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1. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
lestra7 Oct 26, 2009 2:16 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)I have MainConcept MPEG Pro HDV, and can say that it is amazing.I can capture from DV Camera directly to mpeg if I need, than I can import mpeg and edit like DV and best of all I can export to mpeg or m2v without recompression and quality loss.
When client want something to change I use backup from DVD can you imagine?Dont need to store large backup of Project and Media anymore on hard disc.Higly recomended plugin for only $149.
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2. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 4:05 AM (in response to lestra7)Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me. $150 is a lot of money for me and I
wish I had it to get this plug in. Do you have a less expensive
solution? Or is there an alternative to MainConcept?
Shoghi Shams
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3. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
lestra7 Oct 26, 2009 4:29 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)If you want to preserve quality when edit and export mpeg you must go with mainconcept plugin or with Corel VideoStudio Pro X2
standalone program ( $69.99 ) but in that case you must edit in it, not in Premiere.And remember if you want quality from compressed format you must have option to render without RECOMPRESSION.I dont know alternative maybe someone else know.Good luck -
4. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 26, 2009 6:41 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)Is there another file format that I can convert to without losing quality from my MTS files?
Lagarith.
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5. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 8:05 AM (in response to JSS1138)Hi,
If you have the MainConcept MPEG plug in working for your Premiere
Pro, then I would recommend using something like WonderShare or AVS
Video Concerter to convert them into MPEGs for edit. Otherwise, it'll
have to be in AVI format. Keep in mind AVI isn't as good as MPEG.
Shoghi Shams
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6. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
lestra7 Oct 26, 2009 8:36 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)I dont understand what you mean.Which codec in AVI container, when compare with mpeg?If it is divx or similar than you are right.But DV AVI and UNCOMPRESSED AVI etc...is better than mpeg.
As Jim said use Lagarith free and very good codec to create file with minimal quality loss than edit, and finaly export in what you need.
BTW mpeg is more uneditable than editable format.
Sorry my Tarzan English.
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7. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
Jeff Bellune Oct 26, 2009 9:30 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)[OT personal comments and the associated replys deleted by forum host]
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8. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 26, 2009 9:36 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)Keep in mind AVI isn't as good as MPEG.
Given the variables with such files, that is a nonsense statement. There is no way to predict which will have better quality based solely on file extension.
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9. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 9:48 AM (in response to JSS1138)Ok. So just so I got this right.
If I want to convert it from MTS to an Uncompressed HD Avi format, I can use Lagarit?
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10. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
Harm Millaard Oct 26, 2009 9:48 AM (in response to JSS1138)After Jeff's statement and removal of my post, I can only second that.
NONSENSE.
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11. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
Harm Millaard Oct 26, 2009 9:49 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)Yes.
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12. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 10:11 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)Thanks again.
I think I might need it broken down a little more.
I just downloaded and installed Lagarit, and if I'm not mistaken, it is only a codec. My question is, how exactly would I utilize this codec? Can it be used to convert MTS files? If so, how and into what format supported by Adobe Premiere Pro with no quality loss?
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13. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
Jeff Bellune Oct 26, 2009 10:18 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)Whatever program you are using to convert your MTS files before you import them into Pr should have options for which compressor to use when you select AVI as the conversion format.
-Jeff
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14. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 10:45 AM (in response to Jeff Bellune)Ok. So this is what I see for my AVI and MPEG options. It just seems like there is a considerably quality difference between the two output options. How would I be utilizing the codec I had previously installed?
Side questions: How would 5.1 sound work within Premiere Pro? I certainly wouldn't edit sound within Premiere Pro, but I was wondering in terms of taking advantage of what my camera offers and trasfering it into Premiere Pro, maintaining quality if possible?
Thanks!
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15. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
Jeff Bellune Oct 26, 2009 11:58 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)You've only shown a few of the available codecs for the AVI screenshot. What other options become available when you scroll down the drop-down list?
-Jeff
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16. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
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Jeff Bellune Oct 26, 2009 12:54 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)Thanks for that. Out of that list, Video: Uncompressed, Original Audio: PCM is your best bet for quality. In order to use Lagarith there would have to be an option to choose any AVI-compatible codec that's on your system.
So to sum up your options:
1. You need a different converter. There's a pay-for-play app that comes highly recommended, Digital Media Converter Pro. There are also freeware options. I'd personally stay away from SUPER because it can cause problems with Adobe apps, but others have had success with it, and it's free. It's up to you.
2. You might need extra hard drive space for uncompressed and/or Lagarith. At the very least you will need really fast disks for HD video, up to and including a RAID 0.
3. You might need a new computer to edit the MTS files natively. A 3+ GHz quad-core minimum, and 8 cores if you can afford them. Even with a new system, Canon native AVCHD files can be more difficult to edit than Panasonic native AVCHD files. I don't know why.
-Jeff
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18. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
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Jeff Bellune Oct 26, 2009 2:00 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)Yes.
-Jeff
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20. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 2:11 PM (in response to Jeff Bellune)Ok. So I've just had a chance to play around with SUPER and I find it a little confusing and it feels very unstable. It only supports 2 channels for audio too.
Did you mention that there was more than one free software available?
So essentailly I need to find a software that can utilize the codec I downloaded (Lagarith)? What file format am I looking for specifically?
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21. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 26, 2009 2:21 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)The MPEG version of VirtualDub can encode to Lagarith. I don't know if it will work with your original media, but the program is free and may be worth a try.
You might also just try using Adobe Media Encoder to convert.
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22. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
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23. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 2:39 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)Of course, if I can convert directly from MTS to an editable format, that would probably work best.
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24. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
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26. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 26, 2009 2:53 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)May not work. The V210 is for use with the AJA Xena card.
