25 Replies Latest reply: Nov 8, 2011 2:59 PM by Noel Carboni RSS

    Where is clarity?

    Casamagnolia-wSzxs8 Community Member

      I've used Photoshop for many years, but for several years now I've been using Photoshop only as a backend to Lightroom, mostly to use plugins, actually...  I recently got CS4 and am trying to learn about the new features.  Even CS2 had shadow/highlight, I've found vibrance.  But where is clarity?  I've done a search and apparently it can be found only in Camera RAW?  Can it really not be done in Photoshop?  In particular I wanted to apply negative clarity to see how it would look an image I'm working on.  Normally I would just wait until I go back to Lightroom to fine tune a picture, but that's really not the best way to work, I don't think.  In this case the picture will probably never be in Lightroom, certainly not at this moment.

       

      Judy

        • 1. Re: Where is clarity?
          ssprengel MVP

          Clarity is similar to the Contrast slider in Shadow/Highlight.

           

          Are you saying you've replaced LR with CS4?  Otherwise, why not apply negative clarity to the image before exporting to Photoshop.

          • 2. Re: Where is clarity?
            Jeff Schewe Community Member

            Casamagnolia wrote:

             

            But where is clarity?  I've done a search and apparently it can be found only in Camera RAW?  Can it really not be done in Photoshop?

             

            Nope...Clarity is a Camera Raw (and Lightroom) only function. as a result negative clarity can only be done in Camera Raw...as you've found out. Of course Camera Raw can work on JPEGs and flattened TIFF files...try that.

            • 3. Re: Where is clarity?
              Casamagnolia-wSzxs8 Community Member

              Not everything I work on in Photoshop came from or will ever go to Lightroom.   It appears that contrast slider might be similar.  I'd have to do a direct comparison of the same image to tell.  Thanks for the tip!

               

              Judy

              • 4. Re: Where is clarity?
                Casamagnolia-wSzxs8 Community Member

                It looks like to get into Camera Raw with a jpg or tif I'd have to go through Bridge.   I guess that's OK in some cases, but in this case the file I'm working on came out of another program as a PSD file with two layers.  It doesn't seem sensible to flatten it and resave it to do this.

                 

                Like I wrote, I usually do fine tuning in Lightroom.  I loaded this particular file and thought gee I wonder what would happen if I applied negative clarity for a kind of ethereal effect.  Well, where IS CLARITY?!  Nowhere...

                 

                Some uses of clarity would not be the first thing you do to an image, but the last thing.  Which would require re-saving.

                • 5. Re: Where is clarity?
                  Zeno Bokor Community Member

                  you can use Unsharp Mask to simulate Clarity in Photoshop, just set a high radius and low amount values

                  • 6. Re: Where is clarity?
                    Bob Shomler Community Member
                    It looks like to get into Camera Raw with a jpg or tif I'd have to go through Bridge.

                     

                    You can open a jpeg or tiff in Photoshop-hosted camera raw (without going through Bridge) - In Photoshop:  File > Open As.  Select Camera Raw in the Open As box at the bottom.

                    • 7. Re: Where is clarity?
                      Casamagnolia-wSzxs8 Community Member

                      Thanks for the option, but I don't think that will be useful very often.  I found Open As after I spent a half hour trying to get PS to ALWAYS show all menu items (I switched from CS2 which I remember as always showing all menu items).  So the answer is to save the file you've been working on and re-open it with Open As?  I don't think so...  Clarity is not the first thing I do to a file but one of the last.  Plus in this case I'm opening a layered PSD file initially.  And if I use PS from Lightroom and want to finish it in PS, the saving and reopening would not be a really good thing to do.

                       

                      I guess I have to admit this question has been answered because my question was where is clarity and the answer is -- it isn't there.

                      • 8. Re: Where is clarity?
                        Zeno Bokor Community Member

                        I've told you already, Clarity in Photoshop is achieved using Unsharp Mask with a high Radius and low Amount settings

                        • 9. Re: Where is clarity?
                          Hudechrome-sd9sPI Community Member

                          He wants negative clarity, Zeno, which the unsharp mask routine won't do.

                           

                          When I find myself in a pickle needing to go back to RAW, I dupe the file, delete the layers and run it in RAW. Export it back to PS and open the unflattened layers and move them over, being sure they are in the same stacking as before.

                           

                          Yeah, messy, otoh, you now have two files side by side to evaluate the results.

                           

                          Of course, save it as a tiff.

                           

                          Message was edited by: Hudechrome

                          • 10. Re: Where is clarity?
                            Zeno Bokor Community Member

                            well then, duplicate layer, add Filter->Other->High Pass with a high Radius, Image->Adjustments->Invert and then set the blend mode of that layer to either Soft Light or Overlay

                            • 11. Re: Where is clarity?
                              Hudechrome-sd9sPI Community Member

                              Show off!

