 1920 x 1080 at 60 frames per second, 1080p (progressive video)

            Full HD, 1920 x 1080 at 60 fields per second (30 frames per second), so this would be 1080i (interlaced video) 16 Mbps.

            Full SHQ 1920 x 1080 at 30 frames per second, I am assuming 1080p (progressive video).

             

            I have found that you can bring and edit the 1080p into Premiere Elements with the 1080i project preset, but the party line is that Premiere Elements does not export 1080p. In a current thread I have been discussing some ideas on that subject. More on that another time.

             

            There is an HD-SHQ setting for 1280 x 720 at 30 frames per second, 720p (progressive video). Have you tried that as an alternative?


            Am I understanding you correctly that you are using the 1920 x 1080 at 60 fields per second (30 frames per second) in the workflow that you have described in this thread?

             

            Have you looked at the proxy editing FAQ in the FAQ section of this forum. I believe that the concept was originally contributed by a very talented and inventive user named Robert Johnston. That FAQ should of interest for Premiere Elements 7, but please do not attempt to use it for Premiere Elements 8 (more on that later).

             

            I admire your determination in getting your project completed. I too spend a great deal of time planning strategy to try to beat the computer resources/Premiere Elements issues.

             

            ATR

            • 3. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
              thomhu Level 1

              Hi Hunt,

               

                  Thanks for the info. I was looking for something exactly like enditall2 which looks like has changed to taskpower3. But I imagine enditall2 is probably smaller, cleaner, and meaner. 

               

                 I've attached a pic of my paging file window. I thought that might be related. Notice that it says the recommended size is bigger than the actual size. And managed by windows. So windows is recommended to itself that.....ok I won't go into windows logic complaints....

               

              I unchecked the box that said "Let Windows manage..." and I put in (as a total guess) 1000 for the minimum and 5000 for the max. Didn't change performance.

               

              How about the thing of exporting and then re-exporting avi dv files. Does it degrade the quality? This is not real film making - just a lot of casual family type clips but I would like it to be as good a picture quality as is easily obtainable.

               

               

              -Thom

              • 4. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
                thomhu Level 1

                Hi ATR,

                 

                    You are right on the specs. There are no docs in my cameral lit about these different video modes and what their best use is. Is there a topic or link that would discuss it?

                 

                I have started using the 1280 x 720 setting and I can't tell any difference in video quality. Seems to not use as much memory in Elements when editing.....

                 

                I'll check out the proxy edit posts (and learn what that is!)

                 

                Funny you should mention the 1080 import/export as I was reading some of your past posts on that.

                 

                I'm beginning to  realize that clear video has more to do with lighting, distance,  and lenses than with video mode settings........

                 

                How about exporting to avi dv, reusing and exporting again. Degrade the quality in a noticeable way?

                 

                Thanks for your help!,

                 

                -Thom

                • 5. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                  Thom,

                   

                  Thank you for the screen-cap. It says a lot.

                   

                  I use a static Page File of roughly 2.5x my physical RAM. I tried locating it onto my D:\ (I have 3x 200GB SATA II's on this laptop), and it did not improve performance that I could benchmark. It is back on my C:\.

                   

                  Now, in my case, I have my physical HDD's set up this way:

                   

                  C:\ OS, programs and Page File - only

                  D:\ media

                  E:\ Projects and Scratch Disks

                   

                  The reasons for setting up a static Page File are:

                   

                  1.) the OS writes it completely, upon boot, and as I defrag my drivers about every other day, or more often, when doing a lot of editing, it's in about the same spot always, and it's easier to do the defrag.

                   

                  2.) the OS does not need to worry about dynamically managing the Page File, as the usage goes up and down, so it takes less time and fewer CPU cycles to manage.

                   

                  Now, I see that you also have a partition. In your case, it appears to be set up to provide you with a backup of your OS, hence the name [Recovery]. I'd guess that this was done by the mfgr., in lieu of a recovery boot disk. Normally, I'd recommend against any partition, but yours is not really being used for anything but a repository of your OS for recovery. I would suggest leaving it completely alone, and just letting it sit there, untouched, in case of an emergency.

                   

                  For NLE work, I suggest a minimum I/O (HDD's) setup like mine above. This allows the OS and programs, plus Page File to have free run of C:\, allows the OS and programs to have easy access to your media Assets on a separate physical HDD, and then for your progam to have easy access to the Project(s) and their Scratch Disks. The only bottleneck is your HDD controller, but with ATA-100/300, or SATA II, this is not much of a bottleneck.

                   

                  When everything is on one physical HDD, you can see that the heads are very busy getting reads/writes from/to those platters. Everything is trying to happen at once. This does become a bottleneck.

                   

                  Good luck,

                   

                  Hunt

                  • 6. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
                    the_wine_snob Level 9
                    I'm beginning to  realize that clear video has more to do with lighting, distance,  and lenses than with video mode settings........

