38 Replies Latest reply on Jul 17, 2008 11:09 AM by Newsgroup_User

    The future of Director?

    Micke©
      Dear community...

      Between 92-00 I was a developer and created a lot of kiosk and CD applications. It was a lot to do and during that time it was a lot of fun to get into lingo, the possibilities and handling solutions to customers. Director was alive and well. Creative seminars (Terry Schlusser) was inidicating that it was nice to be a devloper and so to speak "the-sky-is-the-limit" for what one was able to do. I also developed a CD-title of my own that wasn't out of the market last year. Developed 1993 and still on market 2007 wasn't that bad? ;) .

      Anyhow, when things changed and the mastodont wanna-be-greatest companies in Sweden just popped in 2000 I lost my job and had to do other things. The web, Flash that was faster on the web (but by then far as interactive as lingo OOPs supported Director apps but that might have changed .- don't know that much about Flash developing now days to tell) made me a bit worried beeing an "expert" on something that might be forgotten in the fast speed of that business. Then there was no market for a Senoir Director Developer and since then I've just done some small updates for old customers and small apps for my own enjoyment (and to try to be somewhat in touch if Adobe suddenly did something with the product that might point to some "future").

      For the first time in years I adress a forum discussing "my" main app for professional use. Just to hear what other collegues might know or guess in the subject of Director. Having read some of the topics here today it seems like most of you guess that there will be no future together with Adobe anyhow.

      Thinking about how to relate to Director and some plans of perhaps update my old title and try to sell it with a new modern "face" (perhaps as a web-subscrption Shockwave service instead of the old CD distribution) I just wonder if it is realistic to put my efforts in... Upgrade from my MX version and start putting hours of work or not?'

      Just unsorted thoughts of mine and would welcome some reflections and/or discussion. Is there any use in the future of digging into Lingoscripting and be creative within the Director platform or not? What do you think? What would you wish? My own reflection is that apps you can do isn't out-dated in terms of interactivity and learning just because the market like us to buy new technique once a year... A good idea that works can be simple in tech but appeal to people anyhow. But will Director still be a tool to create such apps with? Beeing carried away with all my thoughts I guess I better stop and listen to you...

      Regards
      Micke
        • 1. Re: The future of Director?
          Level 7
          > Is there any use in the future of digging into Lingoscripting and
          > be creative within the Director platform or not?

          Ok, here is another way to see things:
          The platform is the OS, (win/osx), not the tool you use to develop an app.
          Leaving internet content and market trends aside, no matter what
          tool/language you use, for the end-user, it's all the same.
          So, the question for the developer is, if the tools he is using and is
          familiar with, are the best for the job.
          To answer this question, you'll have to consider
          A. the requirements of the projects you are working/can work on
          B. stability
          C. performance.
          D. development time

          Personally, I'd grade Director as:
          D: great,
          C: good - excellent, depending on the project/xtras,
          B: descent,
          A: limited.

          At this point, I have to clarify that, unlike the majority of the list
          members, I see Director as a RAD tool, comparing it to VB, java and managed
          C++ apps (which is what director is, actually), rather than flash.
          Leaving D, C and B aside (B, since with the use of descent libraries
          (xtras), director can be as fast as any unmanaged C++ app), let's have a
          look at A, Limited.
          Director simply lacks the system integration / networking features that are
          required by a majority of serious applications. As it seems, developers ask
          for more flash-like/authoring tool oriented features/improvements. I always
          was interested in more professional ones. I can't see why it is ok to build
          commercial apps with VB or java, but not with Director. As for new
          features.. A large number of c++ developers still prefer working with vc6
          (release date 1998) than the .net versions. Since I started using director
          as a frontend/media packager for custom made c++ code, I have little
          interest in mm/adobe's new features. I prefer the 04's environment, but
          other than that, any version after 8 is the same for my needs. So, even if
          adobe does pull the plug -that I personally find unlikely to do-, I see no
          reason to stop using Director, since it is by far the faster development
          tool for me, and I now have all the features and performance I need for
          demanding apps, packed in a single Xtra.


          "Micke?" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
          news:g578uf$hmf$1@forums.macromedia.com...
          > Dear community...
          >
          > Between 92-00 I was a developer and created a lot of kiosk and CD
          > applications. It was a lot to do and during that time it was a lot of fun
          > to
          > get into lingo, the possibilities and handling solutions to customers.
          > Director
          > was alive and well. Creative seminars (Terry Schlusser) was inidicating
          > that it
          > was nice to be a devloper and so to speak "the-sky-is-the-limit" for what
          > one
          > was able to do. I also developed a CD-title of my own that wasn't out of
          > the
          > market last year. Developed 1993 and still on market 2007 wasn't that bad?
          > ;) .
          >
          > Anyhow, when things changed and the mastodont wanna-be-greatest companies
          > in
          > Sweden just popped in 2000 I lost my job and had to do other things. The
          > web,
          > Flash that was faster on the web (but by then far as interactive as lingo
          > OOPs
          > supported Director apps but that might have changed .- don't know that
          > much
          > about Flash developing now days to tell) made me a bit worried beeing an
          > "expert" on something that might be forgotten in the fast speed of that
          > business. Then there was no market for a Senoir Director Developer and
          > since
          > then I've just done some small updates for old customers and small apps
          > for my
          > own enjoyment (and to try to be somewhat in touch if Adobe suddenly did
          > something with the product that might point to some "future").
          >
          > For the first time in years I adress a forum discussing "my" main app for
          > professional use. Just to hear what other collegues might know or guess in
          > the
          > subject of Director. Having read some of the topics here today it seems
          > like
          > most of you guess that there will be no future together with Adobe anyhow.
          >
          > Thinking about how to relate to Director and some plans of perhaps update
          > my
          > old title and try to sell it with a new modern "face" (perhaps as a
          > web-subscrption Shockwave service instead of the old CD distribution) I
          > just
          > wonder if it is realistic to put my efforts in... Upgrade from my MX
          > version
          > and start putting hours of work or not?'
          >
          > Just unsorted thoughts of mine and would welcome some reflections and/or
          > discussion. Is there any use in the future of digging into Lingoscripting
          > and
          > be creative within the Director platform or not? What do you think? What
          > would
          > you wish? My own reflection is that apps you can do isn't out-dated in
          > terms of
          > interactivity and learning just because the market like us to buy new
          > technique
          > once a year... A good idea that works can be simple in tech but appeal to
          > people anyhow. But will Director still be a tool to create such apps with?
          > Beeing carried away with all my thoughts I guess I better stop and listen
          > to
          > you...
          >
          > Regards
          > Micke
          >



          • 2. Re: The future of Director?
            Level 7
            Dear All,

            The lack of system integration, what seems to be the most fundamental
            problem of Director, is in fact caused by its cross-platform background.
            Having a tool for two so much different operating systems we actually
            lack most crucial features of each one. And now, when OS Controls Xtra
            is gone in Dir 11 - it's a disaster. Luck of basic interface controls in
            RAD application means... it's not a RAD application any more!

