14 Replies Latest reply on Jan 6, 2010 3:03 PM by Matt Petersen

    Wide Screen

    AllyPugh Level 1

      I captured my footage on a Dv camera on wide screen. So it has the nice black bars top

      and bottom when you watch it back.


      I have imported them as seperate clips and when you view those clips on Source/Preview panel they still have the widescreen bars framing the moving image.


      I have then dragged them onto the timeline to make my movie cut, but when I export the whole project to watch back as one file the widescreen setup is lost and it is just a rectangle set film? Help??

        • 1. Re: Wide Screen
          the_wine_snob Level 9

          Please tell us the make/model of the camera, and how it records Widescreen. Not all 16:9 is the same.


          Also, what is your Project/Sequence Preset?


          Last, what are the exact Export specs.?


          Good luck,



          • 2. Re: Wide Screen
            AllyPugh Level 1

            Hope this is all right: Canon MD101 PAL




                                           Camera Setup Menu = Widescreen option

                                           TV Type - Wide

                                           VCR Setup

                                           Markers turned on

                                           It was captured initially into Imovie under 'HDV 1080i'


            I dont where to find 'Presets', I'm using Premiere Pro CS3.


            And I chose: Export - Movie - File Type:                 Microsoft DV AVI

                                                       Range:                     Entire Sequence

                                                       Embedding Options:  Project


            I've been as detailed as I can, I am a Graphic Designer and completely new to Moving Image so my apologies

            • 3. Re: Wide Screen
              Matt Petersen Level 3

              Ally, you have a DV project, so no need for a 1080 Project (designed for high def cameras). I'd be tempted to re-capture in Premiere, as we have no idea how you're getting those clips out of i-Movie (are you "exporting them as Quicktime", or are you dragging and dropping the files straight from the hard drive?).


              The specs for your camera (on Amazon at least) says it records in "true" widescreen, which means the Project you want to work in is DV NTSC (or PAL, depending on your country/camera) WIDESCREEN. If all goes well, you SHOULDN'T have black bars top and bottom (as that simply means a whole stack of pixels are just wasted lying around in "black" mode: bad).


              So you really need to get all your ducks in row here by:


              - making sure your captured clips are in their native format (Type II DV AVI. Harm, correct me if I'm wrong there) preferably by capturing in Premiere

              - making sure the project you're working in matches your clips (DV Widescreen)

              - making sure you're exporting the type of file you need at the end (and I don't know what that is)


              Alas, this part of the Premiere learning curve is STEEP.


              Good luck.



              • 4. Re: Wide Screen
                AllyPugh Level 1

                I exported the seperate clips as Quicktime files from Imovie as for some reason Premiere wouldn't recognise my camera when plugged in. I tried a plethora of things to get it to work but no luck. I then imported thesse files seperately into Premiere to work on and edit together.


                As a preview they appear to have black sections top and bottom (widescreen), but on Exporting and Playing them back in VLC Media Player they have lost the black bars. Would it be better to try it on a wide screen monitor or something? Surely you should be able to tell the difference straight off?


                And as far as I can tell there isn't much choice of File Type on Exporting. I want to export the film to play in VLC andf similar players. it will be going on the web at some point later. But at all times it is important to look like widescreen with the black bars look going on... I'm utilising the Lynda.com online training but haven't found a solution as yet...

                • 5. Re: Wide Screen
                  Matt Petersen Level 3

                  ah, that goes some way to explain what's going on. your exported clips might have the black bars "built in" due to how they've been loaded into Quicktime and subsequently exported. This isn't ideal and you're not working with as good quality as you could (as you've compressed it coming from i-Movie). you really want to try to capture using Premiere, otherwise you're working with footage wich is already degraded.


                  Be careful using Players like Quicktime and VLC to judge what's actually in a video clip, as they're designed to maximise the viewing experience. Some players strip the black bars automatically. Some players ignore the pixel aspect ratio. Some guess it.