                     

                     

                    This is a great observation, and one that too few make. Going way back, it was always easy for me to tell video from film. Mostly because the videographers used lighting to just get adequate levels, and little more. Oh, there are technical differences between the two media, but the most obvious differences were in lighting techniques. Now, many have learned the lessons from lighting for film (and stills), and it boils down to those still present technical differences. Many videographers are going for the lower DOF (Depth Of Field) with lenses designed to give more of a "film look." They are exploring shutter angle/frame rates that get more of that film look. Some cameras are even reworking their sensors to achieve more of it too. You have learned these things much more quickly, than most. You will benefit greatly from it.

                     

                     

                    How about exporting to avi dv, reusing and exporting again. Degrade the quality in a noticeable way?

                     

                    With SD material (important), going to DV-AVI Type II, and then outputting to DV-AVI Type II will degrade the image, though very slightly. You can measure it, but most can never see it, and that's the important part. If I have to use an intermediate Export, say for transfer to AfterEffects, or to some other similar program, I will use a CODEC, like Lagarith, which is lossless, but for most work, the DV-AVI Type II to DV-AVI Type II is more than adequate. I've looked closely at using AVI [Uncompressed], and the differences are so slight as to make the giant files not worth the effort, at least not for me.

                     

                    Good luck, and I'm glad that ATR is working with you on the HD stuff. That is not something that I work with and have little experience in - maybe by next year?

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
                      thomhu Level 1

                      Hi Hunt,

                       

                       

                          Thanks for your generous time and answers! Do you think usb 2 external hard drives would be fast enough for 2 of the 3 drive setup on a laptop?

                       

                      -Thom

                      • 8. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
                        the_wine_snob Level 9

                        Thom,

                         

                        Going back some years, before FW was as widespread, as it is now, I tried the same thing. I used several brands of USB 2.0 externals, mostly in the 200-250GB range. I had two problems:

                         

                        1.) Delayed Write Failures were rampant - major problem with file corruption. This was commonly reported by many, who were trying to work to/from USB externals.

                         

                        2.) Speed - those things were horribly slow and this was too frustrating for me. I gave up and just used the externals for archival storage, as they were originally intended.

                         

                        I began experimenting with FW-400 externals. I go no Delayed Write Failures, but the speed was still horrible. I gave up on these.

                         

                        The FW-800 (IEEE-1394b) external drives came out. Most were multi-connections w/ USB, FW-400 and FW-800. With a multi-chip card, first PCMICA and then ExpressCard, I found these to be very stable, fast enough to edit to/from, and I still do this. I use a handful of 1.5-2TB FW-800's to edit to/from and shuttle Projects between computers. Note: I have the drive letter for each of these set in the OS on each computer, so that my NLE does not get confused as to where the Assets are located. If I plug in external Z:\, it comes up as Z:\ on each computer.

                         

                        Now, eSATA drives and plug-in controller cards (probably only ExpressCard, but maybe some PCMICA's) are common, and eSATA externals are available. These would be even faster than FW-800. If I was not so heavily invested in FW-800 drives, I'd go fully with eSATA. [Also, my workstation is out of PCI/PCIe slots, so I'd have to take something out.]

                         

                        One caveat, if you go with FW, would be to detach all FW devices BEFORE you use FW to Capture from your camera. I never have anything else attached to that controller chip, when doing Capture. Many cameras will not even be recognized, if some other device is also attached. With some others, the Capture module in the NLE will not see the camera, even if the OS does. With still other, Capture will get halted, or many frames dropped. When doing Capture - make certain that there are NO other FW devices on that chip. Note: with on-board FW connections, one might have several connectors, but are likely to have them all fed into one single controller chip.

                         

                        Hope that this helps,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 9. Re: Premier Elements 7 out of memory solution, but....
                          hadrianus@hispeed.ch

                          In my opinion, Premiere Elements .7 is already a total disappointment. There are so many problems, either whilst capturing/rendering normal Handycam files or HD files, that I have thrown it out and reinstalled old Version .3. At least I can work now with Handycam files without being in need to swear constantly. and not witness continuous program/computer breakdowns. In Version .7 I cannot even import an old Handycam clip sequence of about 29 takes totalling 1:15 hours, not to speak about those well-known memory problems with HD files, causing that I cannot not even import/render/interpretate a total of 5 minutes! This is a scandal. I have got that instruction sheet from the Helpline people, which does not help much. With .7, my computer never had so many breakdowns in his life. Since about one week I am trying to edit files, but there is no chance, except with those files re-imported to the old .3 Version.

                          Before Adobe responsible issue new versions, they really should work with them for months on various computers and with various cameras, or sell those products only to specialists which like to pass their days solving detecting/problems. I need to work, not to play with computer's problems. With all the programs I have on my other computers, nothing is so bad and disappointing as Premiere Elements .7 - so far. My "film editing" Windows XP computer has been set up especially for such kind of work, no other programs are intervening there and with Premiere .3 it worked.

                          I think Adobe's customers are not here to spend days to adjust their computers to the software they have bought for good money: a good software should adapt to variuos computers. In addition to that, this .7 version has some extra gimmicks/features/window commands which have been displaced, so that it is more difficult to find them etc.

                          I just wonder what those genius programmers in their ebony towers are thinking while creating their products, and ask myself if they are really interested that these programs are being used by normal people with a more logical and practical thinking!

                          Regards from Switzerland

                          Adriano

                          (composer/conductor)