14 Replies Latest reply on Jun 20, 2008 5:37 AM by

    Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?

    cuban_cigar
      I began learning html a year ago during lulls at the office, and have been using .css style sheets for the past 4 months.

      Using a simple text editor, it seems pretty cut and dry to create a webpage by working directly with the code where you can see everything that is going on right in front of you.

      Now, my friend began making a web portfolio, and I was watching her use css3 dreamweaver to put together the page. My first impression was "cluttered". The screen was filled with panes, boxes, overhead displays, all seeming to contain fluff that had little to do with actual .css or html. If you don't know anything about coding, I can see why people like the pretty graffics display, it is like windows. And like a microsoft product, it is filled with menus that you have to hunt though to find the simplest option which could be accomplished in 2 seconds by editing the code directly.

      Now you could say “dreamweaver has a text editor” but it still has the rest of the gui taking up valuable screen area, especially with a laptop. Also when you try to select say a div box or something on screen it selects an object behind it. It also inserted some garbage commented out code into the page.


      AND

      I was talking with human resources personal for a web development company, looked at their requirements for web developers.. one req was 2 years experience with dreamweaver.. this seems very odd as it would attract the gui bound people who didn't learn anything, and shut out people who actually know what they are doing.



      Am I not too off base on this?
        • 1. Re: Why use dreamweaver over text editor?
          Level 7
          cuban_cigar wrote:
          > Am I not too off base on this?

          If you hang out here enough you will see that the best advice given to
          anyone coming to Dreamweaver is that you have to understand HTML and CSS
          to use it, otherwise it will be very frustrating.

          Dreamweaver is a tool to aid productivity, it helps get the job done,
          and whilst to the inexperienced it will produce bloated code, to the
          experienced it won't.

          There is a good reason why Dreamweaver is the professionals choice, but
          in the end its down to the individual to make the most of it.

          Steve
          • 2. Re: Why use dreamweaver over text editor?
            Level 7
            Steve hit the nail on the head. DW is a tool to 'enhance' productivity
            not to rely on to write html/css for you....thats what a 'novice' does
            and gets into 'deep water' sooner or later

            There are a number of excellent features written into Dreamweaver that
            allows the experienced user to get something down on the page faster and
            more efficient than it would be to hand-code.

            Thats it in a nut shell! Nothing can replace being able to understand
            html and css but some software can be of assistance in creating it a bit
            faster.











            cuban_cigar wrote:
            > I began learning html a year ago during lulls at the office, and have been
            > using .css style sheets for the past 4 months.
            >
            > Using a simple text editor, it seems pretty cut and dry to create a webpage by
            > working directly with the code where you can see everything that is going on
            > right in front of you.
            >
            > Now, my friend began making a web portfolio, and I was watching her use css3
            > dreamweaver to put together the page. My first impression was "cluttered". The
            > screen was filled with panes, boxes, overhead displays, all seeming to contain
            > fluff that had little to do with actual .css or html. If you don't know
            > anything about coding, I can see why people like the pretty graffics display,
            > it is like windows. And like a microsoft product, it is filled with menus that
            > you have to hunt though to find the simplest option which could be accomplished
            > in 2 seconds by editing the code directly.
            >
            > Now you could say ?dreamweaver has a text editor? but it still has the rest of
            > the gui taking up valuable screen area, especially with a laptop. Also when you
            > try to select say a div box or something on screen it selects an object behind
            > it. It also inserted some garbage code into the page.
            >
            >
            > AND
            >
            > I was talking with human resources personal for a web development company,
            > looked at their requirements for web developers.. one req was 2 years
            > experience with dreamweaver.. this seems very odd as it would attract the gui
            > bound people who didn't learn anything, and shut out people who actually know
            > what they are doing.
            >
            >
            >
            > Am I not too off base on this?
            >
            • 3. Re: Why use dreamweaver over text editor?
              Level 7
              > I was talking with human resources personal for a web development company,
              > looked at their requirements for web developers.. one req was 2 years
              > experience with dreamweaver.. this seems very odd as it would attract the
              > gui
              > bound people who didn't learn anything, and shut out people who actually
              > know
              > what they are doing.
              > Am I not too off base on this?

              If you can sling HTML with a text editor, you can pretty much ignore any '2
              years DW experience' requirement. You could pick up any necessary DW skills
              in a weekend.

