Exactly my thoughts!
What really sux is that Dave at Syntrillium updated Cool Edit all the time -- and never charged extra until it was time for a major version change. Adobe bought it, renamed it, then ignored marketing and updating it. Au3 is CEP2 with some new plugins and a crapped up GUI.
Why did they take the icon toolbar away? Dipsticks.
The new plugins are very good, but Adobe didn't develop them, either, and they don't integrate as well as they might.
Icon Toolbar is still there if you enable it on in the View menu, Shortcut Bar.
Its also not very universal. I mean, universal with midi, and with VST plugins, (at least for me)
it is also a pain in the *** you cant drop a tempo change marker, and the c++ errors.
Although I love it for editing and mastering, so i guess that is the only reason i still use it as a multitrack DAW. If protools had an edit view and spectral analasys and a few more things like Adobe Id run it ALL the time, but Protools is very simple and will stay that way I belive. ******* Protools. but protools is so damn powerful when it comes to certain things, its deceiving, but my goto DAW is Adobe.
Well, that's it.
I just went out and purchased CAKEWALK Sonar 8.5 Producer. Once it ships to me, I'll be installing it on my Windows 7 64-bit, 8gb-Ram 2.66ghz-processor custom-built pc.
Sorry Audition. If/when you update, I MIGHT purchase the upgrade. It depends on how hard it is for me to re-create all my audition sessions in sonar. But if it works out, then I'll be staying at AA3 forever.
And it's all Adobe's fault.
Dear Adobe (and the Audition team specifically),
Essentially, a lot of us have been much more faithful to Adobe and Audition than you have been to us.
I was also a Cool Edit user, and was "forced" to transition to Audtion 1.0 which had fewer features and more bugs than the product I transitioned from. I have paid for every single upgrade - even the extremely buggy "joke" upgrade to Audition 2.0 which was completely unusable. And, like most users, I was very optimistic about the VSTi and addtional MIDI support promised in Audtion 3.0. And, also like most users, I was extremely disappointed with the many problems and limitations of the Audition 3.0 release. I have lost several sessions, many .WAV files, and lots of valuble MIDI data due to corruption by Audition 3.0/3.0.1.
I can no longer trust my session work to Audition - I use Cakewalk Sonar 8.x for all tracking and mixing. However, the editting and mastering tools in Audition 3.0.1 are great, but that's the extent of my work with Audition these days.
Is it really too much to ask of you to provide software releases and updates that can be trusted and also keeps up with technology (e.g. 64-bit)? As users, we want to know that our continued "investment" in your products through so many releases will be rewarded.
I am also one of those who hark back to CoolEdit days. Many moons ago, I used Cakewalk 9 for multitrack recoring until I
changed over to Audition and have upgraded and remained faithful to the Audition line ever since.
I am getting restless.
I need more features ... and a more reliable experience ... with my recording software. I thought AA3 was a great beginning, but it seems as if it was the end.
Has anyone heard anything about a later version upcoming? If I jump ship for something else, I won't be able to afford coming back.
I've been hanging in there, but ...
See this page:
"Adobe Audition for Mac, coming in a future release, will bring modern audio post-production to the platform of your choice. Familiar tools for audio editing, multitrack mixing and recording will meet expanded device support, greater workflow flexibility, and optimized performance. Plus, best-of-breed audio restoration tools make it easy to clean up production audio. With the essential tools you rely on for fast-turn projects, Audition for the Mac brings a fresh face to audio post-production.
We expect to make a public beta of Audition for the Mac available in Winter 2010."
Todd, That's all well and fine, but perhaps you didn't notice that everybody who has used Audition, and everybody who is annoyed at the lack of development, uses Windows? Thought I'd point that out.
Making Audition a Mac thing is okay, but how about making it a better Windows thing?
Any possibility that a new PC version will allow us to export track data (artist-title-track length) from a CD project as an RTF ( or something!) file so that we can import the data for CD labels and liner notes?
I'm sorry ... the article I read seems to be touting a MAC release. When I go to the Beta form, it says 'MAC'.
Perhaps a clearer write-up about a Windows release and an anticipated release date would be helpful?
I am a .NET/SQL Server developer and know that release dates can slip. But, if you guys don't even have a tentative release date, it must be pretty far down the line, correct? Is it even slated for release this year? Or, next?
Your post is appreciated, but gives us a pretty slim life-line.
I had a guy come into my home studio to do voice-overs for a video comercial. Even he has Audition. AA has a pretty big user base. But, it is getting a bit long in the tooth, now. It becomes even a bit embarrassing to be in brag disucssions about DAW these days. Everyone is so updated ... their DAW manufacturers offering new releases so frequently ... discussions about patches that enhance performance, reliability, etc.
One thing I noticed AA3 does to my Visa Ultimate Quad Core workstation with 8 GB of memory: if I load a live show (meaning long concert with lots of tracks), it will load until every drop of memory is consumed and the workstation is at a crawl. Then, it FINALLY seems to release processes enough to limp along overdubs. But, memory is still max utilized.
Are you guys developing a better way to utilize 64 bits and large memory ... one that does not load down the PC? To handle live concerts, I have to take perhaps an hour to load and stabilize my PC with the tracks, then split it up and save into individual songs, which also takes forever. (And which is, BTW, not a very intuitive process in itself with AA.)
Midi support is so dismal, I don't even use it in AA3.