                  Also, you need to change how you think about widescreen. It's a ratio. Black bars DO NOT denote "widescreen", they denote LETTERBOXING, which is the result of putting a widescreen video on a playback device which is narrower, for instance, a 4:3 screen. Ideally, the image should fit the device (cinema screen, television, web player et al) exactly, as this means no pixels are being "wasted". Letterboxing is a workaround, NOT something you should be aiming for.



                  • 6. Re: Wide Screen
                    Powered by Design Level 4

                    This camera records straight to DVD right ?


                    Does that create a .vob file ?


                    If so you can rename the .vob file with .mpg and that will edit fine.


                    If you could use G-Spot and post a screen capture of your footage before you change it.


                    Here is a link for G-Spot.




                    Since you PAL you need to use the preset that says DV PAL widescreen if you shoot in widescreen.


                    Just guessing without seeing what footage you have.



                    ENjoy:  Glenn

                    • 7. Re: Wide Screen
                      Powered by Design Level 4

                      Ignore my last post.


                      The specs on the camera are:


                      Technical Details

                      Main Specifications
                      • Product Description: Canon MD101 - camcorder - Mini DV
                      • Product Type: Camcorder - Widescreen Video Capture
                      • Dimensions (WxDxH): 5.7 cm x 11.9 cm x 9.2 cm
                      • Weight: 375 g
                      • Media Type: Mini DV
                      • Connections
                        • Connector Type: 1 x microphone ¦ 1 x composite video/audio output ¦ 1 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire/i.LINK) ¦ 1 x DC power input



                      Since you have CS3 make sure you start your project off correctly with a DV PAL widescreen preset.


                      Using the firewire to capture to premiere should work.


                      Are you following these steps  ??




                      • 8. Re: Wide Screen
                        AllyPugh Level 1

                        Damn. I've done most of the edit now and want a resolution to it without having to start again ideally.


                        If I start it as DV - PAL do I need: Widescreen 32kHz or Widescreen 48kHz?

                        • 9. Re: Wide Screen
                          Harm Millaard Level 7

                          Widescreen 48 KHz.

                          • 10. Re: Wide Screen
                            Matt Petersen Level 3

                            Ally, no need to start again. Start a new project in the right mode (DV Widescreen 48) and then IMPORT your project into it.


                            But please DO remember you are NOT editing the footage in it's highest quality, original form. You are editing a compressed version of it, courtesy of i-Movie.



                            • 11. Re: Wide Screen
                              AllyPugh Level 1

                              Yeah cheers Imovie!


                              If Premiere would recognise my camera I probably would start again. Oh well. I tried every combination of things and it wouldn't recognise it.


                              Cheers for your help guys, muchly loving Adobe's community area. I'd be lost without it

                              • 12. Re: Wide Screen
                                AllyPugh Level 1

                                So now I've done thatWhat are your recommendtaions for presets omn Exporting?


                                The wider it looks the better

                                • 13. Re: Wide Screen
                                  Level 4




                                  Keep in mind while recommending export options the poster LIKES the widescreen LOOK of letterboxing !



                                  I've been as detailed as I can, I am a Graphic Designer and completely new to Moving Image so my apologies



                                  Anything that can get that look and best quality I think would fit the bill.



                                  • 14. Re: Wide Screen
                                    Matt Petersen Level 3

                                    Fair comment Rod, I did however want to make it clear what letterboxing is, and isn't. The OP is free to choose whichever look she likes!


                                    Ally, the world is your oyster in export options, but your choice largely depends on where this video is headed.


                                    If you're going to YouTube, then pick a high quality WMV or H264 in the 16:9 ratio. If you want to really exagerate the "wideness" of your shot a la cinemascope, then you could bring in some black bars top and bottom, but note that you you won't actually be adding wideness, just giving that "impression".


                                    If you're distributing a file to a known userbase, you could pick a file format that will be most widely supported (like WMV for windows users or QT for Mac users). Again, you "play" with the ratio by using the "crop" function in the exporter.