            My advice - look closer at Quest 3D. Not so much media support, not so
            many plugins, but... What it does - it does very well. Having proper
            handling of limited number of media types it delivers what it is
            supposed to.

            Director is 'kaput'. I see no Adobe's determination to make it fresh
            again. I only see... some hesitation... Kill it right away or invest a
            little and collect some money from die-hard idiots?

            I see Unicode support what cannot be called "amazing" in 2008 but...
            Having text fields kerning/adjusting still faulty the whole feature is
            useless again. I see 3D engine "fossil" old. I see 2D handling oldschool
            - not hardware accelerated...

            My godness - Director is a pile of sentimental rubbish... It does nearly
            everything... but... BAD !!!

            A good programmer can still get a lot of it but... Why to bother? -
            There are so many great programming tools nowdays. Less "omnipotent" but
            better specialised. Actually - doing better job. And at least
            programmer/developer market value is recognized. 'Ajax specialist' - wow
            - a great collegue today! A 'Director developer'... hmm, what this
            elderly guy is doing - why not yet retired?

            Sorry - I lost my commitment to Director already. I like it. I know it.
            I understand it by heart. But this is like 'zombie application'. Do not
            trash your money for it - learn some new thing!

            It's enough of asking: "what good can you do for Director"?
            It's the moment to ask: "what good Director can do for you"?

            Dear Alchemist - you are a great guy and I love your multiuser stuff
            but... Honestly speaking - do you still believe in Director's future???

            Rgs,
            Ziggi
            • 3. Re: The future of Director?
              Level 7
              > Dear Alchemist...
              > Honestly speaking - do you still believe in Director's future???

              Actually, Ziggi, I'm building it... Ok, attempting to.
              Have a look at:
              http://xtrema.rtr.gr/xtrema.htm
              http://xtrema.rtr.gr/cDocs/?trg=1,0 (old docs)

              > There are so many great programming tools nowdays. Less "omnipotent" but
              > better specialised.
              http://xtrema.rtr.gr/beta/xSocket.htm
              http://xtrema.rtr.gr/beta/xNetCommands.htm

              If you bother to browse the above links -that refer to just a portion of the
              project (3 / ~30 objects) - you'll may find that a number of the points you
              mention are covered.
              If it was Adobe developing this, then we'd probably be talking about
              Director Pro. Now that is me, it's just an Xtra that may, or may not be
              released.


              "Ziggi" <ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl> wrote in message
              news:g58mde$5i6$1@forums.macromedia.com...
              > Dear All,
              >
              > The lack of system integration, what seems to be the most fundamental
              > problem of Director, is in fact caused by its cross-platform background.
              > Having a tool for two so much different operating systems we actually lack
              > most crucial features of each one. And now, when OS Controls Xtra is gone
              > in Dir 11 - it's a disaster. Luck of basic interface controls in RAD
              > application means... it's not a RAD application any more!
              >
              > My advice - look closer at Quest 3D. Not so much media support, not so
              > many plugins, but... What it does - it does very well. Having proper
              > handling of limited number of media types it delivers what it is supposed
              > to.
              >
              > Director is 'kaput'. I see no Adobe's determination to make it fresh
              > again. I only see... some hesitation... Kill it right away or invest a
              > little and collect some money from die-hard idiots?
              >
              > I see Unicode support what cannot be called "amazing" in 2008 but...
              > Having text fields kerning/adjusting still faulty the whole feature is
              > useless again. I see 3D engine "fossil" old. I see 2D handling oldschool -
              > not hardware accelerated...
              >
              > My godness - Director is a pile of sentimental rubbish... It does nearly
              > everything... but... BAD !!!
              >
              > A good programmer can still get a lot of it but... Why to bother? - There
              > are so many great programming tools nowdays. Less "omnipotent" but better
              > specialised. Actually - doing better job. And at least
              > programmer/developer market value is recognized. 'Ajax specialist' - wow -
              > a great collegue today! A 'Director developer'... hmm, what this elderly
              > guy is doing - why not yet retired?
              >
              > Sorry - I lost my commitment to Director already. I like it. I know it. I
              > understand it by heart. But this is like 'zombie application'. Do not
              > trash your money for it - learn some new thing!
              >
              > It's enough of asking: "what good can you do for Director"?
              > It's the moment to ask: "what good Director can do for you"?
              >
              > Dear Alchemist - you are a great guy and I love your multiuser stuff
              > but... Honestly speaking - do you still believe in Director's future???
              >
              > Rgs,
              > Ziggi


              • 4. Re: The future of Director?
                Level 7
                > If it was Adobe developing this, then we'd probably be talking about
                > Director Pro. Now that is me, it's just an Xtra that may, or may not be
                > released.

                Bloody hell - you are a great guy, Alchemist. I know a bit of Xtrema - I
                hold it in my "special stuff" corner.

                But - are you recognized by Adobe? I doubt so... This means - they are
                missing a talent. But it also means - a talent is loosing its time...

                Respect- Alchemist!
                Ziggi
                • 5. Re: The future of Director?
                  Level 7
                  > But - are you recognized by Adobe?
                  Can't get recognized till you have something to get recognized for. And
                  Xtrema is still work in progress.

                  > But it also means - a talent is loosing its time...
                  'loosing', as not 'turning time into financial profit', or 'loosing' as not
                  living?
                  You see, after some soul searching, I concluded that one of the reasons that
                  I never published the complete parts of the Xtra was the chance of morale
                  impact by low recognition / sales, that would probably lead to halting the
                  project (as a director Xtra at least). Somewhere along the way, this evolved
                  to a personal challenge - a quest I had the luxury to afford thanks to the
                  earnings of previous, childish in comparison, but profitable projects.
                  Meeting ones personal goals is one thing. Making a profit is another - at
                  least in my case. And far as the Xtra is concerned, I'm still working on the
                  first part. Even if this turns out to be a major failure if judged as a
                  'product'... well, it was never treated as one.


