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      • 120. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
        LRK 2 Level 2

        Thanks for posting!

        • 121. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
          AlleyCatSmith

          Hi,

          Who here's going to the CS5 thing on April 12? I assume I got invited because of this thread.

          • 122. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
            LRK 2 Level 2

            CS5 thing? Please do explain. :-)

            • 123. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
              AlleyCatSmith Level 1

              Don't know if you can see this - taken from my email - guess its the new CS with the new Dreamweaver. If you can see it, sign up.

               

               

              http://csbuzz.adobe.com/?trackingid=FDKPN

              • 124. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                LRK 2 Level 2

                Thanks for sharing this link. I think I may have received an invite last week, but was too busy to pay attention. Looks like Dreamweaver is being totally revamped. I will be interested in checking it out.

                • 125. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                  summer1934 Level 1

                  Yes.  Yes, I think GoLive deserves another incarnation.

                   

                  I manage many sites and use GoLive cs2.  It's so easy to use and surprisingly productive.  I appreciate the built-in warnings and extra information, as one user here mentioned, the red broken link bug.  Oh, that's a Wonderful Asset!  And that's just the tip of the iceberg as far as features in GoLive CS2.

                   

                  I used Dreamweaver briefly, for about a week.  It was too clunky after the ease of GoLive.  I need to get the work done.

                   

                  When I first saw Adobe pushing the idea "How to change your GoLive website to Dreamweaver" I was sickened.  No, no no no.

                   

                  Love GoLive's whip select.  Lends to the program's sleek interface.  Why hadn't anyone else thought of this?  Is the whip a feature designed by the Original German developer?  Those Germans.

                   

                  since Adobe doesn't want the program anymore and won't support their GoLive Customers they may as well set it free.  Or allow another company to develop it to its full potential.

                   

                  Not bashing Dreamweaver but there was a reason it was always the cheaper program.

                   

                  -- Please don't bother telling me the same things I read above. I know a good thing when I use it.

                   

                  BTW You can buy GoLive CS2 online for about 50, with prices ranging up to and over $200.

                   

                  Message was edited by: summer1934:  Other web editing programs I have used: a heavily-tweaked version of HomeSite in the late 90s, Joomla (very frustrating), FrontPage, but just once (oh dear!  messy!).  Throughout this time I learned Photoshop, so was ultimately attracted to GoLive for its Photoshop integration, and never looked back.

                  • 126. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                    LRK 2 Level 2

                    Hi Summer,

                     

                    Thank you for your input. I always find it encouraging when I hear how others appreciate GoLive as I do. I'm holding onto mine and plan to use it as long as I can for all current and previous client websites.

                     

                    On the other hand, it looks as if the future of building websites is changing quite a bit, and will affect how web designers work. The new interface of Dreamweaver CS5 strikes me as more of a "homeowner's" addition, that it targeted to the average person without a lot of experience with websites. More of a CMS environment. This may be of concern to those who make a living designing websites. Not sure it will affect me that much because most of my clients simply either do not want to be bothered with building or updating their own sites, or they want a custom design only and will manage their own sites inhouse.

                     

                    I have actually had more work than I could handle the past year, and reached a point to where I had to take a break from continual bouts of burnout. I am currently not taking new clients until possibly the end of this year, for the most part. I'm sure there will be exceptions, but will carefully pick and choose what kind of work and client I'm willing to take on.

                     

                    Back to GoLive. The thing that keeps me using it probably more than anything are the Components. I also really like the red warning bugs when there is a broken link. And of course I love the CSS panel with check boxes for applying class styles.

                     

                    GoLive's interface is fast and has become second nature for me. I can update most of my client's websites within 5-20 minutes, unless there's something custom or a photoshop design/video/flash/etc. related that needs to be done.

                     

                    Anyway, thanks for your comments!

