23 Replies Latest reply on Feb 9, 2010 5:56 AM by the_wine_snob

    Need Help On Premierre Element 7

    DelegateMath

      I am currently running Premierre Element 7 on Windows Vista.  Every time I ran this program on high definition editing, I got the following warning message:

       

      "Premierre Element is running with low memory.  Please save your file and proceed with caution."

       

      Then a few minutes later, the program terminated by itself. 

       

      This has happened over and over again.  Can some one suggest a solution?

        • 1. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
          nealeh Level 5

          The most likely reason is that your PC is not powerful enough for HD editing. But let us have some more information please:

          • Does PRE7 work with SD footage?
          • What is source of the HD footage? (If from a camcorder then make and model number).
          • Is it AVCHD or HDV? See here for a recent discussion - http://forums.adobe.com/thread/565252?tstart=0
          • What are your system specifications? (especially processor, graphics card, memory, and number of hard disks (total capacity and current free space).
          • What other programs/processes are running at the same time as PRE?

           

          Cheers,
          --
          Neale
          Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

          • 2. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
            the_wine_snob Level 9

            This ARTICLE (and its links) will allow us to see much more about your computer. As Neale states, it is likely the computer, that is the bottleneck. With the info requested in the article, we can basically survey your system remotely, and can make comments on getting more resources for your system.

             

            To get you started, "resources," are basically your system's RAM and also your Windows Virtual Memory (Page File). They will be finite. Many other programs and Processes can sap these, when you are editing. This ARTICLE will give you tips on getting the greatest number of resources for your editing program.

             

            There are also several articles in the FAQ sub-forum (to the right of the article list in the main forum page), on optimizing both the program, and your OS. Steve Grisetti has done a great job of those. Have a look at them, too.

             

            Good luck,

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
              DelegateMath Level 1

              Thank you for your repiles.

               

              Below is some additional information concerning my project:

               

              Computer Info

               

              Model: SONY VAIO

              Type: Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo Processor T8100
              Speed: 2.10GHz
              Front Side Bus Speed: 800MHz
              L2 Cache: 3MB

              Memory
              Type: DDR2
              Installed: 3GB (2GBx1+1GBx1) PC2-5300
              Maximum: 4GB
              Speed: 667MHz

              Graphics
              Processor: NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GT GPU with
              Total Available Graphics Memory: 1535MD
              (max.)

              Operating System: Genuine MicrosoftR Windows
              VistaR Home Premium

              System Type: 32 bit OS

              Video Clips Info

               

              Type 1:

               

              General #0
              Complete name                : I:\MKV Files\Beyond The Realm Of Conscience\01.mp4
              Format                       : MPEG-4
              Format/Info                  : ISO 14496-1 Base Media
              Format/Family                : MPEG-4
              File size                    : 990 MiB
              PlayTime                     : 44mn 11s
              Bit rate                     : 3132 Kbps
              StreamSize                   : 1.22 MiB
              Encoded date                 : UTC 2009-10-18 13:59:09
              Tagged date                  : UTC 2009-10-18 13:59:09

              Video #0
              Codec                        : AVC
              Codec/Family                 : AVC
              Codec/Info                   : MPEG-4 AVC
              Codec profile                : High@L4.1
              Codec settings, CABAC        : Yes
              PlayTime                     : 44mn 11s
              Bit rate mode                : VBR
              Bit rate                     : 3000 Kbps
              Maximum bit rate             : 8773 Kbps
              Width                        : 1280 pixels
              Height                       : 720 pixels
              Display Aspect ratio         : 16/9
              Frame rate mode              : CFR
              Frame rate                   : 25.000 fps
              Chroma                       : 4:2:0
              Interlacement                : Progressive
              Bits/(Pixel*Frame)           : 0.130
              StreamSize                   : 948 MiB
              Encoded date                 : UTC 2009-10-18 13:18:55
              Tagged date                  : UTC 2009-10-18 14:00:24