                  "Ziggi" <ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl> wrote in message
                  news:g590n6$fo4$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                  >> If it was Adobe developing this, then we'd probably be talking about
                  >> Director Pro. Now that is me, it's just an Xtra that may, or may not be
                  >> released.
                  >
                  > Bloody hell - you are a great guy, Alchemist. I know a bit of Xtrema - I
                  > hold it in my "special stuff" corner.
                  >
                  > But - are you recognized by Adobe? I doubt so... This means - they are
                  > missing a talent. But it also means - a talent is loosing its time...
                  >
                  > Respect- Alchemist!
                  > Ziggi


                  • 6. Re: The future of Director?
                    Level 7
                    Ziggi wrote:

                    > Director is 'kaput'. I see no Adobe's determination to make it fresh
                    > again. I only see... some hesitation... Kill it right away or invest a
                    > little and collect some money from die-hard idiots?

                    Hi Ziggi,

                    Director is still a very strong program that has value to many types of
                    applications today. I agree that Director has fallen behind in many areas
                    and Adobe must show their commitment to the product in the way they update
                    and market it. I've said this a few times before. It was Macromedia that
                    dropped the ball on Director, passing on Adobe a product that had been
                    falling out of step with current technology. Adobe need at least 2 versions
                    to prove they can bring Director to the forefront. Director 11 was their
                    first version - built by a new team with little historical knowledge of the
                    product, and dealing with new Operating Systems and an old codebase. D12 (or
                    whatever it will be called) will need to show strong steps forward in key
                    areas like 3D. Adobe are working on the next version of Director. They have
                    said this publically. Unfortunately, we haven't been given detailed info on
                    what this new version will be. However, you can only come to the conclusion
                    of Director being 'kaput' when wither Adobe say there will be no future
                    versions or the next version fails miserably in addressing any needs of
                    users. I still believe that Director can be revived by Adobe and can come
                    into line of the other Adobe products. It won't happen overnight.

                    regards
                    Dean

                    Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
                    http://www.deansdirectortutorials.com/
                    http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                    email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au

                    • 7. Re: The future of Director?
                      Production Monkey Level 3
                      “However, you can only come to the conclusion of Director being 'kaput' when Adobe say there will be no future versions or the next version fails miserably in addressing any needs of users. I still believe that Director can be revived by Adobe and can come into line of the other Adobe products.”

                      I humbly disagree. Director as of this moment is Dead. By “dead” I mean there is no market for Director developers. If experience developers like myself can not find gainful employment, why would anyone one want to invest the time to learn this program? You would be plainly stupid or delusional to think that developing an expertise in Director would be beneficial to your career.

                      Back in 2003 a colleague taught a class in Director with about 20 students attending. The next fall, 2004, so few students signed up they cancelled the class. Students are not stupid. If something has no future, why learn it. If it has no future then it is effectively dead. What do the kids at your school invest their time in learning? I bet it’s Flash. Maybe some AJAX and other web technologies. Director is not something they want to put on their resume. It won’t get them a job.

                      I have been bemoaning the imminent death of Director since 2002. It was obvious way back then that Macromedia lost its passion for Director with Flash gleaming in its eye. I used to call MX 2004, “The worst upgrade ever.” That has changed. Anyhow, the many years of neglect have taken their toll. It would take a massive effort to bring this product up-to-date. Moving all development to India suggests that, that will not happen. Do you really expect to see Director CS4, or CS5? It’s a side project - outside their main lineup. They handed it to the “B” team.

                      Why they currently work on it is a mystery. A mystery we won’t know the answer to until about the fall of 2010 – I figure they will come out with a patch this fall and then add a couple years for the new features. By then most of the remaining few experienced Director developers will have moved on to Flash-Flex-AIR or wood working in order to eat and pay rent, and there won’t be any kids fresh out of school with any knowledge of Director, so who cares. D11 was too little and too broken to save it. It is dead for now.

                      Basically, companies don’t use it so current developers have to move on to other technologies and there is no reason for anyone new to learn this product. Adobe can come out with a patch or a new version, but it does not change the facts on the ground. Very few people currently use it and over time fewer and fewer will. Once again, that effectively means Director is dead.

                      On a positive note: I love Director. The speed at which I can create prototypes, games, demos, tools, interactive 3d, etc… is amazing. I don’t know of anything out there that can compare with the speed and ease of creating interactive multimedia that Director delivers. However, I’m currently studying Flex, AS3, and AIR. I need steady work. I can not afford to be a martyr for Director. I can not sit around chanting, “If I’m patient and I believe, it will come. A new version will descend down from the mountain and the darkness will lift. The new version will contain all the things mentioned in Skip’s April fools joke and then the world will see the light. And as the phone rings off the hook with six digit consulting contracts, all will rejoice.”


                      Micke,

                      I suggest you re-build your program in Flex and AIR. If it sells well, great. If it does not, then at least you will have a marketable skill set.
                      • 8. Re: The future of Director?
                        Level 7
                        Apologies to Princess Bride-

                        Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your
                        friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly
                        dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.

                        I prefer to think of Director as slightly alive. I am gainfully
                        employed doing 40+ hrs a week of almost entirely Director work. I
                        primarily use MX 2004 since there is very little that D11 brings to the
                        party and D10 works just fine on modern machines. I did have to do a
                        project that required unicode, so I gave D11 a shot. If you work around
                        its foibles, it isn't so bad. My project did not display any text on
                        the screen, only graphics, but I needed Unicode text in popup windows
                        and OS Unicode filename support (for the Greek version of a program I
                        had made).

                        D11 has major issues, but they are not insurmountable. Once they fix
                        the text engine and the associated message window issues, then it will
                        be useful. Hopefully that will happen in the promised patch later this
                        year. If not, D10 will continue to work just fine until Macs stop
                        shipping with Rosetta or some future version of Windows changes the exe
                        format.
                        • 9. Re: The future of Director?
                          Nanomedia Level 1
                          quote:

                          Originally posted by: Production Monkey
                          Director as of this moment is dead. By “dead” I mean there is no market for Director developers.
                          If experience developers like myself can not find gainful employment, why would anyone one want to invest the time to learn this program?


                          Director is not dead at all.
                          http://groups.google.com/group/dirgamedevlist/browse_thread/thread/aac89d2941468171
                          The main question is what do you mean with "experience developers" ...
                          • 10. Re: The future of Director?
                            Level 7
                            Dear Alchemist,

                            Please understand me well. I am sure you will complete your amazing
                            Xtrema networking xtra. I also understand your interest in Director -
                            this is still a nice piece of software!