                     

                    Linda

                    • 127. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                      Buzzingbee Level 1

                      People... don't worry. I have been in front of a Mac since 1987. When the Mac started taking off everyone thought that designers would be obsolete because everyone would be able to do their own design.Well, unfortunately (or fortunately for us designers) it didn't have a Graphic Designer button included. So, people started doing their own things, or getting their secretaries to do them, and realizing that it was ugly as sin. The same thing has happened with the Web. A lot of the sites on the Internet are ugly as sin because they are just horrible. That's OK. My clients come to me because that is what they don't want. They still want the custom design and the pampering I give them. That is what they are paying for.

                       

                      If Adobe is finally making Dreamweaver more user friendly, I welcome it. That is why I wouldn't use it. It has always had that webmaster feel to it. Not a program for designers.

                      • 128. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                        maeric Level 3

                        This thread to revive GoLive is rather amazing. I'm saying this not as a GL user but as someone well-versed in the battle you are facing and in the discussions in these three pages of posts. I've read every one of them and the spirit is identical to the Adobe FreeHand forums where I wandered over from. Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?

                         

                        Let me throw in my 2¢ here. I'm on the founding team at FreeFreehand.org and we have amassed over 5000 members to give FreeHand a future, just as you are wanting for GoLive. While this forum is vitally important to gather interest and users, it is a closed system that will not reach Adobe management in the way you think. The comment made by Marian is dead-on right that Adobe must be petitioned directly and that is a lesson we FreeHanders learned over time. Linda is also right to have started an outside site at ReviveGoLive.com to gather, coordinate and contribute to other GL users as it will give you the freedom to expand beyond the confines here. This can work for you with a few dedicated souls and building your user base by outreach into the web community. It doesn't matter that Dreamweaver is the industry standard, the fact is GoLive was mothballed by Adobe and if you want it released, shout for it in public, not here. I can say that there isn't a FreeHand user at our site that wouldn't sympathize and encourage your mission ahead. Go for it!

                         

                        Here's a consideration; petition for an open-source GoLive under Adobe auspices. As I presented on the FreeHand Forums, open source is a strong possibility for Adobe to take since the same VP who oversees FreeHand and GoLive also manages the entire Creative Suite 5. Replace FreeHand with GoLive as you read:

                         

                        If you’re not aware of Adobe management, the man in charge of Adobe’s Creative Business Unit (i.e. Creative Suite CS5) is V.P. John Loiacono. He joined Adobe in 2006 after the Macromedia merger and he oversees FreeHand MX along with the rest of the Creative Suite applications. John came directly from Sun Microsystems which is VERY significant because he was the guy that helped to open-source the Solaris operating system. Not to mention that Sun’s StarOffice is directly linked to OpenOffice and thus NeoOffice for Mac; both of which are open source. Do a search of his name and “open source” together and notice what pops up.


                        Back in 2007, John wrote an Adobe blog post that showed his affinity for open source and the Adobe business model of “integration” that would prevent it. His blog seemed relevant at the time but today, Adobe is trying to keep up with fast moving trends and seems desperate not to be seen as a dinosaur (like with Flash?)  While he accepts the Adobe model of integration, he also says of open source, “I come from a company that believes strongly in open source . . . in the right circumstances, I absolutely believe in the model.” and he adds, “ ... open source software can be a perfect solution. It's just not right for everything. Or for everyone - like many creative professionals who are on deadline and prefer to innovate vs. integrate.” Note that “innovate” refers to open source and “integrate” refers to Adobe’s business model; an interesting distinction. There is more and I suggest reading his blog yourself:
                        http://blogs.adobe.com/johnnyl/2007/08/innovate_or_integrate_3.html


                        John Loiacono could be an important key to open up Adobe for testing the open source model and what better program than with FreeHand MX. With an Adobe “sponsored,” open-source FreeHand, they can still protect the FreeHand patents they need for Flash/Fireworks/Illustrator and yet have the innovation that comes from the open-source community.