There are lots of things I like about AA. I've kept using it because I use a suite of Adobe products. But, Adobe Audition should have been maturing ... not hiding out for the last few years. Ya know?
> Any possibility that a new PC version will allow us to export track data (artist-title-track length) from a CD project as an RTF ( or something!) file so that we can import the data for CD labels and liner notes?
If you are saying that the Windows release is due about when the MAC release is due, and with the feature-set described in the article for the MAC version, that is helpful.
Is this targeted for this year?
Is this targeted for this year?
No it isn't. There will be a public beta around the end of this year, but the release won't be until next year.
Okay, the press release perhaps wasn't the clearest thing in the world, but yes there will be a Windows version as well - of course there will be. Just think of the mutiny there would be otherwise! But with the best will in the world, to make Audition multi-platform requires yet another rewrite - from the ground up. And anybody thinking that this will be a quick and easy job is deluding themselves big-time.
I think that most of the participants in this thread should stop whinging and actually get on and do something... and that does not mean have a go at me, either.
Well, I'm one of the people who went out and did something; I bought a different DAW.
I've been messing around with Cakewalk's Sonar 8.5 Producer. My analysis:
Sonar is freakin' confusing.
I'm a professional audio engineer, in the business for over 10 years. I teach audio at a major NYC university. I'm telling you, Sonar is not user friendly. I bought it because it's supposed to have super-clean recording algorithms and 64-bit processing capabilities, and as far as I can tell, that's all true. But if you're looking for a DAW that you'll be able to just install and go (like AA3 or ProTools or even Logic), then stay away from Sonar... unless you have nothing to do for a year and you can devote yourself to learning it.
Does this mean I'm going back to AA3? Nope. I'm using Pro Tools M-Powered 8.0.3 for now. AA3 just doesn't have the MIDI capabilities or the stability that I need.
So, now onto my continued rant against AA3...
I've watched, rewatched and re-rewatched the videos about AA coming to Mac. That's wonderful. But I promise you, unless this new AA has vast improvement over v3, all that's going to happen is that Mac-heads are gonna flood the forums with the SAME EXACT complaints that we've been saying for years (improve the MIDI capabilities. Improve the stability. Give us a 64-bit version), except with the Mac-heads it'll be different. Instead of doing what we're doing and sitting on our hands, scowering the forums for the slightest sign of an update, the Mac-heads are just gonna say "screw it, I'm buying Logic. I KNOW Logic will work with my mac."
FULLY agree with You!
First Logic Audio (sold to Apple) and now Audition3, same thing is happen again for me.
Logic for Windows users kicking out in the cold, and now Audition3 seems to be version 3 for ever.
I can not sit down and wait for Adobe to update the MIDI function, I want to make music.
Switched to Cakewalks SONAR 8.5 for a month ago.
Thats it, happy composing!
I've abandoned Audition for MIDI. When I want to do MIDI, I import Audition audio mixdowns into Reaper and do the MIDI in Reaper. I'm also looking into editing MIDI in FL Studio cuz it's piano roll is a familiar environment for me. I'm happy enough with that. I've been encouraged by people who know more about this than me that to expect one program to do everything is a bit unrealistic. But if it turns out that Version 4 DOES do MIDI and DOES take advantage of Win7/64-bit capacity, I'll be back inside Audition and only Audition in a heartbeat.
I guess the biggest disappointment for me is that AA 4 for Mac is what Adobe is excited about, hence putting all the time into it. Since all users currently are PC, why should we be waylaid by the construction of the Mac version? Certainly we're a captive audience, which is pretty insulting to the user base that put AA where it is. AA 4 for PC doesn't require the necessary development required for Mac and therefore stands to reason the PC version should theoretically be ready sooner. It's impossible to deny Adobe's showing exclusive interest purely where a new market stands to bring more revenue, rather than simply providing the current legion of supporters the functions first, then introduce it to Mac (on their time). Nothing against Mac, it's great to see AA go dual platform. It's the idea Adobe buys new furniture and rolls out the red carpet for Mac, while we're expected not to come out of the old house until they have their grand opening celebration. That's corporate infidelity I suppose. Hardly makes me want to kiss and make up later. It's not really about how long, but why. An interesting dichotomy in similar situations, when one calls foul or claims to feel cheated when the action of one side denies the other what they think they should get. As obscure the point may be (or unless you're a whore; Def. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain), that principle works both ways ;-)
Your credentials dictate that you be a bit more thoughtful when you post regarding what does and does not work for you. Everyone has different strengths and weakneses. I understand that you have had great dificulty wrapping your mind around Sonar as you have stated. I for one was able to very comfortably use Sonar from the very first time I opened it back in 2004 with Sonar producer 3.0.
I am a new person here and am only here to see what type of comunity I will be part of if I decide to purchase this Audition CS5 software I am trying out.
I am unhappy with Sonar these days because of the amount of bugs and errors in the latest release; It has become unuseable for me and I need something else quickly. I have issues with Sonar (as do most users who upgraded) relating to coding, not the GUI or workflow.
Anyway the point I am making is if you are going to offer up your opinions and credentials to support your opinions then why not include some truth about it being YOUR experience and not imply that most will share your inability to understand Sonar. My knowledge of the vast population using Cakewalk Sonar is that workflow and ease of use is one of it's greatest strengths. I understand that is not YOUR experience but until further notice that doesn't make it so for others.