4 Replies Latest reply: Dec 12, 2009 8:45 AM by Kent Purdy RSS

    Blu-ray requests

    jbandy Community Member

      1. I have been making blu-rays using CS3 and CS4 with h.264 assets.  The h.264s are 720p 59.94.  I use one timeline for my projects with multiple assets.  for some reason when I make a disc image and a disc from that image, both encore CS3 and CS4 put a extra chapter at 33 seconds into my longer assets where there is no chapter marker on my timeline.  I have checked on my timeline in premiere and have no chapter markers there either.

       

      2.  In CS4 between my assets the finished blu-ray will play between 10seconds and 2minutes of black before moving onto the next asset on the timeline.  CS3 does not have this problem.  So I have been using it instead of CS4 for all my blu-ray projects.

       

      3.  Neither CS3 or CS4 puts invisible chapter markers at the end of assets like it does for DVDs.  So if I have assets on multiple timelines and the video is playing between the last chapter on that timeline and the end of the timeline, the user cannot skip forward to the next timeline.  Instead they have to wait the remaining duration of the current timeline.  I have tried putting manual chapter markers on the end of my timelines but they don't go exactly at the end of assets because of restrictions on the timeline to where you can put chapter markers.  It looks really awful because you see the last bit of the remaining timeline before the disc continues onto the next.

       

      3.  Navigation functionality:  The menu remote button does not work with blu-rays in encore and there is no way to skip backward to previous timelines.

      This is a problem because users have to go back to the very beginning of a disc and skip forward until they get to the chapter they want and if they go to far, have to start all over again at the beginning of the disc.

       

      These are my main problems that I have to get fixed.  Numbers 1 and 2 are the most important.  If I can have all my assets on one timeline with no extra chapter markers and no black between assets I would not need to worry about using extra timelines.

       

      Thanks

      If anyone has any suggestions I am open to any help.

        • 1. Re: Blu-ray requests
          JSS1138 CommunityMVP

          2, 3 and the second 3 can probably be solved by better authoring practices.  Use one asset per timeline containing all chapters you want to play continuously.  Create such outside of Encore.

          • 2. Re: Blu-ray requests
            jbandy Community Member

            Do you mean putting Encore Chapter markers on my timeline in

            premiere and then exporting the h.254?  Would I still export using the Adobe Media Encoder?

            I would just use separate timelines, one for each asset but then the user cannot navigate backwards and I cannot have that.

            • 3. Re: Blu-ray requests
              Jon Geddes Community Member

              As Jim is suggesting, you can pretty much resolve all your problems by using better authoring practices. Even though Encore claims to support adding multiple videos to a single timeline... why would you? Why would you create multiple timelines for a video that you want to playback like it is playing from a single timeline? What Jim is saying is that you should combine all your videos into a single one in Premiere, then export out as h264 Bluray. This one video file gets placed into one timeline in Encore... problem solved.

               

              When you place multiple videos into a single timeline in Encore, it needs to re-encode them... thus reducing quality. Don't do that.

               

              When placing multiple h.264 videos into a single timeline for Blu-ray export, Encore has issues. But if you are following the previous tip, you shouldn't be doing this anyways.

              • 4. Re: Blu-ray requests
                Kent Purdy Community Member

                Joe,

                Im having the same problems as jbandy. I have authored countless DVDs in Encore from the first version through CS4.This summer I bought my first HD camera, so I decided to move on to authoring in BD. Please dont put the blame on my authoring practices.Ill give you several reasons why!

                 

                1. First let me say moving to Win 7 seems to have helped somewhat.

                 

                2. Some of us have computer systems that are not up to what the experts run, but still met the minimum requirements to run CS4.

                 

                3. I author family videos that run chronologically in one year time frames.With DVDs I have always edited my clips down to fit one years worth

                    of video on one DVD (1 houe).With BD it has allowed me to extend my finished project up to 2-3 hours.

                 

                4. Ive found that I never get a clip perfect with the first edit, so I edit each clip separately. (Many different clips with a scrolling entro that

                    always gets edited) Now with H264 encoding it takes quite a while to encode. My set up takes 8-10 minutes for each minute of video.  I encode all clips in PPro first and then import into Encore(no need to let Encore encode). I then let Encore transcode the audio.I will rename the encoded AC3 files to match the original wave files and use them in the project.I started doing this because I was building and rebuilding the project trying to get one that would work as it should. (no pause between clips and or the forward and back buttons to work on the remote.) The forward and back buttons always work in the preview mode in En.

                 

                5. It is be impractal to try and encode a 3.5 hour video all at one time on all but the most powerful systems.(I have done it) At this point all assets are good to go.

                 

                6. Now heres where it gets dicey. I have two finished projects.The first was built with one time line (3 hours 17 minutes).I built and burned this project many (countless) times trying to get the pause between each chapter to a minimum,(ok but not up to what I would really like to see) (all the forward and back buttons work on the remote).Its finally acceptable but I dont know what I did to make it so, (because so many rebuilds).I tried project one with both a single timeline  and multiple timelines with a playlist. Project 2 was finished with multiple time lines with a playlist. I can navigate forward except for chapter 5(go figure) but cannot navigate backward with the remote.

                 

                7. Now the conclusion, Project 2 seems to be the more acceptable (with playlist). Both projects work perfect in the preview window in EN cs4.I build an image file and use ImgBurn for all my burning. Now for the coup de graus. I cant get another good burned BD out of the original image file! Im using Memorex BD-RE and a Buffalo external burner.I dont know whose fault it is I cant replicate a good burned BD.But I dont think its OE!(but maybe).

                So Ive just acceped what I ended up with, until Adobe, Memorex or Buffalo gives me a better product.

                 

                Thanks for listening

                Kent

                 

                PS. I really appreciate this forumn, have followed the posts  for years, and have helped me tremendeslly.Im retired and dont have a life except for making videos of my GRANDCHILDREN.