              Audio #0
              Codec                        : AAC LC
              Codec/Family                 : AAC
              Codec/Info                   : AAC Low Complexity
              PlayTime                     : 44mn 11s
              Bit rate mode                : VBR
              Bit rate                     : 129 Kbps
              Maximum bit rate             : 139 Kbps
              Channel(s)                   : 2 channels
              Channel positions            : L R
              Sampling rate                : 48.0 KHz
              Resolution                   : 16 bits
              StreamSize                   : 40.6 MiB
              Encoded date                 : UTC 2009-10-18 13:19:20
              Tagged date                  : UTC 2009-10-18 14:00:24

               

              Type 2:

               

              General #0
              ID                           : 1
              Complete name                : I:\MKV Files\Conversion\Beyond The Realm of Conscience\06\BDMV\STREAM\00001.m2ts
              Format                       : BluRay Video
              Format/Family                : MPEG-2
              File size                    : 1.11 GiB
              PlayTime                     : 32ms

              Video #0
              ID                           : 4113 (0x1011)
              MenuID                       : 1 (0x1)
              Codec                        : AVC
              Codec/Family                 : AVC
              Codec/Info                   : MPEG-4 AVC
              Codec profile                : Main@L4.1
              Codec settings, CABAC        : Yes
              Width                        : 1280 pixels
              Height                       : 720 pixels
              Display Aspect ratio         : 16/9
              Frame rate                   : 25.000 fps
              Chroma                       : 4:2:0
              Interlacement                : Progressive

              Audio #0
              ID                           : 4352 (0x1100)
              MenuID                       : 1 (0x1)
              Codec                        : AC3
              PlayTime                     : 32ms
              Bit rate mode                : CBR
              Bit rate                     : 384 Kbps
              Channel(s)                   : 6 channels
              Channel positions            : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
              Sampling rate                : 48.0 KHz

               

              There were 2 types of video files that I imported to PE7 detailed information of which is as given above.  There were altogether 16 such video clips each of size 1GB.  As indicated in my first post, PE7 terminated a number of times before I was finally able to insert all of them into the time line, complete my editing and construction of the desired menus and finally get to the point where encoding began.  I set the output to be sent to a single layer blu-ray disc with total capacity of 25GB.  The total space required for the output as calculated by PE7 was approximately 22GB.  PE7 then kept running for about 2 days until it got to the point where encoding was 98% completed and then all of sudden it terminated again with a message called "error".  No additional information or explanation was given as to what this error was about.  All the encoding that was completed during the 2 days was completely lost.

               

              I would appreciate any suggested solution to this problem, in particular any comment as to the error message "error", the possible reasons for the last termination or any method to save the encoding work in the event of a termination.

              • 4. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                the_wine_snob Level 9

                When Export/Transcoding does not complete, there is nothing that one can salvage unfortunately.

                 

                I'd start with this ARTICLE to eliminate anything unnecessary, that will be sapping resources. Most computers have tons of such programs and Processes, and the majority are not necessary in the first place, and many of the rest are not needed, while you're editing.

                 

                Also, considering the processes that are involved, two places that I would also look into would be heat build up (SpeedFan will help you), and also your power supply. Exporting can be intense and can stress some other aspects of your computer much more than normal.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                  DelegateMath Level 1

                  Just so you know.  I did have a cooling fan placed under the laptop while running PE7.

                  • 6. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                    Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                    How much free, defragmented space is left on your laptop hard drive?

                     

                    This type of video is going to require many, many gigabytes of defragmented scratch disc space to transcode.

                    • 7. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                      DelegateMath Level 1

                      I have 54GB free space on the laptop internal hard drive.  In addition, I also had an external hard drive connected to it.  The external hard drive had 99 GB free space.

                      • 8. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                        the_wine_snob Level 9

                        Use SpeedFan to monitor your heat in all areas, where you have sensors. Heat can shut things down in a hurry.

                         

                        Good luck,

                         

                        Hunt

                        • 9. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                          How is the external HDD being used, and what is its connection type, USB, FW-400, FW-800, or eSATA?