                            But in my opinion it miss' some critical functionality what renders it
                            "poor" as for up-to-date standards.

                            Perhaps one day Adobe will implement these features but now there are
                            other software packages doing better job. And their producers draw clear
                            vision of product development, what is not the point in case of Adobe
                            and Director.

                            Beast regards,
                            Ziggi
                            • 11. Re: The future of Director?
                              Production Monkey Level 3
                              Don't cry for me Argentina.......I'm do'in just fine.
                              • 12. Re: The future of Director?
                                Level 7
                                > I am sure you will complete your networking xtra....
                                Ehm... Seems you missed me... Networking is just a part of the Xtra - and
                                one that is already finished ;-).
                                It's the rest of the "critical functionality" i'm working on... And that
                                includes replacements/additions for the core objects (new strings, lists,
                                dates, 64bit integers...), well as system functions, os controls and player
                                enhancements (new input events, cpu usage optimization...).
                                However, since my idea of the desired feature set is subjective, I'd be
                                quite interested in seeing a list of stuff that you -or any developer-
                                believe director needs in order to qualify as an up to date tool.
                                You can drop me a mail at : rtr dot gr, account: info.

                                "Ziggi" <ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl> wrote in message
                                news:g5bj8j$98k$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                > Dear Alchemist,
                                >
                                > Please understand me well. I am sure you will complete your amazing Xtrema
                                > networking xtra. I also understand your interest in Director - this is
                                > still a nice piece of software!
                                >
                                > But in my opinion it miss' some critical functionality what renders it
                                > "poor" as for up-to-date standards.
                                >
                                > Perhaps one day Adobe will implement these features but now there are
                                > other software packages doing better job. And their producers draw clear
                                > vision of product development, what is not the point in case of Adobe and
                                > Director.
                                >
                                > Beast regards,
                                > Ziggi


                                • 13. Re: The future of Director?
                                  Level 7
                                  Oh!

                                  I did not realized you are going to write half of Director from scratch!

                                  Alchemist - I wish you good luck and please - have a look at 2D hardware
                                  acceleration. Current stage composition engine does not use GPU
                                  capabilities at all what results in nasty animations: juggy, V-sync
                                  thorn, slow, not-antialiased, etc. In my humble opinion Director 2D
                                  engine is today a pile of rubbish. One can't compensate its poor
                                  performance with sophisticated imaging Lingo or Flash filters.
                                  Director's 2D graphics engine must be improved or... the whole product
                                  must be trashed into garbage like and old ***. Simply speaking - we are
                                  not martyrs any more.

                                  Best regards,
                                  Ziggi
                                  • 14. Re: The future of Director?
                                    wgb14
                                    Hi all,

                                    I have one simple question. You are keep saying that Director is not up to date etc, but apart from Flash is there currently any other tool that allows you to do what Director does? Please don't tell me about the .NET IDEs. I would like to know about tools that allow me to create a simple application with minimal coding. Please if you have any suggestions let me know!
                                    • 15. Re: The future of Director?
                                      Level 7
                                      This is the problem with complaints in general: people's pet peeves tend
                                      to get blown out of proportion and scare other (newer) users.
                                      I would recommend taking everything said here with a grain of salt. Part
                                      of the problem is that Adobe doesn't monitor this forum, or if they do
                                      it's a best sporadic, so all of the complaining is falling on deaf ears
                                      (save the aforementioned newer users...)
                                      • 16. Re: The future of Director?
                                        Micke© Level 1
                                        Lot's of fuel to a discussion and I read with interest. Get a little temperature of differents views and yes Sean... ...a bit of salt is used. Would be refreshing though if Adobe made some statement of substance to guide all of us (even if we certainly are no majority these days.

                                        As many have stated Director is a great tool to get things happen quite fast. I'm not primarly a game developer, more of info-/edutainment one and I am not allways that interested in possiblities of real-time 3D-rendering and what it might be. Found the power of Lingo as OOPs and used it to build dynamic apps that well suited their purposes. Interactive learning with brain and I guess the ask for my titel (wich is about recognizing bird calls in primar in a fun way) even though it was more than ten years old proves that a good idea sells more than rushing forward with technology every time.

                                        But still, even to a quite simple idea to come through there are questions about compability and adption, for example to transfer a pure CD/local comp use to a Internet service. In that a relayable connection to a server based database (started to build a Access DB to track all my bird facts an get it multi-langual) will be easy to update, adress and retrieve from and stable on the server platform as a ShockWave app.

                                        My choice in a near future is to decide whethe to strat putting in hours in developing and search for Xtras that do the thing I wish to do. I've got a couple of interesting views and I thank you for that. My hope is that it still be a product of use so all those hours generated some knowledge I still can have use of...

                                        I am a little too "senior" and have another job so I guess my motivation of learning new apps is limited. It might happen but probably theres a need for some "mentor" to get right to it and understand what I can do, find an app that is related to my specific needs (without having the trouble to learn things I never will have use of) and so on...

                                        So if there was a new Director that still had enough of it's own soul left I find the way a little more pleasant to take and get my thing together. It's a nice app and really would like to make a second generation of the old one. People ask for it and it's my ambition to put it together if the circumstances are right...

                                        Thanks so far...
                                        • 17. Re: The future of Director?
                                          wgb14 Level 1
                                          My question still stands. You are saying that director is old, perhaps out of date, etc etc, but can someone suggest a specific package that does something similar? Flash is OK, but I find it more of an artist tool rather than a programmer tool. Or perhaps do I have to learn .NET to be up to date with the current technology? So far I find director to be the best tool for application development and prototyping, but I am a bit worried about its future. So what do you really suggest as an alternative if Director dies becuase I personally haven't found anything so far.

                                          • 18. Re: The future of Director?
                                            Necromanthus Level 2
                                            quote:

                                            Originally posted by: Sean Wilson
                                            This is the problem with complaints in general: people's pet peeves tend
                                            to get blown out of proportion and scare other (newer) users.
                                            I would recommend taking everything said here with a grain of salt.


                                            That's the dark side.
                                            But here is the light one: they cannot complain about something "dead".


                                            quote:

                                            Originally posted by: Sean Wilson
                                            Part of the problem is that Adobe doesn't monitor this forum, or if they do
                                            it's a best sporadic, so all of the complaining is falling on deaf ears
                                            (save the aforementioned newer users...)


