16 Replies Latest reply on Dec 27, 2009 2:32 AM by Powered by Design

    Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?

    jamiesaari

      I have recently finished training in Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 and am looking to buy a new laptop.

       

      I'd love to hear thoughts from more experienced users.

       

      Could you please kindly send me your thoughts on these three questions?

       

      1) I have used a PC my entire life, but am considering switching to a Mac. It will cost quite a bit of money to purchase all new software to in Mac (i.e. Adobe Master Collection & Microsoft Office). Is it truly worth the investment to switch from PC to Mac? Or should I simply use that money to purchase a

      the very best high-end PC money can buy?

       

      2) I've been told that many people have computer systems simply devoted to only Premiere Pro CS4 and nothing else. Is this true? Ideally I would like to have a "super machine" that runs all my other software (Adobe Master Collection, Microsoft Office and more) in one. What are your thoughts on this?

       

      3) Can you recommend your favourite brand and model for running Adobe Premiere Pro CS4? If you are a PC person, please let me know your recommended PC. If you are a Mac person, please let me know your recommended Mac.

       

      Thank you in advance for your assistance.


      Warm Regards,

       

      Jamie

        • 1. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          First a couple of facts with regards to PR:

           

          1. 90% use PC, only 10% MAC.

          2. MAC is way more expensive.

          3. MAC does not give you many options for expansion or only at a hefty price tag.

          4. Support on this forum is mainly PC oriented.

          5. MAC has limited software/debugging/other utilities available in comparison to PC.

          6. PR for MAC is limited in comparison to the PC version.

           

          To answer you questions from my limited perspective:

           

          1. No. Yes.

          2. Yes. Don't do that.

          3. Build yourself. Look here: How to get the best from a PC? Some guides...

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          • 2. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
            the_wine_snob Level 9

            Jamie,

             

            Not specific to the platform, but for editing on a laptop, you should look for one that offers three HDD's, most likely SATA II.

             

            If you're doing AVCHD material, get the fastest processor available.

             

            Having an ATI, or nVidia mobile card will benefit you, over an embedded Intel video chip. Do not know about any embedded Mac video chips.

             

            Look for a unit that has, or can accept eSATA connections for external HDD's. FW-800 is OK, but eSATA will be better.

             

            I use a Sager, configured for NLE work. It is basically an extreme gaming computer, but there is enough latitude to get what one wants for NLE work, leaving off some of the "gaming-only" stuff.

             

            Even my 17" monitor is a bit small, but I have learned to adjust my Workspace and live with it. For any major work, my dual-monitor workstation is where the Projects go.

             

            Good luck,

             

            Hunt

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            • 3. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
              Curt Wrigley Level 4

              The one area I would possibly disagree with HARM is:  Unless you are a HW guy who loves dabbling in details, dont try to build a PC yourself.   Find a vendor who specializes in editing workstations and buy from them.

               

              If on the other hand you love messing with HW; it is much cheaper to build yourself.   But since you asked the question you did; Im guessing you're not a gear head.

              • 4. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                Chuck A. McIntyre Level 3

                Now that XP and Vista are behind us, the PC's future is looking much brighter.  CS4 runs like a champ on our new i7 based systems. Windows 7 64 is the way to go, IMO. We have 3 Mac guys at work who love their machines and OS X.  I personally prefer the PC. I think you should give OS X a test drive first before spending the money.  Of course if you hate OS X, you can always go the Boot Camp route and install Windows 7.  The MacBook Pro's hardware seems reliable.

                 

                The Mac Desktop "Mac Pro's" are excellent machines, but cost way too much IMO.  The guys at work swear by these though.  Our chief Mac guy recommends, not buying the cuting edge top end model, but rather stay with the mid-range Mac Pro and buy extra hard drives and Ram from a 3rd. party supplier as opposed to Apple.

                 

                In response to:

                "2) I've been told that many people have computer systems simply devoted to only Premiere Pro CS4 and nothing else. Is this true? Ideally I would like to have a "super machine" that runs all my other software (Adobe Master Collection, Microsoft Office and more) in one. What are your thoughts on this?"

                 

                I would just use good judgement regarding what you install on your editing system.  Odd-ball programs and certain downloadable codec packs of course are not a good idea.  We have Office 07' on one of our lower-end systems, all of our computers are networked and connected to the Internet. No issues to report.

                 

                Just as a side note, Networking is much better with Windows 7. Everything's nearly right there when you click on it.

                • 5. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                  dradeke Adobe Employee

                  The number of differences are middling if anyone can even name them.  The differences mostly amount to a few cheesy effects that were not moved over.  I would not include that in your list...

                  Harm Millaard wrote:

                   

                  6. PR for MAC is limited in comparison to the PC version.

                  • 6. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                    dradeke Adobe Employee

                    As an Adobe employee it is shocking how much I get this question and it's also shocking how difficult it is to answer because it is ultimately a very personal and subjective question.

                     

                    Here's my very brief take on it.

                    1. Buy what you want!
                    2. Buy the most expensive and fastest you can afford - it will help you in the long run.