                         

                        Of course Adobe could sell off GoLive as easily. Regardless, what you want is a future that probably won't ever exist under Adobe's lineup but might in other ways. If it's any help on the importance of direct petitioning, our membership is presently doing a mass mailing of key Adobe executives this month and we've hired a top PR firm for public exposure. Plus the irony is that Adobe is upset that Flash isn't being allowed by Apple and feeling shut-out of the market. Isn't that how you've felt?

                         

                        Good luck with all of you.

                        • 129. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                          LRK 2 Level 2

                          Maeric,

                           

                          What a nice entry to this thread! I enjoyed reading your thoughts and ideas, as well as the corresponding situation you've faced with Freehand.

                           

                          Although I feel totally unqualified (as well as overtired) for a task such as what you are suggesting, if someone else wanted to take your suggestions and move forward, I would be willing to help out by donating the domain name I purchased, and any other way I can… probably more as a support than anything.

                           

                          Thank you for taking the time to offer your thoughts. Great job!

                           

                          Linda

                          • 130. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                            maeric Level 3

                            Linda, you're welcome.

                             

                            I understand the seeming magnitude of this appears to be a lot and you wouldn't want to "revive" GoLive without some partners to share the duties. But a good place to start is simple; find out the size of the GL user base and the interest. Set up a link on your site that simply collects email addresses from users and see how big it gets. Advertise it on all GoLive sites and help forums. If it's a handful then it isn't worth it. But if it gets into thousands, then you have a reason to go on to save GL and you will definitely attract partners to share the task.

                             

                            Read our story here for how we began: http://www.enrichdesign.com/fhblog/

                             

                            Best of luck.

                             

                            Mark

                            • 131. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                              LRK 2 Level 2

                              Mark,

                               

                              I spent some time at your Freehand Blog tonight. What a great job you are doing with your own FH community. Nice to see. I honestly am not sure I can handle another project at this time. I've had to quit taking new client jobs due to physical and mental exhaustion. I will keep your suggestions in case either I'm able to take this farther, or someone else is passionate enough to take it farther.

                               

                              Thanks very much for sharing this information. And I wish you well with your Freehand endeavors. Reading about it makes me want to go find my last copy and give it a try again. I've always used Illustrator but had Macromedia products as well, including a couple versions of Freehand.

                               

                              If you are able to get a breakthrough be sure to let me know.

                               

                              Best Wishes,

                              Linda

                              • 132. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                Level 5

                                Before we get further confused about "open source"...

                                 

                                Look at the open source technologies currently in use to understand the future. A technology company only offers open source options if it will feed back to their commercial interests. GL and FH are not commercial interests. Such an open source app (if it would ever exist) would feed back into DW and IL.

                                 

                                Selling off or giving away any application while dancing around patents will leave a product like swiss cheese. Adobe would degrade and slice up a divested application so much that it would be nothing like it was and would push users to consider Adobe's fuller-featured commercial product (Dreamweaver/Illustrator). Adobe will never release a product to a competitor without facing the  wrath of shareholders.

                                 

                                Freefreehand.org has done well to show the massive number of people interested - and to also show the complete lack of action with that massive number of people. The only way for users to steer Adobe is with money. You can either boycott the purchasing of DW and IL (not likely to even make a dent in sales) or buy controlling stock of Adobe (if you have that kind of money, you're not likely using GL or FH).

                                 

                                maeric wrote:

                                Note that “innovate” refers to open source and “integrate” refers to Adobe’s business model; an interesting distinction.

                                 

                                Look at Inkscape, Sodipodi, sk1, KompoZer, Nvu...  There's little innovation there from these open source apps. They're playing catch-up to Adobe. While it is true that there's been some innovative features in GIMP and Cinepaint that appeared before they appeared in Photoshop, Adobe's closed source, commercial apps for vector drawing and web design have always been ahead of any similar open source project.

