I wonder if that solution would also work with version 8, Ed!
Regardless, if you'd like to describe the steps for "blowing away the Organizer files", I'll gladly move this thread to our Tips & Tricks area.
The Organizer is a very deep workspace with a surprisingly number of tools for managing media files and creating photo pieces. But, like you, I virtually never use it and wouldn't miss it if it suddenly disappeared.
if you'd like to describe the steps for "blowing away the Organizer files"
I'll get the actual file locations when I get home tonight and post an update...
To delete the Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements Organizer database files. This is for Version 7, not sure if this is the same location for other versions.
- Make sure neither program is open. If they are, you will get a "File in Use..." error.
- Navigate to "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\Photoshop Elements\Catalogs"
- I deleted both the "Catalog" directory and the "My Catalog" directory.
That's all I had to do.
This is remarkably similar to an issue I had. I placed about 100 h.264 assets (about 1-3 minutes each) on the timeline in a new project. PE7 choked and then did what you describe every time I tried to open ANY project after that.... it froze with CPU activity. In my case, the CPU activity eventually ceased but the program never became responsive after that. Since I could not open the "offending" project to remove the assets, I renamed the parent folder for the assets. This took them offline and I could once again open PE7. Once open, I removed the offline assets and everything was back to as normal as it gets with PE.
I too have never paid any attention to the organizer, but I am wondering if it isn't maybe the prime offender when it comes to consuming scarce 32 bit resources? In my experience, PE7 works fairly well until it runs out of resources. Trouble is that it runs out of resources long before I am finished with a typical 1-2 hour HD project, rendering it unusable. By contrast, Vegas Movie Studio never seems to run out of resources regardless of the size or number of assets.
If you delete the organizer database, does PE regenerate it, or perhaps start from scratch with any freshly added assets? That would be simple to deal with..... periodically delete the database with a batch file when starting PE. Or maybe with each boot?
If blowing the datafiles away solves the problem, I wonder if you can accomplish the same thing simply by making a new, blank catalog, never putting anything into it and using it as your default Organizer catalog.
I had the same thing and finally found the little tiny button on the organizer window at the top. It looks like sergeant stripes. I clicked on that and went down to preferences and then another panel opened beside that one and went to the analyzer and shut it off. It runs day and night wether you are using premiere or not. My Cpu was at 70%. I think it's called auto analyzer. That's the only place you can shut it off and it's really hard to find. Hope this helps. One other thing that will make it run like that it cool'nquiet cpu thing in the bios.
As an experiment, I created a new, empty catalog for my Organizer and have been using it as my default catalog. And, when new clips and photos are automatically added to the catalog, I immediately remove them from the Organizer.
Believe it or not, Premiere Elements runs much more efficiently -- per your experience! It doesn't run perfectly, and it still requires way too much power. But it does make a difference in how quickly it starts up and responds.
Just thinking here, especially as I do not use the Organizer in my work, but I wonder if Adobe would not be smart to separate Organizer from PrE. My suggestion would be rather like what they did with Adobe Media Encoder (AME) in PrPro CS4. AME is now a separate program. It can be launched from within PrPro, when needed, or started from the Desktop. This is exactly how Adobe Bridge (the program that does the job of Organizer, for programs in the Adobe "suites"). Especially with PrE 8, Organizer seems to have the potential for some hangups, but is still an integral part of PrE. It seems that users need to rather by-pass it, with switches, and workarounds.
Maybe there are compelling reasons to NOT do that, but with it separate, the user could invoke it, when necessary, but it would be dormant, when not in use.
Again, just thinking,
You could well be right, Hunt.
Early versions of Photoshop Elements did, in fact, include Adobe Bridge, strangely enough. But this was eventually replaced with the Organizer -- which includes more dynamic tools (a slideshow maker, a calendar creator, a photo and scrapbook maker, in addition to its backup system and auto analyzer), but isn't nearly as neat and efficient.