7 Replies Latest reply on Jan 18, 2010 4:38 PM by imfishinohio

    off center rotation doesn't rotate shape

    imfishinohio

      I drew a trapezoid and went to rotate it off center at 20 degree increments.It was copying it but the shape itself wasn't rotating. In other words the small side was up  at 0 degrees and also up at 180 degrees. How can I get the shape to rotate off center in 20 degree increments and also have the shape rotate too? I did change it to a symbol but which it did rotate but then I couldn't change the color of a copy without changing all the symbol in the original so that won't work.

        • 1. Re: off center rotation doesn't rotate shape
          Mylenium Most Valuable Participant

          Object --> Transform Each perhaps? Or create an action for it and assign it to a shortcut key...

           

          Mylenium

          • 2. Re: off center rotation doesn't rotate shape
            Scott Falkner Level 5

            It sounds like you clicked on one segment of the trapezoid using the Direct Select tool (white arrow). This selects only the segment you clicked on. Illustrator was once very innovative in that it let users select part of a shape for rotation or scaling, while other programs only allowed transformations on the entire object. Illustrator is no longer unique in this regard, but the cumbersome multiple ways to select objects remain and are a constant source of frustration to new users (an a constant source of book sales to Adobe).


            Either hold Option (Mac) or Alt (Windows) as you click on the trapezoid or use the Select tool (black arrow) to select it before doing a transformation. You can tell an entire object is selected when all the points on its path are solid. If there are any hollow points, then the object is only partly selected. Note that in my illustration, thee is no way to tell that the top segment is selected in the first example. Brilliant execution for a >20 year old program.

            Screen shot 2010-01-18 at 9.11.24 AM.PNG

            • 3. Re: off center rotation doesn't rotate shape
              JETalmage Level 6
              Illustrator was once very innovative in that it let users select part of a shape for rotation or scaling, while other programs only allowed transformations on the entire object.

               

              I don't know what about this behavior in Illustrator can be called "innovative."

               

              For as long as I can remember, FreeHand's treatment of so-called "power duplication" of segments and anchorpoints has been superior to Illustrator's.

               

              If you "power duplicate" (step-and-repeat by transforming a copy) a sub-selection in Illustrator, it lamely breaks the affected segment from the path, yielding results like that you pictured.

               

              If you do that same operation in FreeHand, the sub-selection is replicated and transformed as a sub-selected part of a new path. It does not, as I read your comment above, simply transform/duplicate the whole path.

               

              So you can do progressive alterations of a path's shape, with power-duplication in FH, whereas you can't in AI; AI just lamely replicates a bunch of disjointed identical segments. Moreover, FH's treatment of power-duplication allows for the combination of several different transformations (scale, rotate, skew, etc.) whereas in Illustrator, you have to resort to Transform Effect for such combinations. And Transform Effect does not provide for a remotely-positioned center-of-transformation without a workaround involving another object to serve as the COT. And FH's ability in this regard predates AI's Transform Effect.

               

              All that said, however, I don't see anything in im-fishing-in-ohio's original question to indicate that just a segment of the trapezoid is being duplicated/transformed. That's the problem: Im has not stated what exactly he/she is doing. There are several ways to rotate-with-copy. The problem as described is that copies are retaining the same orientation relative to the page. That would suggest that the trapezoid is a distortion applied as a live effect. Im-fishing needs to explain exactly what he/she is doing.

               

              JET

              • 4. Re: off center rotation doesn't rotate shape
                imfishinohio Level 1

                Thank you both for a reply. Scott I am selecting the whole shape. Here is a picture of what my rotate tool is doing. I expected when using the rotate tool  like this the shape would rotate also. I'm doing a tutorial and the author's shape rotates with each copy. I am copying them using "control D" like it says in the manual.

                forum.jpg

                • 5. Re: off center rotation doesn't rotate shape
                  Scott Falkner Level 5

                  James,


                  It was innovative in 1987, when all I then knew was CricketDraw, MacDraw, and MacDraft. All of those programs let you move and edit one point on a path (beziers  for CD, smooth polygons for the rest), but scaling and rotating were only applied to an entire shape or group. Since 1988, when I first used FreeHand, Illustrator has lagged behind, never really trying to play catch-up.


                  Fish in OH


                  It looks like your “trapezoid” is  rectangle with a Warp effect applied. Illustrator’s effects do not rotate, so the same warp transformation is applied in the same direction on each copy. Either expand the effect before rotating or turn the original object into a symbol, then rotate and copy.

                  • 6. Re: off center rotation doesn't rotate shape
                    imfishinohio Level 1

                    OK Scott, expanding the apperance  worked. Thank you very much for the lesson and the help.

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                    • 7. Re: off center rotation doesn't rotate shape
                      imfishinohio Level 1

                      Myleniem, I did try your suggestion. If I understood it right but all the copies still

                      kept the same orientation as the original. Scott's suggestion on expanding

                      the appearance worked. Thanks for the input and it might not of fixed my

                      problem but it gave me a little in site which might help this newbie in the

                      future.

                        Thanks again.

                                Kenny