                                 

                                John Loiacono's blog ended in early 2008. The last post regarded software as a service. Look at the online services for Acrobat.com and Photoshop.com. It will be no surprise if Adobe also offers an easy to use web page service like many others currently offer (Google Sites, Yahoo! Web Hosting, WordPress, etc...) The web design customers that you served just last year now have the ability to make their own web site in a matter of hours (at at little or no cost). The many available templates that can be easily customized with logos and the users' own graphics put to shame the work I have seen from us (including myself) in this GoLive forum. It amuses me how many simple questions about web forms, menus, commenting/feedback and e-commerce are asked on the GoLive forum when these features are so simply handled in a modern CMS or hosted web service. Even Dreamweaver users are threatened by this software as a service.

                                 

                                "Hold close to your guns and religion" or evolve/adapt. With the ever changing world of web design and development, it is unbelievable that anyone can recall or prefer the "good old days". A web designer from ten years ago could not survive today. Look to the future, set your sights higher, even above Dreamweaver.

                                • 133. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                  LRK 2 Level 2

                                  Marian,

                                   

                                  In light of recent events, I see your point. Looks like the whole world of web design is changing even as we speak. After viewing a clip on DWCS5 it became even more evident that CMS is the wave of the future.

                                   

                                  I'm happy to keep plugging away with GL for now, but looking to the future to best meet the needs of my long term clients. For the most part, I think it's probably in their best interest to help my clients become self-sufficient. There will always be those who prefer to keep things as they are, and pay me to make updates to their websites, or redesigns every so often. And of course there will always be those who simply need a designer to create a custom structure that they can manage themselves. I admit, a program like GoLive, or previous versions of DW, will not cut it for future client needs.

                                   

                                  It's sill sad to not have reason to pursue GoLive. It would be nice to keep things as they have been. GoLive is such a powerful application for the kind of work I've been doing over the years. But change happens, and those who don't bend often either break or get too far behind to be able to offer much by way of cutting edge services.

                                   

                                  So… I might find myself in dinosaur land if I'm unable to keep up. But at least I can always go back to print design, which still seems to hold it's own specialty, and to my knowledge has not changed all that much. I've been giving most of these jobs to other designers, but in the future might just start taking them again if I need to.

                                   

                                  Rambling on. Need to get more sleep at night. :-)

                                   

                                  Linda

                                  • 134. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                    RSheasley Level 1

                                    I would be interested in having some new versions of GoLive. The web is evolving and GoLive is a great package, but without any new versions, it will be a continued challenge. Dreamweaver is not the answer either if you have to relearn and redo so much starting over in some ways of thinking.

                                    • 135. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                      Centromedia.Com Level 1

                                      Obviously actually Golive don't have any competitor in it's category, so

                                      it's really kitty to say "go and and use an other web app." Is there any that could use adobe files as components?... comon...

                                       

                                      So, first at all I had to change over a new machine with Win7 64 bit and so that Golive 9 had serious problem with refreshing windows.

                                       

                                      24 hours of to build my own bug fix for golive... I gonna publish it soon, otherwise you can still install a VM on top of win 7.

                                       

                                      However, my first tip is to build URGENTLY a website with all the work done to our days, unfortunately Adobe Exchange is not anymore available for Golive. And without it Golive is absolutely going to it's end because people don't have any support.

                                       

                                      http://www.golivecentral.com/ is powered by only a man, it's obviously not enough and if you really wan't do something, then help this man to update the site or better, write new actions and extensions... I see only people asking to revive Golive... you can revive it starting writing new stuff.

                                      • 136. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                        LRK 2 Level 2

                                        Centromedia.Com wrote:

                                         

                                        Obviously actually Golive don't have any competitor in it's category, so

                                        it's really kitty to say "go and and use an other web app." Is there any that could use adobe files as components?... comon...

                                         

                                        So, first at all I had to change over a new machine with Win7 64 bit and so that Golive 9 had serious problem with refreshing windows.

