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1. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Eugene Tyson Jan 27, 2010 3:10 AM (in response to JWH-NIRC)Would you have perchance given CTRL SHIFT V to another shortcut?
I'd try rebuilding the preferences.
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2. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
JWH-NIRC Jan 27, 2010 4:34 AM (in response to Eugene Tyson)I have no such shortcut. In fact, I have no shortcuts of my own at all. The Ctrl-Shift-V only fails to pick up Unicode. The rest of the text somes through fine, but Unicode shows up as 2-bite nonsense. Once again, clicking on the drop-down Edit menu and "Paste without formatting" puts the same text in perfectly, Unicode and all. Try copying this text and see if you get the same thing:
"This is a test for 日本語 and some diacritical marks like nirvāṇa in the midst of ordinary text."
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3. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
BobLevine Jan 27, 2010 5:05 AM (in response to JWH-NIRC)Paste without formatting will use the formatting of the target. Do you have a different font there?
Perhaps the glyphs don't exist in that font?
Bob
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4. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Eugene Tyson Jan 27, 2010 5:17 AM (in response to BobLevine)Bob - I'm really perplexed by this one, theOP is saying that it works fine using the Edit>Paste Without Formating; but it won't work using the Shortcut.
That's very strange behaviour. I still suggest Rebuilding the Preferences to see if it fixes it.
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5. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
JWH-NIRC Jan 27, 2010 2:44 PM (in response to BobLevine)The font is not the question. If you try out my passage in a font that has all the characters (like Arial Unicode MS), you will see that. The preferences, by the way, are not the problem either.
Incidentally, I just checked with a colleague who has the same version of CS3 as I, and recently installed it on a fresh Windows 7 computer. Same problem.
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6. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Eugene Tyson Jan 27, 2010 2:57 PM (in response to JWH-NIRC)Did you check the Preferences for Clipboard Handling (I think it's under that)
Import All Styles
Import Text Only
It might make a difference.
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7. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
JWH-NIRC Jan 27, 2010 3:17 PM (in response to Eugene Tyson)The preferences you are referring to have to do with importing from other applications. I always have this set to TEXT ONLY, because I don't want odd
fonts and tags coming in. I did mess around with the PDF clipboard, but of course that made no different in any of the settings.
So here is my question: if you open a new document and make two frames, with both of them set to the Arial Unicode MS typefact. In one of them copy my sample text. The Japanese characters and the Sanskrit diacriticals will show up. Then copy the passage to the other frame over with a Ctrl-Shift-V. No go, right? Then try it with the dro-down menu.Now it should work okay.
I am still guessing it has something to do with the latest update.
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8. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Eugene Tyson Jan 27, 2010 6:04 PM (in response to JWH-NIRC)Ok - followed your instructions to the letter.
And it worked just fine.
The only thing I can think of is that there is a character style or nested style, or perhaps grep style applied to the second frames text.
If you like to post a sample of your file here via yousendit or other file sending service please feel free
I'd be happy to see your file.
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9. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
JWH-NIRC Jan 27, 2010 10:15 PM (in response to Eugene Tyson)Thanks for offering to help. This has been driving me nuts.
I have attached the file, as you requested.
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Ctrl-Shift-V test.indd.zip 459.9 K
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10. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
P Spier Jan 28, 2010 2:36 AM (in response to JWH-NIRC)I don't seem to have Arial Unicode, so I tried with Kozuka Gothic Pr6n which has most of the required glyphs, and the shortcut works OK here, too.
Have you tried trashing your prefs?
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11. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Eugene Tyson Jan 28, 2010 3:13 AM (in response to JWH-NIRC)Seems to be working just fine for me too.
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12. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Joel Cherney Jan 28, 2010 10:38 AM (in response to JWH-NIRC)Works just fine here, in a rather wide variety of fonts.
The preferences, by the way, are not the problem either.
Peter wasn't saying "you set up your preferences incorrectly" but "the files holding your preferences may have become corrupt; step through the pref-refresh stickied at the top of the forum." Frankly, I can't imagine another possible cause at the moment.
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13. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
P Spier Jan 28, 2010 10:43 AM (in response to Joel Cherney)Actually, Peter isn't 100% sure what he's saying today. In addition to the normal bats in the belfry, I have squirrels in the attic that wake me up very early and I'm a bit sleep deprived.
If, indeed the preference is set to paste formatted text, then I think it's either a case of same-name/different-definition styles or some sort of corruption.
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14. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Joel Cherney Jan 28, 2010 11:21 AM (in response to P Spier)Ha! Joel's not certain what Peter is saying... in fact, he seems to be confused about who Peter is. Sorry, Eugene, I jumped the gun and assumed that the first responder with "replace your prefs" was obviously Peter. Um, go team?
But really, if we're talking about "paste without formatting" then the clipboard prefs shouldn't apply, right? We should be talking about raw text, and raw text on the ID clipboard gets stored in Unicode, I think, which makes the OP's character drop a classic big-endian drop. I found this on some random conversation about InDesign and VB scripting:
Some VB MVP posted in a barely related thread on another forum:
Note that the clipboard does not support plain text in multiple character sets.Message was edited by: Joel Cherney
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15. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
P Spier Jan 28, 2010 11:22 AM (in response to Joel Cherney)Well, now you're starting to make sense. This is scary.