                                            I bet many Adobe folks are monitoring this forum every day.
                                            But it seems they're shocked by this wave of bugs & complaints.
                                            ;)


                                            • 19. Re: The future of Director?
                                              Level 7
                                              > I did not realized you are going to write half of Director from scratch!
                                              That's not (exactly) what I'm doing. Anyways, the time for the first public
                                              beta seems closer than ever, so just keep monitoring the list, case you are
                                              interested in giving it a try.

                                              > juggy, V-sync thorn, slow, not-antialiased, etc.
                                              I remember your complains about the 'tearing' issue some years ago - and I
                                              see
                                              you insist on adding the 'h' ;-)

                                              > please - have a look at 2D hardware acceleration.
                                              > In my humble opinion Director 2D engine is today a pile of rubbish.
                                              Quite offensive an opinion to be humble, don't you think?
                                              I happen to disagree with you on this one. Partly at least. You see,
                                              director provides the necessary info to 3rd party Xtras to perform hardware
                                              assisted drawing on the stage or other window. For now, I guess it would be
                                              better to skip the tech details that would explain why, though the option is
                                              available, it is not always possible to use hardware accelerated 2d drawing
                                              in an app such as director. I'll examine such stuff in depth soon as resume
                                              working on a new image object & member the xtra will contain. I speculate
                                              that fixing the tearing issue / adding vsync playback option that is,
                                              shouldn't be such big a task for the dev team. Not high on their to do list
                                              though, I'd guess, so, I'll try to give it a shot.

                                              > the whole product must be trashed into garbage like and old ***. Simply
                                              > speaking - we are not martyrs any more.
                                              Ziggi, just because it's you, I'll pretend I never read the above lines.

                                              But, it gives me a good opportunity to encourage members of the list that do
                                              find director to be a valuable tool to post in such a manner that will
                                              revert the negative climate concerning it's future. You see, new features
                                              will come long as there are enough clients to justify the cost. And how do
                                              you think potential director users that join the list to face a dozen of
                                              'director is dead' or similar posts are affected?



                                              "Ziggi" <ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl> wrote in message
                                              news:g5e490$24l$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                              > Oh!
                                              >
                                              > I did not realized you are going to write half of Director from scratch!
                                              >
                                              > Alchemist - I wish you good luck and please - have a look at 2D hardware
                                              > acceleration. Current stage composition engine does not use GPU
                                              > capabilities at all what results in nasty animations: juggy, V-sync thorn,
                                              > slow, not-antialiased, etc. In my humble opinion Director 2D engine is
                                              > today a pile of rubbish. One can't compensate its poor performance with
                                              > sophisticated imaging Lingo or Flash filters. Director's 2D graphics
                                              > engine must be improved or... the whole product must be trashed into
                                              > garbage like and old ***. Simply speaking - we are not martyrs any more.
                                              >
                                              > Best regards,
                                              > Ziggi


                                              • 20. Re: The future of Director?
                                                Level 7
                                                x86 is old, c++ is old, vb is old, mp3 is old... Come to think of it, so are
                                                diamonds...
                                                Good points wgb14 (any relation to netgear??). Neither have I.


                                                "wgb14" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                news:g5fp1n$qte$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                > My question still stands. You are saying that director is old, perhaps out
                                                > of
                                                > date, etc etc, but can someone suggest a specific package that does
                                                > something
                                                > similar? Flash is OK, but I find it more of an artist tool rather than a
                                                > programmer tool. Or perhaps do I have to learn .NET to be up to date with
                                                > the
                                                > current technology? So far I find director to be the best tool for
                                                > application
                                                > development and prototyping, but I am a bit worried about its future. So
                                                > what
                                                > do you really suggest as an alternative if Director dies becuase I
                                                > personally
                                                > haven't found anything so far.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >



                                                • 21. Re: The future of Director?
                                                  Level 7

                                                  > Ziggi, just because it's you, I'll pretend I never read the above lines.

                                                  Alchemis, after some time of reflection - I appologize.
                                                  Indeed - this might sound too pessimistic for a developer. And I really
                                                  regret you are not part of the Adobe team, Alchemist! More people like
                                                  you, and Director would be a shining star again... I think I am really
                                                  frustrated by Macromedia/Adobe policy. I know a bit about American
                                                  obsessions about lawsuits for whatever reason etc... but why, why the
                                                  hell Adobe continue the nasty strategy of non disclosing a single word
                                                  about Director development? Why we are not informed about features of
                                                  upcoming update? What is the purpose?

                                                  Anyway - I cross fingers for Xtrema!!!

                                                  Rgs,
                                                  Ziggi

                                                  PS

                                                  And last but not least - I recall from the past that implementation of
                                                  v-sync mechanism in Director was actually not that simple... There was
                                                  some major obstacle preventing people from doing it.

                                                  And about hardware acceleration... Hmm, I do not know much about MacOS
                                                  side but at least in case of Windows DirectDraw viewport should work in
                                                  my opinion...
                                                  • 22. Re: The future of Director?
                                                    Level 7

                                                    http://xtrema.rtr.gr/beta/vSyncTest.zip
                                                    Just click on the vsync check box, to enable/disable vertical
                                                    synchronization.

                                                    First attempt, far from perfect, but shows it could work.
                                                    Can't be sure till I have tested performance decrease, possible side
                                                    effects, test various sync methods to find the optimal etc..
                                                    Btw, doing all of the above is not currently on the top of my to-do list
                                                    either... Guess it will have to wait till i start working on the xwindow
                                                    object - a weeks or so from now, if things go as planned.