                                         

                                        24 hours of to build my own bug fix for golive... I gonna publish it soon, otherwise you can still install a VM on top of win 7.

                                         

                                        However, my first tip is to build URGENTLY a website with all the work done to our days, unfortunately Adobe Exchange is not anymore available for Golive. And without it Golive is absolutely going to it's end because people don't have any support.

                                         

                                        http://www.golivecentral.com/ is powered by only a man, it's obviously not enough and if you really wan't do something, then help this man to update the site or better, write new actions and extensions... I see only people asking to revive Golive... you can revive it starting writing new stuff.

                                         

                                        Is Centromedia.com on to something?

                                         

                                        Could those who know how actually write new extensions and better yet, alter the code in GoLive for repairs and future compatibility, be able to do this? Is this really possible?

                                         

                                        Would Michael Ahgren be a catalyst for possibility? Would he/could he be willing to involve himself in this cause?

                                         

                                        And what about others who are savvy with writing actions… such as Nate Baldwin?

                                         

                                        Even though the web is changing to CMS, I still continue to get calls to design and build new websites the old way. I've been turning down new clients and trying to relieve myself of being responsible for too many clients with everything that's happening related to the web.

                                         

                                        At the same time there are changes beyond my control and ability to keep up with. Last week I told a client I've had for years that I thought it was in his best interest to find a new web person who is more up-to-date with multimedia since he is having trouble with streaming on slow connections with his .flv files… I primarily use Flash but I realize there are now better ways. I can't keep up with the technical know how.

                                         

                                        However, there are still those clients who simply need a well designed website with simply monthly updates, and don't want to do it themselves. I have one pending now. Trying to take a break and rejuvenate as well as come up with a better idea of where I should take my business in the future. Fortunately I still have print design skills to fall back on. Also have enough happy clients under my belt with photography that want to recommend me, that I could begin taking on these clients. It's more work and might be less money than websites have been for me, but at least it's an option.

                                        • 137. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                          LRK 2 Level 2

                                          If someone like Michael Ahgren, whom we all know and trust, would like to take the next step, I would be willing to turn the revivegolive.com domain name over to him. It is up for renewal soon. I would be willing to pay for one more year on the domain name but put it in his name if he's interested.

                                          • 138. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                            Centromedia.Com Level 1

                                            having simply a domain does nothing.

                                            With the extensions a lot of work can be done and fixed.

                                            Such as the extension DeforceCSS fixes the  /*agl rulekind: base;*/ bug

                                            the redraw problem in win 7 and vista can simply fixed with an extension that intercepts the window events....

                                            (I only wrote a temporary external app that can be useful)

                                            and so on...

                                             

                                            what has to be done before is a good customer support site: full collection of module, script and extension as we had before.

                                             

                                            customer support first, for keeping existing customer base, without it forget it, everday golive will loose some user.

                                            And that's the reason why Adobe deleted Golive Exchange section.

                                            Giulio

                                            • 139. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                              LRK 2 Level 2

                                              << having simply a domain does nothing. >>

                                               

                                              Fine. Just offered it in case it can be used in conjunction with your ideas. I'll probably not renew it then.

                                              • 140. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                Centromedia.Com Level 1

                                                Couldn't you starting by doing something with already now, instead of leaving it empty?

                                                giulio

                                                • 141. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                  LRK 2 Level 2

                                                  I don't have the time or the wherewithal to do much more than I'm doing. I've had to stop taking new clients and working on getting myself back to a place of health and less stress, and yet still have a ways to go. If someone else wants to take this up, then at least I've taken a step to generate some interest.

                                                  • 142. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                    maeric Level 3

                                                    LRK please respond to maeric9 (at) hotmail (dot) com about www.revivegolive.com

                                                    • 143. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                      sleekit

                                                      Oh yes indeed! The best web dev app EVER - and Macromedia's offering only beat it in sales, not capability (shame is - that was enough).