                              • 12. Re: Where is clarity?
                                Zeno Bokor Community Member

                                you mean "blind man", don't you? i read the first post twice and somehow managed to ignore the "negative" part both times

                                • 13. Re: Where is clarity?
                                  Hudechrome-sd9sPI Community Member

                                  Easily done, and at my age, almost guaranteed!

                                   

                                  Ok, Blind Man it is. No bluffing now!

                                  • 14. Re: Where is clarity?
                                    Casamagnolia-wSzxs8 Community Member

                                    Actually, I want to be able to do both kinds, positive and negative.

                                    • 15. Re: Where is clarity?
                                      Hudechrome-sd9sPI Community Member

                                      Where is Clarity?

                                       

                                      She left me for another photographer.

                                       

                                      Definity negative in my estimation!

                                      • 16. Re: Where is clarity?
                                        Zeno Bokor Community Member

                                        Using High Pass you can get it both ways. You get positive Clarity with a normal High Pass layer and negative Clarity if you invert that layer. It's not as convenient as doing it in Camera Raw but it can be done.

                                        • 17. Re: Where is clarity?
                                          mcfitz25 Community Member

                                          I'm trying to figure out where my clarity tool is in cs3 on mac. I've supposedly downloaded the update of at least 4.4.1 as I understand that ACR 4.0 did not have the clarity tool. What do I do after this download though? It is still nowhere to be found??

                                          • 18. Re: Where is clarity?
                                            LDMartin1959 Community Member

                                            Resurrecting an old thread here.

                                             

                                            Hudechrome-sd9sPI, you said:

                                            When I find myself in a pickle needing to go back to RAW, I dupe the file, delete the layers and run it in RAW. Export it back to PS and open the unflattened layers and move them over, being sure they are in the same stacking as before.

                                             

                                            I'm too new to PS to really understand what you're saying here. Do you do File | Save As | RAW to get the file back into RAW format? I haven't been able to duplicate the process. I too want to be able to apply negative clarity-type adjustment after the fact, and since none of the solutions I've seen offered anywhere (where there wa a solution offered) don't seem to work for me (perhaps due to my lack of experience, therefore lack of understanding). Additional "Clarification" (sorry, the pun couldn't be helped) would be appreciated.

                                             

                                            LDMartin1959

                                            • 19. Re: Where is clarity?
                                              Hudechrome Community Member

                                              Yeah, it is old!

                                               

                                              Suppose you are working a file exported from RAW, and, after getting to a particular point, it becomes obvious that the RAW version could use revision, but you do not want to lose the layers. The way I do that is to make a copy of the current file with all the layers unflattened, then select the original and simply exit without saving. Now go back to RAW, make the changes, reopen that in PS and drag the layers from the layered version to the newly changed RAW.

                                               

                                              BTW, you might also want both versions of the RAW file available as well. So before proceeding with the readjustment of the RAW file, duplicate that in ACR.

                                               

                                              Basically, I do it this way to avoid too much clutter in PS. The RAW in ACR is always available as is, no matter what you did to the file in PS.

                                              • 20. Re: Where is clarity?
                                                Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                Actually, I think it's now possible to just open two copies of a raw file without going through a lot of gymnastics.

                                                 

                                                -Noel

                                                • 21. Re: Where is clarity?
                                                  PECourtejoie ACP

                                                  There is a script that allows to send à layer to camera raw : http://russellbrown.com/scripts.html

                                                  • 22. Re: Where is clarity?
                                                    Hudechrome Community Member

                                                    Certainly.

                                                    • 23. Re: Where is clarity?
                                                      Hudechrome Community Member

                                                      Yikes! Tiffs with layers=humongous files.

                                                       

                                                      But I agree, it's a nice idea.

                                                       

                                                      The part about setting the ppi to 240 is too strict. What I would want to do is match the PS file and ACR file the same. I run at 360 so now I reset everything to 240? His explanation should be: Set ACR and PS so that the ppi of the PS file and the ACR file are the same

                                                       

                                                      Agreed? Or am I missing something? 240 ppi is a magic number?

                                                      • 24. Re: Where is clarity?
                                                        arc fixer Community Member

                                                        Hi.

                                                         

                                                        It looks like to get into Camera Raw with a jpg or tif I'd have to go through Bridge. 

                                                         

                                                        In your File Handling Preferences, File Compatibility,  you could tic "Prefer Adobe Camera Raw for JPG Files". At least JPGs would open directly in ACR. I got nothin for TIFFs or layers.

                                                         

                                                        FWIW.

                                                         

                                                        Peace,

                                                        Lee

                                                        • 25. Re: Where is clarity?
                                                          Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                          Even if you don't have the settings per Lee's recommendation above, for the occasional open of JPEG or TIFF through Camera Raw, choose File - Open As, choose Camera Raw format, then select the JPEG or TIFF file you want to open, and voila!  It opens through Camera Raw.

                                                           

                                                          -Noel