              So, no, you're not offbase. Rather, HR departments rarely write job
              descriptions that actually parallel the REAL skills needed for the position.

              In your case, you probably won't gain much from DW. I use it mainly for file
              management and link updating. But, otherwise, it's kind of run its course
              for me. I'd consider looking into Coda if you are on OSX as a step up
              notepad without the clutter of a full graphical IDE.

              I still miss BBEdit. ;o)

              -Darrel


              • 4. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                gordonwd Level 1
                I've been writing software professionally for over 40 years, so I certainly know my way around an ASCII code editor. But I still can't believe that it's easier to design a graphical user interface without having a visual-based tool like DW available.

                For example, when bringing in an image, there's nothing complex about an <img> tag, but DW automatically sets the height and width for you; doing it manually, I'd have to open or inspect the image to see its dimensions. And a layout with sliced images is tough to do. The HTML/CSS code for a complex page is generally very hard to follow and not at all intuitive as to how it looks when rendered.

                And at my age, it's hard to keep everything related to my site in my head at once, and I'd much rather pick my classes out of a dropdown list than have to remember each one that I've defined! :-)
                • 5. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                  yupieyi Level 1
                  Dreamweaver is a tool for massive webdevelopment in enterprise level. It can organize , upload and manage web server. That's why its better than text editor
                  • 6. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                    Level 7
                    > I've been writing software professionally for over 40 years, so I
                    > certainly
                    > know my way around an ASCII code editor. But I still can't believe that
                    > it's
                    > easier to design a graphical user interface without having a visual-based
                    > tool
                    > like DW available.

                    The browser is visual based. DW is great, but so is a textEditor + browser +
                    F5. ;o)

                    -Darrel


                    • 7. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                      Level 7
                      > Dreamweaver is a tool for massive webdevelopment in enterprise level. It
                      > can organize , upload and manage web server. That's why its better than
                      > text editor

                      I'd never call DW's file management 'enterprise level' site management. It's
                      good for very small teams and relatively small sites (say, 2-3 people,
                      hundreds of pages). But if your talking a team larger than that, or a site
                      larger than that, then DW isn't the right tool. At that point you need to
                      look into combinations of Version Control Software, Content Management
                      Tools, and multi server dev environs (dev, QA, production), etc

                      -Darrel


                      • 8. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                        Level 7
                        Nor would I. This is just misinformation.

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                        "darrel" <notreal@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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                        >> Dreamweaver is a tool for massive webdevelopment in enterprise level. It
                        >> can organize , upload and manage web server. That's why its better than
                        >> text editor
                        >
                        > I'd never call DW's file management 'enterprise level' site management.
                        > It's good for very small teams and relatively small sites (say, 2-3
                        > people, hundreds of pages). But if your talking a team larger than that,
                        > or a site larger than that, then DW isn't the right tool. At that point
                        > you need to look into combinations of Version Control Software, Content
                        > Management Tools, and multi server dev environs (dev, QA, production), etc
                        >
                        > -Darrel
                        >

                        • 9. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                          Level 7
                          > Nor would I. This is just misinformation.

                          Nor would you what?



                          • 10. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                            Level 7
                            > Nor would I.

                            Oh! Nor would you say that. Nevermind! ;o)


                            • 11. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                              Level 7
                              Right. Nevermind.... 8)

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                              "darrel" <notreal@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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                              >> Nor would I.
                              >
                              > Oh! Nor would you say that. Nevermind! ;o)
                              >

                              • 12. Re: Why use dreamweaver over text editor?
                                Level 7
                                cuban_cigar wrote:
                                > Am I not too off base on this?

                                Not at all - you're the sort of person who would probably gain in
                                productivity using DW, by matching DW to your workflow, and not the other
                                way around.

                                I program mainly in PHP, so I don't get much use out of the visual aspect of
                                it, but as a code editor it's fine - I've tried other PHP code editors, but
                                keep coming back to DW because the site management (for small sites) is fine
                                and the FTP works (for me!)

                                Regards,

                                Pete.

                                --
                                Peter Connolly
                                http://www.kpdirection.com
                                Utah


                                • 13. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                                  thanks for remondign me about the individual capacity to use a DM.
                                  • 14. Re: Why use dreamweaver over a text editor?
                                    thanks for remondign me about the individual capacity to use a DM.