                     

                    Here's the facts:

                    1. PC's are generally faster and cheaper
                    2. Your familiarity with PC's would make you getting one a plus
                    3. Premiere Pro runs equally well on Mac and PC

                     

                    Best,

                    Dennis

                    • 7. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                      Some time ago someone composed a complete overview of everything missing in the MAC version in comparison to PC and IIRC it amounted to some 50-60 effects/transitions that are not in the MAC version. Whether one would miss them depends on what you want to do. If may pay to search for that overview and then make a decision whether that is significant. However, with that number I thought it worth mentioning.

                      • 8. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                        Powered by Design Level 4

                        I cant remember who made these lists but here is the lists Harm is talking about.

                         

                         

                        precs4tr.jpg

                         

                        precs4ft.jpg

                         

                        Enjoy:  Glenn

                        • 9. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                          Glenn,

                           

                          Those were done by a Mac-user, who questioned why the Mac got fewer Effects (and Transitions?), than did the PC. He started with a text list, with his question. Unfortunately, no real answer was forthcoming, IIRC, other than "that's the way it is." He ended the thread with those charts. Well-done, I might add.

                           

                          Thanks for posting those. I had not anticipated that aspect, and would have been looking on my system for those, but you saved me the work. Thanks!

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                            JamSki88

                            To be fair, a lot of the transitions (and video effects) that are included in ANY editing suite are quite "lame".  I use PPro on a MAC at home and professionally on a PC at work, and RARELY use anything but the cross dissolve, and SOMETIMES a push or slide.

                             

                            Anything else, and your videos will look amateurish.  So, I'm not hurting that I have far fewer transitions and effects on the MAC.  Anything that may require a more sophisticated treatment, I do in After Effects, which is JUST as powerful on the MAC as it is on the PC.

                             

                            The only thing I face about using PPro on a MAC is it's limited support, since most other users are on PCs.  But, as more MAC users who refuse to bow down to the almighty and over-hyped Final Cut cult move to PPro on the MAC, the better the user-to-user support will be.

                             

                            But, if you find an overwhelming need to use a checkboard wipe or a page curl in your projects, then by all means, get a PC.

                            • 11. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                              the_wine_snob Level 9
                              To be fair, a lot of the transitions (and video effects) that are included in ANY editing suite are quite "lame"

                               

                              You'll get no argument from me. I use butt-cuts, Cross-dissolve and Dip-to-Black for 99% of my Transitions. Now, I do have to admit that I did use Page-turn once, but that was for a scene involving school. I have a heavy dose of Hollywood FX from a previous program, and have not bothered to even add them (simple file extension change) to PrPro, as I never used any, and never found a use for them.

                               

                              Now, some of the Effects missing are a different story.

                               

                              Hunt

                              • 12. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                                MartMitch

                                I have been using Premiere on a  pc for years.

                                I had a pc custom built with matrox and cs3

                                Excellent combination but unstable.

                                 

                                I have just bought a Mac Pro with Final Cut Pro 7

                                Not as user friendly as Premiere.

                                 

                                Can FCPro and and Premiere CS4 co-exist on my Mac Pro?

                                If so I can have the best of two worlds.

                                • 13. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                                  dradeke Adobe Employee

                                  MartMitch wrote:

                                   

                                  I have been using Premiere on a  pc for years.

                                  I had a pc custom built with matrox and cs3

                                  Excellent combination but unstable.

                                  I have a feeling it was not the Adobe software so much as the Matrox.

                                  I have just bought a Mac Pro with Final Cut Pro 7

                                  Not as user friendly as Premiere.

                                   

                                  Can FCPro and and Premiere CS4 co-exist on my Mac Pro?

                                  If so I can have the best of two worlds.

                                  Absolutely.  Production Premium including Premiere Pro have been on the Mac natively since CS3.  Premiere Pro CS4 will use all of your CPU cores (FCP uses only 2) and take advantage of more memory.  There is also a way to 'cross-grade' your software so you can move from CS3 PC to CS4 Mac.  You will have to call Adobe's customer service to help get this done, but it's not too much of a pain.

                                   

                                  Dennis

                                  • 14. OT, but transition relevant...
                                    fuaho Level 1

                                    About 10 years ago, there was a serious snowstorm here in the New York City area that stranded people and stopped traffic for many days.

                                     

                                    During the first day, as administrative/non-techie types had to take over the news desks at the stations, everything was manual straight cuts, mistimed roll-ins, upcut sound bites and awkward lower thirds.

                                     

                                    By the second day without replacements, you'd see the occasional auto-dissolve and the roll-ins and packages got a little tighter. And then, that night, I actually saw a circle wipe!! I thought I'd die laughing!  

                                     

                                    Happily, by the next day, people were finally able to get in to the city and most shows returned to normal.

                                    • 15. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                                      MartMitch Level 1

                                      Thanks Dennis

                                      Just the information I needed.

                                      I am ordering CS4 for my Mac Pro.

                                      • 16. Re: Mac vs PC ... Any recommendations?
                                        Powered by Design Level 4

                                        it feels like CS5 is almost here.

                                         

                                        I wouldnt buy CS4 now if you dont have to.

                                         

                                        What does everyone else think ?

                                         

                                         

                                        Glenn