9 Replies Latest reply on Jan 22, 2010 3:55 PM by the_wine_snob

    How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?

    FredJ_x

       

      I have a 1hr 36 min. project in PE1.  I want to split it into two different projects of about 48 min. each and burn two DVDs.  My intent is to get a better MPEG resolution for these smaller projects.

      Can I select half of the timeline, cut it and paste it into a new project?  Would the effects be preserved?  I have a week of work invested in this project and I don’t want to screw it up!

       

      Thanks

      Fred J.

        • 1. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
          nealeh Level 5

          FredJ_x wrote:

           

           

          I have a 1hr 36 min. project in PE1.  I want to split it into two different projects of about 48 min. each and burn two DVDs.  My intent is to get a better MPEG resolution for these smaller projects.

          I suggest you test for improved resolution via 'burn to folder'. I'm not sure there would be very much difference in the quality for a 1 1/2 hour film.

          FredJ_x wrote:

           

           

          Can I select half of the timeline, cut it and paste it into a new project?  Would the effects be preserved?  I have a week of work invested in this project and I don’t want to screw it up!

           

          Use File Save As to duplicate the project under a new name. Delete half from file one and the other half from file two.

           

          Cheers,
          --
          Neale
          Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

          • 2. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
            Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

            DVDs are, of course, a fixed resolution. You can not improve the resolution of a DVD. It will always be 720x480 pixels.

            • 3. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
              the_wine_snob Level 9

              FredJ,

               

              Welcome to the forum.

               

              I agree with both Neale and Steve, though it might at first appear that they are saying two different things.

               

              The bit-rate in the Transcoding to MPEG-2 will be determined by the Duration of the Timeline and the capacity of the blank media, whether DVD-5, or DVD-9. In most versions of PrE, this bit-rate will be a function of the Quality Slider, but the ultimate bit-rate for the combined video and audio is set in the DVD-specs. One cannot exceed about 8 b/s.

               

              Now, with your Duration, there might be a very slight increase in the bit-rate, were you to take Neale's advice and break your Project into two parts, however, I think that his advice to study the result of your entire Timeline is good, as I doubt that one could tell the differences, unless you have a great deal of fast motion, of either the camera, or the subject, and then it's likely that the quality would appear to be the same to the human eye.

               

              Steve is correct in that the result will have to be within the DVD-specs, and will only be 720x480, at up to that max. bit-rate. That is as good as it gets.

               

              For the ultimate test, I would take Neale's suggestion on Burning to Folder one step further. Once that is done, you can first test your Project with a DVD software program on your computer. BUT, be aware that you are viewing on a higher-rez, progressive computer monitor, and its rez will exceed that of a TV and that of a DVD-Video disc. Thus, it is not a perfect test. To get an idea of how the DVD will look on a set-top player, hooked to a TV, you can either, also burn to a DVD RW (rewritable disc) to test on a set-top player, or you can use the free burning utility, ImgBurn, to burn to a DVD RW and test. The reason for the Rewritable media is so that you can reuse it for testing. You will NOT be using this disc for delivery, but just for testing. Now, if you feel that very slight decrease in bit-rate is noticed, you can go back to his suggestion on how to split the Project, and then produce a multi-disc. set for the Project.

               

              Also, the ultimate quality and also playability of the DVD-Video will be enhanced if you use quality blank media. I strongly recommend Verbatim, or Taiyo Yuden blank media. Brands like Memorex, TDK, recent Ritek and ALL "store-brands," are to be avoided. One is also best served by buying slower speed media, as PrE will measure the speed of the media and the speed of the drive and try to get you the fastest possible burn. It does not allow you to set the speed of the burn manually. Most people feel that stepping down from a max. burn speed produces a better DVD. I routinely will drop the burn speed (in other software) to about 1/2 of the max., and have had thousands of perfect DVD's. One can set the burn speed in the above mentioned ImgBurn utility.

               

              To distill the above: try it and see if your Project isn't perfect now, and if not, then break it apart into two segments. I doubt that you could tell the difference.

               

              Good luck,

               

              Hunt

              • 4. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
                FredJ_x Level 1

                I did just what you said:  one project was 38 min., the other 58 min.  The effects were preserved. When burning the DVD, I unchecked the "Fit contents to the available space" and set the slider to 8 Mbps, resulting in a required space of 2.27 GB.  It took 10 hours to compress(!), but I have an old 1 GHz Pentium III with only 500 MB of RAM.  I do have a 7,200 RPM hard disk, but only 20 GB of headroom.  The source material were 18-year old analog camcorder cassettes. Anyway, the result was very good.

                 

                Thanks for your response.

                 

                Fred J.

                • 5. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
                  FredJ_x Level 1

                  Agree, but 8 Mbps compression is better than ,say 2 Mbps

                  compression.

                   

                  Thanks

                   

                  Fred J.

                  • 6. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                    Fred J,

                     

                    How were these old tapes digitized? What was the source footage (the files) that you were Importing into PrE?

                     

                    When you say that the results were poor, how did they compare with what you were seeing in PrE? Can you describe how you found them to be "poor?"

                     

                    There is probably some way to improve things, but that will come from the answers to the above questions.

                     

                    Good luck,

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
                      FredJ_x Level 1

                      Very good points.  I will burn the full 1hr 36 min. and look at it on a TV.  This will be in a few days, as I am going skiing this weekend.

                      I did not know that the DVD type/brand made this much difference.  My DVDs are Sony DVD-R 1X-16x P/N 100DMR47RSP.

                      I was very happy with the result of the burn.  It's actually better the the original analog video (from my 1992 camcorder), due to the fact that I corrected some color problems and many highlight/shadow problems.

                      BTW, the video has a lot of fast action, since it recounts the life of my grandson...

                       

                      Thanks

                       

                      Fred J.

                      • 8. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
                        FredJ_x Level 1

                        The 1992 HI-8 analog tapes were played from a CCD-TRV85 Sony analog camcorder (the original 1992 camcorder is long dead) into a Sony DCR-PC330 digital camcorder and the resulting digital data acquired on the fly using PE1.

                        BTW, I never said that "the results were poor".

                        As I say in the other message, I will burn the full 1 hr. 36 min. and see if there is any quality difference.  This will happen next Monday at best.

                         

                        Fred J.

                        • 9. Re: How to split a PE1 project into two smaller projects?
                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                          Fred J,

                           

                          My bad. I mentally inserted a "not" just before "very good." Sorry about that - mea culpa, mea culpa.

                           

                          Your method of digitizing is a good one, and is the #2 recommendation. Now, just the MPEG-2 Transcoding will show up in motion, either camera, or subject. That is a failing of the "beast." Hollywood uses extreme multi-pass Transcoding in software that costs as much as most homes, and run by experts, who do nothing else all day long. Still, if one looks carefully at the edges of a subject in fast motion, there will be degradation.

                           

                          Now, glad that things are looking good for you!

                           

                          Depending on where you are, there should be much great snow right now. From CA to CO, from NM through AZ to UT, there is plenty of the white stuff. Hope you find some untracked powder. Enjoy!

                           

                          Hunt