Lagarith will be an option under Codec if you choose the Mircosoft AVI option from the Preset list.
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27. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 2:57 PM (in response to JSS1138)Could I tweak the settings anymore to get more quality? i.e, sample rate, frame rate, etc.
I'm pretty surprsed at how easy Adobe Encoder is to use. I've never used it till now, don't know why I've never thought to use it. What's wrong with it anyways? Why aren't more people using it
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28. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 3:34 PM (in response to JSS1138)Ok. I see it now. What happens if I crank the frame rate and the audio sample rate? What is a Field Type (what is the best setting: Lower First, Upper, Progressive?
These are the settings now for s***s and giggles. I don't feel it's going to work. It's looking like a MASSIVE output file too (estimated at 32GB). Is that right? It's like a 20 minute clip. I"m assuming that because I cranked the settings, resulting in the size?
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29. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 26, 2009 5:13 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)Ok. An hour later, 33.4GB and VLC won't play the avi file that is outputted. Is this a settings issue?
A second attempt:
Second attempt was also failure. I had the settings turned down and it didn't make a difference. The video was extreme choppy and VLC still wouldn't play it. It doesn't edit well in Premiere Pro either.
I just played the MTS files with Windows Media Player and WOW! The picture is AMAZING! I just don't understand why it's so hard to edit and maintain the quality!
Also, this I don't understand: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2326429 These people are saying that they are import MTS files into Premiere Pro?? Is that right? I don't understand.. this entire post is based on fact that I need to convert MTS into something else in order to edit it with Premiere Pro. Could it all have been for nothing??? I've tried importing MTS files into Premiere Pro but the video won't look right, cracking and turning colors, etc. That would be the real saver right there, if I could edit MTS files as it is and output it at something more standard. But again, the imagine looks terrible when imported into Premiere Pro
I'm all out of ideas! Help!
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30. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 26, 2009 8:18 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)Could I tweak the settings anymore to get more quality? i.e, sample rate, frame rate, etc.
No. Lagarith is a lossless codec. Which means it won't degrade quality. But there's nothing you can do to improve it save reshooting with a better camera.
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31. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 26, 2009 8:14 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)What happens if I crank the frame rate and the audio sample rate? What is a Field Type (what is the best setting: Lower First, Upper, Progressive?
Make your settings match your original footage. Don't change anything.
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32. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 26, 2009 8:15 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)VLC won't play the avi file that is outputted. Is this a settings issue?
It's true VLC won't play Lags files. But KMPlayer handles them fine. (Between those two media players, you can play pretty much any video file that exists.)
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33. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 26, 2009 8:17 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)if I could edit MTS files as it is
What camera model?
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34. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 27, 2009 6:19 AM (in response to JSS1138)I have a Panasonic TM20 with 16GB internal flash memory.
Even with Lagarith at the most appropriate settings, the output video is still really shoppy.
Note: I have an i7 with 6GB of DDR3 RAM, all overclocked, so I'm pretty sure my computer isn't the issue here. I've had no problems editing, importing or exporting anything else. Computer is perfect for the level of editing I'm looking to do.
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35. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
Jeff Bellune Oct 27, 2009 6:47 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)I've tried importing MTS files into Premiere Pro but the video won't look right, cracking and turning colors, etc.
This points to an outdated or inappropriate video card driver. Even if your computer is brand-new, the video driver could be outdated.
I've had no problems with Panasonic's AVCHD .mts files in Pr. Mine came from an HMC150.
-Jeff
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36. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 27, 2009 7:26 AM (in response to TheShamsMan)I'm pretty sure my computer isn't the issue here.
It does seem sufficient to edit the native media files without conversion. I'd try and fix that color problem rather than convert.
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37. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 27, 2009 9:34 AM (in response to JSS1138)Hmm. That's weird. Because I have JUST reformatted my computer yesterday and went on the ATI website, downloaded the latest drivers listed there. I'm pretty sure it is the latest version. I'll try uninstall and reinstalling the drivers. Could it be codec I'm missing? Because the MTS files will play with Windows Media Player (beautifully!).
Windows 7 fully updated. Premiere Pro 4.1.0, also just updated.
When I import the MTS file and drag it into the timeline, the audio won't be set on the MASTER (first line), but it'll create a 5th line and will place my audio there, with 5.1 in little writtings at the head of it. Is that supposed to happen? I think I can still edit the audio just the same, but wasn't sure if it's supposed to be on the 5th and unmoveable to any other 1-4.
What about exporting in 5.1 sound? Is there a way to do that? Or am I stuck paying for a plug in?
Thanks guys!
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38. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
JSS1138 Oct 27, 2009 1:55 PM (in response to TheShamsMan)Is that supposed to happen?
In this case, yes. Audio files can only be placed on the appropriate audio track, whether it's mono, stereo or 5.1.
went on the ATI website, downloaded the latest drivers
ATI just came out with a driver update that was pushed to my edit rig via Windows Update. What a mess. Completely broke my exports, especially those with MB Looks applied. I had to roll back to an older driver to restore functionality.
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39. Re: [Help] Premiere Pro 4.1: Importing MPEGs
TheShamsMan Oct 27, 2009 2:06 PM (in response to JSS1138)My apologies if this isn't clear enough. I had to take these while the video was playing, otherwise, if paused, it'll just clear up. Below is the audio track, which I believe has been confirmed to be normal.
I've tried loading the file from My Video folder instead and didn't make a difference. Could the hard drive really make that much difference? It worked fine when I used Vegas Pro 9 and Corel. Premiere Pro is the only one that's giving me a hard time, but the sweetest.
Thanks!