                                                    "alchemist" <unknown@domain.com> wrote in message
                                                    news:g5g4s3$a6f$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                    >> I did not realized you are going to write half of Director from scratch!
                                                    > That's not (exactly) what I'm doing. Anyways, the time for the first
                                                    > public beta seems closer than ever, so just keep monitoring the list, case
                                                    > you are interested in giving it a try.
                                                    >
                                                    >> juggy, V-sync thorn, slow, not-antialiased, etc.
                                                    > I remember your complains about the 'tearing' issue some years ago - and I
                                                    > see
                                                    > you insist on adding the 'h' ;-)
                                                    >
                                                    >> please - have a look at 2D hardware acceleration.
                                                    >> In my humble opinion Director 2D engine is today a pile of rubbish.
                                                    > Quite offensive an opinion to be humble, don't you think?
                                                    > I happen to disagree with you on this one. Partly at least. You see,
                                                    > director provides the necessary info to 3rd party Xtras to perform
                                                    > hardware assisted drawing on the stage or other window. For now, I guess
                                                    > it would be better to skip the tech details that would explain why, though
                                                    > the option is available, it is not always possible to use hardware
                                                    > accelerated 2d drawing in an app such as director. I'll examine such stuff
                                                    > in depth soon as resume working on a new image object & member the xtra
                                                    > will contain. I speculate that fixing the tearing issue / adding vsync
                                                    > playback option that is, shouldn't be such big a task for the dev team.
                                                    > Not high on their to do list though, I'd guess, so, I'll try to give it a
                                                    > shot.
                                                    >
                                                    >> the whole product must be trashed into garbage like and old ***. Simply
                                                    >> speaking - we are not martyrs any more.
                                                    > Ziggi, just because it's you, I'll pretend I never read the above lines.
                                                    >
                                                    > But, it gives me a good opportunity to encourage members of the list that
                                                    > do find director to be a valuable tool to post in such a manner that will
                                                    > revert the negative climate concerning it's future. You see, new features
                                                    > will come long as there are enough clients to justify the cost. And how do
                                                    > you think potential director users that join the list to face a dozen of
                                                    > 'director is dead' or similar posts are affected?
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > "Ziggi" <ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl> wrote in message
                                                    > news:g5e490$24l$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                    >> Oh!
                                                    >>
                                                    >> I did not realized you are going to write half of Director from scratch!
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Alchemist - I wish you good luck and please - have a look at 2D hardware
                                                    >> acceleration. Current stage composition engine does not use GPU
                                                    >> capabilities at all what results in nasty animations: juggy, V-sync
                                                    >> thorn, slow, not-antialiased, etc. In my humble opinion Director 2D
                                                    >> engine is today a pile of rubbish. One can't compensate its poor
                                                    >> performance with sophisticated imaging Lingo or Flash filters. Director's
                                                    >> 2D graphics engine must be improved or... the whole product must be
                                                    >> trashed into garbage like and old ***. Simply speaking - we are not
                                                    >> martyrs any more.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Best regards,
                                                    >> Ziggi
                                                    >
                                                    >





                                                    • 23. Re: The future of Director?
                                                      Level 7
                                                      alchemist wrote:
                                                      > http://xtrema.rtr.gr/beta/vSyncTest.zip
                                                      > Just click on the vsync check box, to enable/disable vertical
                                                      > synchronization.
                                                      >
                                                      > First attempt, far from perfect, but shows it could work.
                                                      > Can't be sure till I have tested performance decrease, possible side
                                                      > effects, test various sync methods to find the optimal etc..
                                                      > Btw, doing all of the above is not currently on the top of my to-do list
                                                      > either... Guess it will have to wait till i start working on the xwindow
                                                      > object - a weeks or so from now, if things go as planned.


                                                      WOW !

                                                      I am impressed !!! I've got excited, Alchemist! Congratulations !!!
                                                      Cannot wait for more - keep on doing - seems Xtrema enhanced Director 11
                                                      will be better than plain X12 what proves the theorem:

                                                      A single good guy is sometimes better and more efficient than entire
                                                      corporation!

                                                      :-)
                                                      Ziggi
                                                      • 24. Re: The future of Director?
                                                        Level 7
                                                        > seems Xtrema enhanced Director 11 will be better than plain X12
                                                        It depends on what you are looking for, and what adobe will offer. Can't
                                                        compare it with something whose specs have not yet been released. But, since
                                                        it includes it's own unicode engine -which works in the native windows
                                                        encoding- you could do a dir8.5-10 + xtrema vs dir 11 comparison.

                                                        > A single good guy is sometimes better and more efficient than entire
                                                        > corporation!
                                                        Perhaps. Much harder to find beta testers though.


                                                        "Ziggi" <ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl> wrote in message
                                                        news:g5gios$og5$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                        > alchemist wrote:
                                                        >> http://xtrema.rtr.gr/beta/vSyncTest.zip
                                                        >> Just click on the vsync check box, to enable/disable vertical
                                                        >> synchronization.
                                                        >>
                                                        >> First attempt, far from perfect, but shows it could work.
                                                        >> Can't be sure till I have tested performance decrease, possible side
                                                        >> effects, test various sync methods to find the optimal etc..
                                                        >> Btw, doing all of the above is not currently on the top of my to-do list
                                                        >> either... Guess it will have to wait till i start working on the xwindow
                                                        >> object - a weeks or so from now, if things go as planned.
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > WOW !
                                                        >
                                                        > I am impressed !!! I've got excited, Alchemist! Congratulations !!!
                                                        > Cannot wait for more - keep on doing - seems Xtrema enhanced Director 11
                                                        > will be better than plain X12 what proves the theorem:
                                                        >
                                                        > A single good guy is sometimes better and more efficient than entire
                                                        > corporation!
                                                        >
                                                        > :-)
                                                        > Ziggi


                                                        • 25. Re: The future of Director?
                                                          wgb14 Level 1
                                                          alchemist when I try to run the examples from your web site it says that "Beta has expired". Is there anything that I can do?
                                                          • 26. Re: The future of Director?
                                                            Level 7
                                                            Those examples, are outdated, and so is the site itself.
                                                            If you do want to try them, you should turn your machine's clock back a year
                                                            or so - check the file time of the xtra you have downloaded.
                                                            Note however that much have changed since then - that includes both function
                                                            name changes, new objects and a large number of performance enhancements.
                                                            The new version, along with new examples, will be made available for
                                                            download soon as the docs have been updated. Probably within the next week.



                                                            "wgb14" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                            news:g5gp69$1hp$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                            > alchemist when I try to run the examples from your web site it says that
                                                            > "Beta has expired". Is there anything that I can do?


                                                            • 27. Re: The future of Director?
                                                              wgb14 Level 1
                                                              Thanks alchemist ! Looking forward to test it

                                                              • 28. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                Level 7
                                                                Is the networking portion of the Xtra ready for beta testing? I would
                                                                like to try and replicate some of the functionality available in the MUS
                                                                xtra.

