19 Replies Latest reply: Jun 28, 2011 7:19 AM by bh_s RSS

    cpQuizInfoPointsscored

    yjia70 Community Member

      In some of our elearning lessons, we are using question slides as well as regular slides to quiz students. For click boxes that are part of a regular slide, we've marked the Include in quiz and Add to total check boxes on the Reporting tab. For some reason, the points users get from answering the questions correctly on those slides aren't added to the cpQuizInfoPointsscored variable. The cpQuizInfoPointsscored variable seems to only store the points they get from answering the questions correctly on the question slides. Is there a system variable in Captivate that tracks all points scored, regardless of whether it's from a question slide or not?

       

      When we view user scores using scoring results, the score {score} shows up OK. So there must be some internal system variable that tracks the total points scored. I just don't know what variable is. We need the total score so we can direct users to different screens based on their scores.

       

      Anyway, hope this makes sense. Any suggestions are welcome.

        • 1. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
          Captiv8r CommunityMVP

          Hi there

           

          For starters, you should read the Before you post topic as it is intended to help you.

           

          As for your issue, I'm thinking that you might work around it by using the Advanced Actions and Variables feature of Captivate 4 to manipulate the score.

           

          Cheers... Rick

           

           

           

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          • 2. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
            yjia70 Community Member

            Sorry about the duplicate posting.Won't do it again.

             

            Actually, I am using the Variables/Advanced actions feature to branch out the lesson. I need the name of an internal system variable that tracks user points from answering questions correctly on the questions slides as well on regular slides. cpQuizInfoPointsscored isn't the one I'm looking for, and I tried a couple of other system variables from the pull-down list. None seems to do the job. I was hoping someone more familiar with system variables in Captivate 4 can help me with that.

             

            Anyway, thanks for your suggestion.

            • 3. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
              Captiv8r CommunityMVP

              Hi again

               

              Are you able to manipulate the cpQuizInfoPointsscored variable?

               

              My thought is that perhaps you could manipulate variables using Advanced Actions to ensure the Click Boxes used are somehow added to the variable.

               

              Cheers... Rick

               

               

               

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              • 4. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                yjia70 Community Member

                cpQuizInfoPointsscored won't work. I'm thinking maybe I should use a custom variable to store student scores. I'll let you know if I can get it to work.

                 

                Thanks.

                • 5. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                  rmeyer233

                  Were you ever able to get anything working here? I've run into the exact same problem and I'm hoping I don't have to do everything with Advanced Actions, but will if I have to.

                  • 6. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                    yjia70 Community Member

                    Yes, I created a custom variable to store user points and it worked.

                    • 7. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                      bazi

                      were you able to pass the custom variable to your lms?


                      • 8. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                        Lilybiri CommunityMVP

                        Hello,

                         

                        The score on the score slide will be correct, includes the points scored by the Question slides as well as the points attached to interactive objects. This score will be passed to the LMS. I'm pretty sure because I have uploaded quite a lot of mixed assessments like that on our LMS, which is Blackboard based.

                         

                        Lilybiri

                        • 9. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                          bazi Community Member

                          How do you tell cp to use the custom variable instead of the system built in variable?


                          • 10. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                            Lilybiri CommunityMVP

                            Hello,

                             

                            You do not have to tell CP to give the right score, the one mentioned on the score slide include all scored things (just as you can see it in the Advanced Interaction view). You certainly had the experience that the system variable cpQuizInfoPointsscored only totals the result of the Question slide scores, but the one on the score slide (never got to know which system variable it is) totals not only the scores of the Question slides but also all the scores of interactive objects. I have checked it several times: compared the score passed to the LMS with the score mentioned on the score slide. But I did only use our LMS.

                             

                            Lilybiri

                            • 11. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                              bazi Community Member

                              Thank you Lilybiri. I iwll test to see if this works with my LMS. Also I forgot to mention that I was looking to pass percent completed and not points scored. I don't know if this works the same as points. Basically Im trying to solve my issue posted here http://forums.adobe.com/thread/585397?tstart=0

                               

                              thanks

                               

                              B

                              • 12. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                                Lilybiri CommunityMVP

                                Hi again,

                                 

                                Ask myself always to pass the percentage, avoids having to calculate it myself

                                 

                                But first I really tested it out to be sure that all the scores were totalled in the passed score (and calculated percentage).