                                                      • 144. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                        MJVNYCMJV

                                                        Adobe seems to buy and then ruin and or discontinue one program after the other. It's pretty much the kiss of death. Since Adobe will not support GoLive any further, can someone please recommend something else that is easy to use? Has anyone experience with programs such as WebEasyProfessional, WebPlus, IntuitWebsiteCreator,WebStudio, SiteSpinner, WebPageMaker, etc?

                                                         

                                                        PS, the absurdity of the Adobe staff here talking about how the OP is interupting users from being able to discuss how to use GoLive is beyond belief. We users have only two options, move to something else, or hope GoLive is revived. Using one of Adobe killed dead programs is NOT an option.

                                                        • 145. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                          Level 5

                                                          MJVNYCMJV wrote:

                                                           

                                                          Adobe seems to buy and then ruin and or discontinue one program after the other.

                                                          I agree. I really really hate that they killed off PageMill because they acquired GoLive. And look at PageMaker. RIP old friend! Everyone I know thinks PageMaker is miles ahead of InDesign.

                                                           

                                                          MJVNYCMJV wrote:


                                                          ...can someone please recommend something else that is easy to use?

                                                          Scroll up. Read this 3-page discussion. There are links and references to many options.

                                                           

                                                          MJVNYCMJV wrote:

                                                           

                                                          PS, the absurdity of the Adobe staff here

                                                          You might find great benefit to reading and comprehending a discussion prior to replying to it. There have not been any Adobe staff here.

                                                          • 146. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                            AlleyCatSmith Level 1

                                                            "There have not been any Adobe staff here."

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            You wanna bet?

                                                            • 147. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                              Level 5

                                                              Sure. I'll take that bet, even from an apparent troll like yourself.

                                                               

                                                              GoLive is dead in the eyes of Adobe. They no longer sell it or support it. There's no reason why Adobe staff would be here except to usher people to another Adobe product such as DW. As MJVNYCMJV is likely assuming that I am Adobe staff, I suggest you find posts where I try to sell DW. Prepare to be disappointed in yourself and your bizarre accusations.

                                                               

                                                              MJVNYCMJV thought there are only two options but left out the most obvious third option: Keep using the version of GoLive we already have.

                                                               

                                                              This forum can degenerate into insane accusations or we can discuss the use of GoLive. What are you here for? Where are the points you have received for your helpful posts?

                                                               

                                                              Let's grow up.

                                                              • 148. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                maeric Level 3

                                                                I hesitate posting here, and it may not be appreciated much, but I am astonished by the defeatism, hopelessness, and cynicism of this thread. What clearly started out as a proactive and vital desire to save a tool that so many of you clearly use in your professions, has had all the energy and hope sucked out of it. OK, maybe GoLive isn’t any good and better left in the dustbin, but I ask you as professionals: Is GoLive a worthy application? How many of you still rely on it? Would you want it to have a future if at all possible? What could it become with future development?

                                                                 

                                                                Adobe’s latest home page campaign clearly states; We LOVE Choice!


                                                                I’d take Adobe at their word and do something... anything to save your beloved program. As an Adobe customer, you can write a personal letter to those in charge. Send a fax. Create a petition and deliver it. Let management know how you feel. But for godsake folks, don’t lie down in defeat or defend your fears and cynicism. Change happens in this world through courage in what you believe in. Believe in GoLive and revive it.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=3223478&blogid=4

                                                                • 149. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                  sleekit Level 1

                                                                  Not appreciated? - more like water in a desert! Like you, I've been deeply saddened by the soulless and arrogant, albeit educated, drivel that daily manifests in this thread and concerned for the well-being of those that proselytize it.

                                                                  • 150. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                    Level 5

                                                                    maeric wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    Is GoLive a worthy application?

                                                                    Absolutely.