                           

                          Good luck,

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                            DelegateMath Level 1

                            The source videos were stored on the external HDD.  PE7 was run from the internal HDD.

                            • 11. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                              DelegateMath Level 1

                              Connection type was USB.

                              • 12. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                DelegateMath Level 1

                                I am thinking

                                about breaking this up into 4 small projects

                                and export to mpeg. Have you ever tried this approach before?

                                • 13. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                  John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  External USB hard drives do not have a fast enough connection for video editing... but you may use eSATA for an external drive

                                  • 14. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                                    When you say "stored on," do you mean that you Imported FROM the external HDD, and hence linked to that file, and it remains ON that external, or do you mean that you just Copied it to your internal (C:\) HDD, and Imported from there? There is a major difference between those two workflows.

                                     

                                    As John T points out, USB devices are too slow to edit to/from. Even getting the media directly from one, can be problematic. The connection is fine for just Copying to, Copying from, but when one is using it directly in the workflow, problems can, and usually do, arise.

                                     

                                    Thanks for taking the time to define this distinction and good luck,

                                     

                                    Hunt

                                    • 15. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                      the_wine_snob Level 9

                                      Going to DVD-Video will require MPEG-2 Transcoding at some point BUT... if you are going to break the Project into pieces, I urge you to leave MPEG out of the mix for now. Use DV-AVI instead. Then, Import those DV-AVI Exported files into a "master" Project to assemble. At that point, when you Burn to DVD, the program will do your MPEG-2 Transcoding for you. If you do any MPEG encoding before, the compression will be compounded and quality WILL suffer. There is no way around that. Keep MPEG out of the mix, until you let the program do it for you, to go to DVD-Video disc.

                                       

                                      Good luck, and hope that this helps,

                                       

                                      Hunt

                                      • 16. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                        DelegateMath Level 1

                                        Exporting to DV-AVI would not allow me to save output in high definition format.  My source videos are 720P in quality.  My ultimate goal is to burn high definition video onto a blu-ray disc.

                                        • 17. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                          DelegateMath Level 1

                                          I imported the video clips directly from the external HDD.  My external HDD is a small portable one and has only one USB port.  Can you explain what eSATA is and how I can use it on my external HDD.

                                           

                                          Thanks for your comments.

                                          • 18. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                            the_wine_snob Level 9

                                            DVD-Video is limited to the specs - and those are NOT HD. HD is BD, but one can burn HD to a DVD disc, for play on a BD player. The big limitation is the Duration. Now, too many hope to burn to a DVD-Video, in HD, that can be played on a non-BD player. That is not going to happen.BD does not equal DVD-Video, with just higher def. They are different format.

                                             

                                            Hunt

                                            • 19. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                              the_wine_snob Level 9

                                              Well, eSATA is a connection protocol, like USB, FW-400, FW-800. However, it is faster than any of those. Basically, it allows one to use an external exactly like SATA II internals.  One needs first the eSATA capable drive, and then a method to connect. This could be a PCMICA slot, an ExpressCard slot, or an eSATA card in a PCI/PCIe slot. Oh, the correct cables are also required.

                                               

                                              Good luck,

                                               

                                              Hunt

                                              • 20. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                                DelegateMath Level 1

                                                Talking about burning HD to a  DVD disc for play on BD player, do you think PE7 can do that?  If so, how?

                                                If this is possible, maybe I can break my project into small ones burning 2-3 files onto a single layer DVD instead of trying to burn 16 of them onto a blu-ray disc.

                                                • 21. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                                  Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                                                  It is not possible to burn BluRay files to a standard DVD with Premiere Elements, Math.

                                                  • 22. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                    This ARTICLE might give you some tips on getting HD material to DVD-Video.

                                                     

                                                    Good luck,

                                                     

                                                    Hunt

                                                    • 23. Re: Need Help On Premierre Element 7
                                                      the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                      Here's a bit of follow up in this forum ARTICLE. Some different people weighing-in.

                                                       

                                                      Good luck,

                                                       

                                                      Hunt