                                                                alchemist wrote:
                                                                > Those examples, are outdated, and so is the site itself.
                                                                > If you do want to try them, you should turn your machine's clock back a year
                                                                > or so - check the file time of the xtra you have downloaded.
                                                                > Note however that much have changed since then - that includes both function
                                                                > name changes, new objects and a large number of performance enhancements.
                                                                > The new version, along with new examples, will be made available for
                                                                > download soon as the docs have been updated. Probably within the next week.
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                > "wgb14" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                                > news:g5gp69$1hp$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                >> alchemist when I try to run the examples from your web site it says that
                                                                >> "Beta has expired". Is there anything that I can do?
                                                                >
                                                                >
                                                                • 29. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                  Level 7
                                                                  > Is the networking portion of the Xtra ready for beta testing?
                                                                  Yep. Fully functional..

                                                                  > I would like to try and replicate some of the functionality available in
                                                                  > the MUS xtra.
                                                                  No need to. The Xtra has native mus protocol support, via a dedicated
                                                                  object.
                                                                  Unlike the original muXtra, you have full control over the socket objects /
                                                                  data flow.
                                                                  Should also be much faster than the original mus.
                                                                  Give me a couple of days to update an existing mus server movie I had built
                                                                  a while ago, which includes udp support and addresses the original mus
                                                                  security issues, and I'll send it to you.

                                                                  Note that though you can build both clients and server movies with the
                                                                  socket+mucodec object, the ability to connect to mus/x movies (composing the
                                                                  encrypted logon request packet) won't be exposed to lingo - not soon, at
                                                                  least. And that's purelly for security issues, since with it, a developer
                                                                  could easily mess up existing mus servers and p2p movies.


                                                                  "Dave C" <no@no.com> wrote in message
                                                                  news:g5h25g$ae8$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                  > Is the networking portion of the Xtra ready for beta testing? I would like
                                                                  > to try and replicate some of the functionality available in the MUS xtra.
                                                                  >
                                                                  > alchemist wrote:
                                                                  >> Those examples, are outdated, and so is the site itself.
                                                                  >> If you do want to try them, you should turn your machine's clock back a
                                                                  >> year or so - check the file time of the xtra you have downloaded.
                                                                  >> Note however that much have changed since then - that includes both
                                                                  >> function name changes, new objects and a large number of performance
                                                                  >> enhancements.
                                                                  >> The new version, along with new examples, will be made available for
                                                                  >> download soon as the docs have been updated. Probably within the next
                                                                  >> week.
                                                                  >>
                                                                  >>
                                                                  >>
                                                                  >> "wgb14" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                                  >> news:g5gp69$1hp$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                  >>> alchemist when I try to run the examples from your web site it says that
                                                                  >>> "Beta has expired". Is there anything that I can do?
                                                                  >>

                                                                  • 30. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                    Level 7
                                                                    > Perhaps. Much harder to find beta testers though.

                                                                    Alchemist,

                                                                    I have 7 month old girl now, so being a "young" (I am 40+) father I
                                                                    can't allocate as much time to test all Xtrema, but it will be a
                                                                    pleasure for me, if I may test a some selected functionality.
                                                                    Just let me know are you interested and contact me pls. directly at:

                                                                    ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl (remove all underscores in the address)

                                                                    Really - it will be a satisfaction for myself to participate slightly in
                                                                    such a great project, Alchemist!

                                                                    And yu know - perhaps I am not a virtuoso but I know Director by harth,
                                                                    so I may be of some use...

                                                                    Rgs,
                                                                    Ziggi
                                                                    • 31. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                      ytlevine Level 1
                                                                      Alchemist,
                                                                      I have a decent backround in Director, though I am no pro yet.
                                                                      Your xtra looks interesting, but I can't find a page describing what it does.
                                                                      Where would I get more info?
                                                                      Thanks!!
                                                                      • 32. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                        Level 7
                                                                        > Where would I get more info?
                                                                        Till now, and excepting the last year's string/text member only beta
                                                                        release, the xtra was made available to a limited number of beta testers
                                                                        expressing interest in a specific field. You see, to achieve the best
                                                                        quality, in both functionality and programming experience, several parts of
                                                                        it had to be redesigned time and time again. Due to the number of changes
                                                                        that could even happen over night, creating official docs and releasing
                                                                        public beta versions was out of the question. However, several standalone
                                                                        parts of the engine are now completed. So, a public beta release will soon
                                                                        be made available, along with both documentation and examples.

                                                                        As for what it does... Well, besides adding functionality and complete
                                                                        engines that director lacks, it improves and enhances several fields of
                                                                        director.
                                                                        How many commands would you need to do the following:
                                                                        myStr=_a("one two three four five six")
                                                                        put
                                                                        myStr.word[4].upper.sExpBgnBef["two"].word[1].paste("2").word[-1].before.paste("**").enclo se("<-
                                                                        ", " ->").sReplace("e", "E")
                                                                        -- <- onE 2 thrEE FOUR fivE **six ->


                                                                        "ytlevine" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                                        news:g5iqho$ajv$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                        > Alchemist,
                                                                        > I have a decent backround in Director, though I am no pro yet.
                                                                        > Your xtra looks interesting, but I can't find a page describing what it
                                                                        > does.
                                                                        > Where would I get more info?
                                                                        > Thanks!!



                                                                        • 33. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                          Level 7
                                                                          > I have 7 month old girl now, so being a "young" (I am 40+) father
                                                                          Really??? (on both statements).. I had the feeling that you were younger
                                                                          than me (well under 40). Because of the name I suppose.
                                                                          And of the language - you can easily misjudge a non-native english poster's
                                                                          age by his writings.
                                                                          Hmmm.. I suppose this counts for me as well.
                                                                          Not sure what is the proper thing to say for parenthood in english, so i'll
                                                                          just settle to wishing the best for your new family.

                                                                          > Just let me know are you interested and contact me And yu know - perhaps I
                                                                          > am not a virtuoso but I know Director by harth, so I may be of some use...
                                                                          Knowing director is all it takes. Knowing it by heart makes it even better.
                                                                          If you also have interest in expanding your programming skills (networking,
                                                                          using foreign objects, using system functions), it gets close to ideal.
                                                                          Thanks for the offer. I'll certainly take advantage of it!