                                                                    maeric wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    How many of you still rely on it?

                                                                    I do. Daily.

                                                                    maeric wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    Would you want it to have a future if at all possible?

                                                                    Of course. But then there is that little thing called reality. Adobe only has the resources to develop one web design application. Expect the future to include GoLive features incorporated into DW/FW. The best way to encourage that future is here.

                                                                    • 151. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                      Buzzingbee Level 1

                                                                      I still use Golive to manage my sites. The Golive little bug makes all the difference to me. I can visually see if I have any broken links. That is something I have not been able to live without.

                                                                       

                                                                      Another feature I can't live without is the fact that you can go inside folders. Dreamweaver opens them in a hierarchy mode displaying everything at once. Golive allowed you to double click a folder and go inside that folder. When you have a large site that has a lot of smaller sites within it, with many index.html files it makes it much simpler to manage. I want to make sure that I don't overide the wrong document. I know that I could use the put and get buttons, but I like to do things manually. I trust it much more.

                                                                       

                                                                      I also liked having the separate folders to organize everything in and having a site trash. If I ever threw out a wrong file, it was still there and I could retreive it.

                                                                       

                                                                      I don't know if they have done these things to Dreamweaver CS5. I haven't seen it yet. I am going to donwload the trial to see what it is like.

                                                                      • 152. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                        MJVNYCMJV Level 1

                                                                        It doesn't make any sense what you say Marian. There is no way to keep using GoLive because CS2 doesn't work with Windows 7. Normally, this is the kind of thing that Adobe should fix but doesn't because they want to make you upgrade instead. But in this case, the won't fix it AND they won't offer an upgrade. It's just dead.

                                                                         

                                                                        I don't see how wanting to be able to continue using a program that is only a couple of years old makes me a troll.

                                                                        • 153. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                          Level 5

                                                                          It doesn't make any sense to think that you must upgrade to Windows 7 (I cannot confirm or deny that CS2 works in Windows 7).  No one is holding a gun to your head to upgrade Windows. If you are so dependent on GoLive, you can hang on to your old computer to keep it running. XP is not dead.

                                                                          Even CS5 is  compatible with XP.

                                                                           

                                                                          I use CS2 in XP,  Vista, and Tiger. Sometimes I run XP as a virtual machine in Linux. Someone else here claimed that they run CS2 directly in Linux via Wine. Some versions of Windows 7 include a XP VM built-in! If you don't have the higher-end versions of Windows 7, you can use a free VM like VMWare Player or VirtualBox to keep running XP forever.

                                                                           

                                                                          I never suggested you were a troll. You are consistently confused in the two posts you've made here but you are certainly no troll.

                                                                          • 154. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                            lagow

                                                                            sleekit wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            Not appreciated? - more like water in a desert! Like you, I've been deeply saddened by the soulless and arrogant, albeit educated, drivel that daily manifests in this thread and concerned for the well-being of those that proselytize it.

                                                                             

                                                                            Troll, go away until you have something useful to contribute.

                                                                            • 155. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                              ~Zip

                                                                              GoLive does NOT work with Windows 7. In fact CS2 does not work with Windows 7, and neither does any of my software programs. It's an absolute nightmare. I bought a great new computer with Windows 7 home pro pre-installed, then quickly upgraded to the pro edition so I could run it in XP Mode. Windows 7 would not accept the Adobe software, and then ADOBE would not recognize my registrations numbers and product ID numbers when it was running on the 7 platform. There is a special folder you have to make to install it, and since I am not "geeky" I called in an expert for help.

                                                                               

                                                                              He has been here three times and spent three days trying to get my CS2 and Macromedia Studio 8 working. Finally, he got it running in XP mode....EXCEPT running Windows 7 in XP mode only allows for 512mb or Ram, even though my computer has 6 gig avaialble. So running two programs (or more) on 7 causes freeze-ups and let me tell you, unless you are super-geek and have the Geek-God's approval, don't upgrade to Windows 7 if you plan to use any Adobe products. I've read that people are having the same problems with CS4, but I don't know about CS5.