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16. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Eugene Tyson Jan 28, 2010 11:24 AM (in response to Joel Cherney)But the sample file provided works fine for me, on Windows Vista.
Not sure if the OS is the problem here.
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17. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Joel Cherney Jan 28, 2010 11:25 AM (in response to P Spier)Well, my statements are becoming more internally coherent, but they're just as wrong. Further reading indicates that my quote was actually about the Excel clipboard... I'm actually having a hard time finding good info about the ID clipboard.
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18. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Joel Cherney Jan 28, 2010 11:28 AM (in response to Eugene Tyson)Not sure if the OS is the problem here.
Well, assuming that ID does register a private clipboard format, and that Adobe is using a type rendering system (CoolType, do they still call it that?) which does not touch the MS Uniscribe stuff, it really couldn't be, could it?
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19. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
P Spier Jan 28, 2010 11:42 AM (in response to Joel Cherney)Mine are less so. I'm now crossing threads... I don't have a clue about this one.
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20. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Joel Cherney Jan 28, 2010 12:24 PM (in response to JWH-NIRC)I just re-read the whole thread. Hey OP, have you tried trashing your prefs yet? Thinking back on the "it works from the menu but not the keyboard" makes me think of most of this thread as red herrings caused or pursued by confused and/or decaffienated posters. It's your prefs; trash 'em.
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21. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Eugene Tyson Jan 28, 2010 12:40 PM (in response to Joel Cherney)i said trash prefs on day 1
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22. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Joel Cherney Jan 28, 2010 12:53 PM (in response to Eugene Tyson)Yeah, and OP said, "It's not the prefs." Then Peter and I muddied the waters for a good while, but your advice is still the best thus far. I'm waiting for the OP to either
a) post "Oh boy, is there egg on my face! It was the prefs, thanks for your help!"
or
b) vanish forever.
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23. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
JWH-NIRC Jan 28, 2010 2:34 PM (in response to Joel Cherney)I wouldn't mind egg on my face--if trashing the prefs had worked. I tried it on my computer and my colleague tried it on his. No luck. In fact, now the dro-down menu doesn't work either, so we have to restore the prefs.
What I would mind is having to vanish without a solution, since you people seem to be the best hope!
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24. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Eugene Tyson Jan 28, 2010 2:41 PM (in response to JWH-NIRC)What OS are you running?
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25. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Joel Cherney Jan 28, 2010 3:15 PM (in response to JWH-NIRC)I wouldn't mind egg on my face--if trashing the prefs had worked. I tried it on my computer and my colleague tried it on his. No luck. In fact, now the dro-down menu doesn't work either, so we have to restore the prefs.
???
Trashing prefs should restore your install of ID to a default state, with bog-standard menus. If trashing prefs made your problem worse rather than better, I am officially confused.
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26. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
Joel Cherney Jan 29, 2010 10:15 AM (in response to JWH-NIRC)Don't give up hope just yet; there are quite a few remote possibilities.
1) So, I'd assume that refreshing the prefs would reset your install of Indy to the out-of-the-box state. It didn't, implying that something is significantly wrong with your install. That would call for a full uninstall/reinstall, but not yet, as there are plenty of other less troublesome things to try...
2) You and a coworker both tried trashing prefs - it's happening on a variety of machines. One thing I'd try is "Does it happen in a new user?" But the major difference is that you experience it in your workplace, but none of us experience it. What's different about your workplace? Does everyone have a third-party ID plugin installed? Do group policies apply to your workstations that make changes to the registry w/r/t InDesign stuff? If you have the power to boot your machine locally without touching the network at all, then I'd physically yank the Ethernet cable, boot up, make a new user, log in as that new user, and try again. Does it still happen?
3) There's not anything funny about your hardware, is there? You're not dual-booting Windows and OS X, and using a key remapper utility in Windows to fix up your command/control/alt/etc. keys, are you?
4) Uh...
Okay, maybe "quite a few remote possibilities" is an exaggeration. I'm sure that something else will occur to us. Also, I'm seconding Eugene's request for platform information. Is it all fresh installs of CS3 on Win7, or are there any other platforms in use?
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27. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
[Jongware] Jan 29, 2010 12:45 PM (in response to Joel Cherney)5) Assign any other key combo to Paste Without Fmt. Does it work that way? (Pertinychance some piece of hard or software is interfering with that particular combo.)
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28. Re: Paste without formatting shortcut fails in CS3
JWH-NIRC Jan 29, 2010 3:43 PM (in response to [Jongware])Well, what do you know! Ths did the trick. I changed the key assignment to Ctrl-Alt-V and everything works fine. I also looked into the suggestions about our machines and disabled any non-standard startup program, but that didn't do the trick. No idea what caused the problem, but the fix didn't hurt at all.
Sorry for taking so much of your time, but I do appreciate the kindness.