                                                                          "Ziggi" <ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl> wrote in message
                                                                          news:g5ingc$7eb$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                          >> Perhaps. Much harder to find beta testers though.
                                                                          >
                                                                          > Alchemist,
                                                                          >
                                                                          > I have 7 month old girl now, so being a "young" (I am 40+) father I can't
                                                                          > allocate as much time to test all Xtrema, but it will be a pleasure for
                                                                          > me, if I may test a some selected functionality.
                                                                          > Just let me know are you interested and contact me pls. directly at:
                                                                          >
                                                                          > ziggi@z_i_g_g_i.pl (remove all underscores in the address)
                                                                          >
                                                                          > Really - it will be a satisfaction for myself to participate slightly in
                                                                          > such a great project, Alchemist!
                                                                          >
                                                                          > And yu know - perhaps I am not a virtuoso but I know Director by harth, so
                                                                          > I may be of some use...
                                                                          >
                                                                          > Rgs,
                                                                          > Ziggi


                                                                          • 34. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                            Level 7
                                                                            Dave,
                                                                            I sent you a mail containing a link to the files. However, your mail server
                                                                            seems to dislike mine. So, tell me if you did get it.

                                                                            [sorry for using the list for a private post]


                                                                            "Dave C" <no@no.com> wrote in message
                                                                            news:g5h25g$ae8$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                            > Is the networking portion of the Xtra ready for beta testing? I would like
                                                                            > to try and replicate some of the functionality available in the MUS xtra.
                                                                            >
                                                                            > alchemist wrote:
                                                                            >> Those examples, are outdated, and so is the site itself.
                                                                            >> If you do want to try them, you should turn your machine's clock back a
                                                                            >> year or so - check the file time of the xtra you have downloaded.
                                                                            >> Note however that much have changed since then - that includes both
                                                                            >> function name changes, new objects and a large number of performance
                                                                            >> enhancements.
                                                                            >> The new version, along with new examples, will be made available for
                                                                            >> download soon as the docs have been updated. Probably within the next
                                                                            >> week.
                                                                            >>
                                                                            >>
                                                                            >>
                                                                            >> "wgb14" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                                            >> news:g5gp69$1hp$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                            >>> alchemist when I try to run the examples from your web site it says that
                                                                            >>> "Beta has expired". Is there anything that I can do?
                                                                            >>

                                                                            • 35. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                              Level 7
                                                                              I did get it. Thanks.

                                                                              alchemist wrote:
                                                                              > Dave,
                                                                              > I sent you a mail containing a link to the files. However, your mail server
                                                                              > seems to dislike mine. So, tell me if you did get it.
                                                                              >
                                                                              > [sorry for using the list for a private post]
                                                                              >
                                                                              >
                                                                              > "Dave C" <no@no.com> wrote in message
                                                                              > news:g5h25g$ae8$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                              >> Is the networking portion of the Xtra ready for beta testing? I would like
                                                                              >> to try and replicate some of the functionality available in the MUS xtra.
                                                                              >>
                                                                              >> alchemist wrote:
                                                                              >>> Those examples, are outdated, and so is the site itself.
                                                                              >>> If you do want to try them, you should turn your machine's clock back a
                                                                              >>> year or so - check the file time of the xtra you have downloaded.
                                                                              >>> Note however that much have changed since then - that includes both
                                                                              >>> function name changes, new objects and a large number of performance
                                                                              >>> enhancements.
                                                                              >>> The new version, along with new examples, will be made available for
                                                                              >>> download soon as the docs have been updated. Probably within the next
                                                                              >>> week.
                                                                              >>>
                                                                              >>>
                                                                              >>>
                                                                              >>> "wgb14" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                                              >>> news:g5gp69$1hp$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                              >>>> alchemist when I try to run the examples from your web site it says that
                                                                              >>>> "Beta has expired". Is there anything that I can do?
                                                                              >
                                                                              • 36. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                                Level 7
                                                                                if the archive you downloaded did not contain an .exe file, download it
                                                                                again - there was a bug in the codec in the first .rar file.

                                                                                "Dave C" <no@no.com> wrote in message
                                                                                news:g5kqlt$hae$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                                >I did get it. Thanks.
                                                                                >
                                                                                > alchemist wrote:
                                                                                >> Dave,
                                                                                >> I sent you a mail containing a link to the files. However, your mail
                                                                                >> server seems to dislike mine. So, tell me if you did get it.
                                                                                >>
                                                                                >> [sorry for using the list for a private post]
                                                                                >>
                                                                                >>
                                                                                >> "Dave C" <no@no.com> wrote in message
                                                                                >> news:g5h25g$ae8$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                                >>> Is the networking portion of the Xtra ready for beta testing? I would
                                                                                >>> like to try and replicate some of the functionality available in the MUS
                                                                                >>> xtra.
                                                                                >>>
                                                                                >>> alchemist wrote:
                                                                                >>>> Those examples, are outdated, and so is the site itself.
                                                                                >>>> If you do want to try them, you should turn your machine's clock back a
                                                                                >>>> year or so - check the file time of the xtra you have downloaded.
                                                                                >>>> Note however that much have changed since then - that includes both
                                                                                >>>> function name changes, new objects and a large number of performance
                                                                                >>>> enhancements.
                                                                                >>>> The new version, along with new examples, will be made available for
                                                                                >>>> download soon as the docs have been updated. Probably within the next
                                                                                >>>> week.
                                                                                >>>>
                                                                                >>>>
                                                                                >>>>
                                                                                >>>> "wgb14" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                                                >>>> news:g5gp69$1hp$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                                >>>>> alchemist when I try to run the examples from your web site it says
                                                                                >>>>> that "Beta has expired". Is there anything that I can do?
                                                                                >>


                                                                                • 37. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                                  Zante2033
                                                                                  Insofar as 3D is concerned, Unity has beaten Director completely. I've blogged about it.

                                                                                  http://tinyurl.com/6xx9cn

                                                                                  I got a horrible feeling in my stomach after examining the latest Director release. It's a shame as Director is what got me into 3D in the first place. :[

                                                                                  Time to move on.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: The future of Director?
                                                                                    Level 7
                                                                                    Most impressive indeed. Perhaps some descent competition could make adobe
                                                                                    reconsider a few things.
                                                                                    > Time to move on.
                                                                                    If you can do with it things you can't do with director, and if you have
                                                                                    reasons to do them, then sure you should.
                                                                                    However, sad as this may be, the success/acceptance of a product is not
                                                                                    always related to it's quality.

                                                                                    "Zante2033" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                                                                                    news:g5nui2$3b2$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                                                    > Insofar as 3D is concerned, Unity has beaten Director completely. I've
                                                                                    > blogged
                                                                                    > about it.
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > http://tinyurl.com/6xx9cn
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > I got a horrible feeling in my stomach after examining the latest Director
                                                                                    > release. It's a shame as Director is what got me into 3D in the first
                                                                                    > place. :[
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    > Time to move on.
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    >
                                                                                    >