                                                                               

                                                                              In fact, I tried to load some other programs, a CD burning one I prefer to use, and Windows 7 refused it. It had refused ALL of my current programs I have tried to load, so other than surfing the net, it's been useless for me so far.

                                                                               

                                                                              I may purchase a copy of XP and dump 7, the only reason I haven't so far is because I know the technology is moving forward, but it won't do me any good if I can't update my client's websites from my computer because someone "up there" decided to play incompatible.

                                                                              • 156. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                                sleekit Level 1

                                                                                Yes, you're right, I will.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Strange though, isn't it? - I was just thinking the same thing about you...

                                                                                • 157. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                                  Level 5

                                                                                  ~Zip wrote:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  ...only allows for 512mb or Ram.

                                                                                  That's a VM setting that can be changed. You may look to another expert for help.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  And if Windows 7's own VM for XP is not working the way you like, you can use the free VMWare Player or VirtualBox to run XP.

                                                                                  • 158. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                                    Buzzingbee Level 1

                                                                                    That's one thing about Macs, I am still running CS2 along with CS4 in my new iMac with Snow Leopard without a hitch.In fact, I find that Golive runs better on Snow Leopard than it ever did before. It is much more stable.  Heck! I am  still using fonts I bought in 1990. It always amazes me.

                                                                                    • 159. Re: Revive GoLive - Interested Parties Only
                                                                                      RSheasley Level 1

                                                                                      I have been following this thread since I commented that I still use GoLive and wish there would be some way to have Adobe quit pushing the Dreamweaver and other products as superior.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      First request is for this to stay on topic and quit the name calling- trolls or whatever.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Second item is the discussion that GoLive does and will not run on a Windows 7 computer- this is just plain wrong. I have a newer Windows 7 laptop that I have successfully installed the GoLive CS2 (8.01 version after checking online for updates) and it is running the same as it does on a Windows XP computer. There are only 2 issues that I have run into- first is the Adobe request each time the software started up after first being installed asking to register the software. I posted a thread on this in these forums  and even called Adobe Technical Support to see if they had ideas on getting this to stop. I reading though a number of other discussions on various Adobe Software (not just GoLive) this is a Windows 7 UAC - User Access Control issue. If you run the software as administrator then it will save the registration info and quit asking each and every time the software is launched. I am happy that there are these forums for open discussion, so that issues like this can be shared among the community when Adobe Tech Support will not even answer what turned out to be a simple question like the registration suppression issue.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      The second issue on the GoLive CS2 is with the Windows 7 display and Aero support. Since GoLive was long before the Vista and the first OS with support for Areo it will launch the software and Windows reports it is in Basic color scheme video mode. This runs in this mode until the GoLive Software is closed and then returns to the more advanced Aero Display Mode. I am not running the software in Windows XP compatibility mode, using any sort of Windows XP virtual machine (though The Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate both allow this under their licensing), just installed the original CD, activatated the software and started using it the same way I was under older Win XP computer systems. For those that are struggling on their own in trying to get Windows 7 computers to launch and run GoLive there should be a way for it to work and more details on what issues or errors you are encountering maybe could be posted in a new thread for sharing of GoLive under Windows 7. I however do not use each and every advanced feature of GoLive either.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Unfortunately as for the issue of Adobe starting up development (or even continuing to offer any tech support) of the GoLive software- probably will not happen. Only way their would be any new versions is if the code is put out in the Open Source Developers hands and offered up as some software that other software developers that have abandoned to the various packages and been generious enough to allow the software to be moved to the Open Source Community model. With Adobe they may though in fact think that this will in fact dip into their sales of Dreamweaver (I do not think it would as there are many other free open source html and website design packages out there now competing with the likes of Dreamweaver.)

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