8 Replies Latest reply on Feb 8, 2010 10:44 AM by ~graffiti

    6 is dead!

    {sitewide} Level 3

      For at least 6 months now I have stopped support for IE6...maybe even longer. I even refused to give advice on the forums for IE6 related issues and instead advised to drop support for those with such issues. Why spend the time with hacks and work arounds for a dying browser?!? Some of the biggest companies on the web dropped IE6 support...why are people still trying to design for a small percent of the viewers?!?

       

      Well it is truly time for everyone to let go IE6....google has now anounced they are dropping IE6 support!..as well as Microsoft...yes...Microsoft!

      http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2010/01/modern-browsers-for-modern-applications.html

        • 1. Re: 6 is dead!
          Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          10 -12% isn't such a small number of global users.

          http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

           

           

          Nancy O.

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          • 2. Re: 6 is dead!
            {sitewide} Level 3

            Nancy Nancy Nancy...don't take this personally, but of all the people, I knew you would reply first with support for IE6. Those numbers are falling (and not accurately detailed) and falling fast. Google dropped IE6 because of one reason...makes great business sense! If you choose to continue to support falling numbers in your work then that is your choice. Google is one of  the largest businesses on the web not to mention the world...that 10% will need to use their services at some point...so that only means upgrade or find another browser.

             

            I am moving forward with the rest of the web world.

             

            No support= upgrade ( and yes this means for large corporations that hold onto IE6)

             

            10%... 9%... 8%... 7%... 6%... 5%... 4%... 3%... 2%... 1%.. gone!

            • 3. Re: 6 is dead!
              Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Hey, I'm not bashing you or anyone else for dropping IE6 support.  I would too if I could.  But some clients and their customers still use it, ergo I'm not in a position to completely ignore the 12, 10 or even 5% of web users who cling to the wretched thing.

               

              As for Google Apps, they can afford to do whatever they please.  Even though their Apps won't support IE6, I'm sure their search engines will.

               

              Monty Python (bring out your dead)

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

               

               

               

              Nancy O.

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              • 4. Re: 6 is dead!
                martcol Level 4

                I wouldn't mind never having to think about IE 6 ever again in my life but I always test in in it.

                 

                Consider this: I work for an employer that has 320,000 employees.  Not all of them use a computer but they all live and work in one part of the country and if they are accessing a PC at work, and if they need the internets, they will be using IE 6.

                 

                Martin

                • 5. Re: 6 is dead!
                  jon@cmiwebstudio Level 3

                  1. writing conditional ie rules can be frustrating for developers (particularly less experienced ones), but with proper coding techniques, you shouldn't require many if any.

                   

                  2. if you've been doing this for a while, you know the ones to look for because these bugs appear in particular conditions and there are documented workarounds for these browser limitations.

                   

                  3. know your clients and their target audience. be sure not to under estimate how many people are using ie6, including large corporations and government facilities... IT controlled environments that are forced to use ie6, that are likely to fall through the cracks of any publicly hailed stat collection.  Even within the last year, I've worked on websites where upwards of 40% of their traffic was using ie6, including the hospitals entire network of staff.

                   

                  4. you might get away with it, but is it worth the risk?  you know a % does exist, and you will have a very unhappy client to know you intentionally ignored cross browser compatibility because of your feelings about the browser, especially knowing all if takes is maybe 1-3 conditional css rules that are easily predictable.  if your work consists mostly of joe blows local 5 page static website for $1-2K, that doesn't know any better as well, maybe that's OK, but if you're dealing with a major internet presence that brings in a million users, that small percentage has a large impact.

                   

                  i look forward to no longer supporting older browsers, however, even new browsers can have issues.  It's in your best interest to develop websites with cross browser support in mind.  all we can hope, as web developers, is that the companies that release these softwares are aware of the ie6 blunder and use it as an example as to why it's important to follow the w3c community rather than ram corporate agenda down throats ala MS.

                  • 6. Re: 6 is dead!
                    Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Well said, Jon!     Particularly on point #3.

                     

                    Nancy O.
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                    • 7. Re: 6 is dead!
                      M.R.Biesheuvel Level 3

                      Wel in the Netherlands the percentage of homes connected to internet is about 95% but very very unfortunately about 75% is still using IE. Problem is that among the 95% of connected people there are a lot of people who are unaware of good browsers like Firefox. I don't know the exact numbers of them are still using IE6 but I fear it would be a lot. Well I'm making a site for my hobby now and I don't even care about IE, I even use some css3,but that's hobby. Sites I make for other people is a different story. IE 6 is not dead yet.

                      • 8. Re: 6 is dead!
                        ~graffiti Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        I guess it depends on your audience.

                         

                        Our website generates roughly 50k hits per month. I looked at the stats for the month of January and IE 6 was the second most popular browser used. First was IE 7, third IE 8 and fourth FF 3-5.