                                 

                                Hope it works for you too,

                                 

                                Lilybiri

                                • 13. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                                  bazi Community Member

                                  yes but my scenerio doesnt allow the proper percentage to be passed due to the nature of design of the quiz. Basically i need to give the users 2 attempts to answer a question with a different incorrect feedback message....but my questions are simulation based so I can't use the built in quesiton slides (that would be to easy). So the only way I could get the multiple incorrect feedback to work was using multiple click boxes with different messages inccorect messages for each (incorrect try again , incorrect see course # ) the only problem is that if a user get the question right the first time the second click box doesn't get tallied and the quiz is scored incorrectly which throws off the % correct. I really need a way to implement this scenerio and get the proper % correct sent to the lms.

                                  • 14. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                                    bh_s Community Member

                                    CP4

                                     

                                    Hi,

                                    I'm trying to update the cpQuizInfoPointsscored variable using advanced actions...but no luck. Can anyone help?

                                    Basically I'm building a quiz where some slides are quiz slides and some are normal slides where I build a question. For example a normal slide asks the user to type in some answers into 2 text boxes.I store these in variables.I want to put a 'Done' button which will have the advanced action with the logic

                                    if var1="x" and var2="y" then

                                        add 5 to the cpQuizInfoPointsscored

                                     

                                    ...I just can't figure out how to add 5 to the cpQuizInfoPointsscored variable...

                                    I would really appreciate help on this...

                                    I need to pass these scores to an LMS.

                                     

                                    Thanks

                                    SB

                                    • 15. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                                      Lilybiri CommunityMVP

                                      Hello,

                                       

                                      Have mentioned this so many times, so sorry that the Search function is down.  NO, it is not possible to change this system variable by an advanced action, a lot of those Quizzing System variables are READ ONLY.


                                      The only way to add points to the score is either by using Question slides, or by using interactive objects and attaching the points to those in the Properties panel, Reporting Accordion. For your example, you'll have to put points to the TEB's.

                                       

                                      Lilybiri

                                      • 16. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                                        bh_s Community Member

                                        Thanks a lot. I've been struggling with this for a while.

                                        And sorry about you having to repeat this answer. I did spend time going

                                        through the forums. Even read your blog, then found that in this thread

                                        someone talks of manipulating this quiz variable. That made me wonder if it

                                        could be done.

                                        Thanks again for the prompt reply.

                                         

                                        Regards,

                                        SB

                                        • 17. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                                          bh_s Community Member

                                          Hi,

                                          It's working fine with scoreable TEBs. Thanks.

                                          Another query ...On another slide I want to add  a button like 'Done'. A

                                          click on that should add to the score only if some other condition is met

                                          for example

                                          On click Done

                                               if name='xyz' and 'another condition'

                                                  then treat it as success and add to score

                                               else

                                                  treat it as failure

                                           

                                          Is it possible to implement something like this? I would really really

                                          appreciate your help.

                                          I'm actually trying to create a 'match the following' and I am able to

                                          create a normal non scoring slide for this using variables to track what is

                                          matched with what. The problem is I can't manage to make it scoring.

                                          • 18. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                                            Lilybiri CommunityMVP

                                            Hello,

                                             

                                            Since weeks I'm trying to find time to prepare a blog post about reporting to a LMS with custom questions, but never seem to find time. It is a bit complicated because of some reasons:

                                            1. Quizzing variables are read only
                                            2. You cannot have a negative score attached to an object or Question slide
                                            3. All score registrated in the Advanced Interaction view will be added to the total score.

                                             

                                            The use case you described would be one of the examples I want to describe. Since it is a white/black situation, try out this work flow:

                                             

                                            • create 2 buttons 'Done1' and 'Done2' that are looking identical, hide them both
                                            • attach a score of 0 points to Done1 and X points to Done2: both scores will be added to the total score, but since one of them is 0, no problem
                                            • create a conditional advanced action as you described; you can add points to a user variable as well but to add it to the Total Score that will be reported to the LMS
                                            • show the proper button: Done1 if the condition was not met, Done2 if it was OK.
                                            • the user will click the button, and the score will be added to the Total score

                                             

                                            Hope this makes sense?

                                             

                                            Lilybiri

                                            • 19. Re: cpQuizInfoPointsscored
                                              bh_s Community Member

                                              Thanks Lilybiri, you just solved my problem. And  I really appreciate your

                                              quick response.

                                               

                                              Regards,

                                              SB