9 Replies Latest reply on Apr 1, 2010 12:12 PM by GaryBruckheimer2

    HTTP Streaming supporting in sprint09

    xingzhedai

      We are told that s09 supports Adobe's HTTP streaming already. Does anybody know how Adobe's HTTP streaming work? I try to find how player of s09 work for http streaming, but I have no progress until now. If somebody has similar need, let's have a discussion here.

        • 1. Re: HTTP Streaming supporting in sprint09
          mediabits

          The code to support HTTP streaming is in development and definitely not yet complete.  Sprint 9 is just the beginning, and there's a lot that's in flux.  There's a link included in the sprint 9 release notes if you want to learn more about HTTP Streaming.

           

          Sprint 9 release notes:

          http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/download/attachments/34373765/ReleaseNotesv09.pdf?version =1

          • 2. Re: HTTP Streaming supporting in sprint09
            xingzhedai Level 1

            3x, mediabits.

             

            Hope adobe can pubish their http streaming server early.

            • 3. Re: HTTP Streaming first demo
              GaryBruckheimer2

              a first demo of http segment streaming is here:

              http://cdn.inetbone.net/onlinelib/v7/

               

              let me know what you think...

               

              best

              gary

              • 4. Re: HTTP Streaming first demo
                mediabits Level 1

                does the player in this demo use OSMF?  also, can you tell us about the server side?

                 

                Sumner

                • 5. Re: HTTP Streaming supporting in sprint09
                  xingzhedai Level 1

                  Thanks Gary.

                   

                  I am working on analysis of Microsoft http streaming scheme, which is know as Silveright Smooth Streaming. I just hear that Adobe also has his own http streaming, so I want to see the difference between Adobe's solution and MS's solution.

                   

                  Thanks again.

                   

                   

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                  • 6. Re: HTTP Streaming supporting in sprint09
                    GaryBruckheimer2 Level 1

                    hi,

                     

                    basicly ms smooth streaming is something like adobe streaming. i test last night to load the m$ segments into flashplayer 10.1 and it works pretty well. the ismv format has also compatible h.264 video and audio codec fragments which the adobe player can decode internaly. right now i try to implement adaptive streaming in fp 10.1. not so easy but i hope to show a demo in 2 days from today.

                     

                    please dont ask which format is better..i like both i think its a question what your customers requirements is.

                     

                    let me know if you have any more question.

                     

                    best

                    gary

                    www.onlinelib.de

                     

                     

                    Am 10.03.2010 um 02:29 schrieb xingzhedai:

                     

                    Thanks Gary.

                     

                    I am working on analysis of Microsoft http streaming scheme, which is know as Silveright Smooth Streaming. I just hear that Adobe also has his own http streaming, so I want to see the difference between Adobe's solution and MS's solution.

                     

                    Thanks again.

                     

                     

                    代金良

                    华为技术有限公司  huawei_logo

                     

                     

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                    • 7. Re: HTTP Streaming supporting in sprint09
                      xingzhedai Level 1

                      Gary,

                       

                      Thanks a lot.

                      Do you mean flash player 10.1 can play the ismv file segment with H.264 codec?

                      I tried the demo on the link you sent to me before, it works very well. My question is that is this demo shows exactly the offical HTTP streaming of Adobe? Do you know when adobe will publish his http streaming scheme officially? I tested the demo and catched the message between flash player and the backend server of Inetbone, and I didn't see the description file, like manifest file in IIS smooth streaming. So my another question is that how the player knows the oganization of the whole media file? I guess these segment description information is compiled in swf file? Am I right?

                       

                       

                      BestRegards

                      Jinliang Dai

                       

                       

                      代金良

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                      • 8. Re: HTTP Streaming supporting in sprint09
                        GaryBruckheimer2 Level 1

                        Hi Dai,

                         

                        our demo is developed by ourself, i dont know how adobe is doing it. You can simply grap the latest fp 10.1 documentation and take a look at the netstream object.

                         

                        The new mode is free from filecontainer specifications, that means you can build simply your own or transmux other filecontainer formats or build your own encryption / drm protection. As long as you follow the h.264 or vp6 or h.263 codec specifications fp 10.1 can decode and stream it. but, you need toDo all bandwidth shaping inside FP10.1 - and beware some algoryhtmen are patent protected by akamai and level(3) - only for info.

                         

                        I was able to transmux the silverlight format to fp 10.1 byte format. When you want to develope it by yourself make your brain free from file container formats like SWF. You can work with raw encoded frames in fp 10.1.

                         

                        My idea is also to transmux the video streams and audio stream separetly, that means you can have 4 video and 1 audio stream. Right now i only saw adobe dynamic streaming with xx video and same xx audio. In some situations this not the best solution (traffic + webspace coast + encoding time).

                         

                        Do you have start developing? Send us a link to take a look on it.

                         

                        Best

                        Gary

                        http://onlinelib.de

                         

                        Am 24.03.2010 um 07:38 schrieb xingzhedai:

                         

                        Gary,

                         

                        Thanks a lot.

                        Do you mean flash player 10.1 can play the ismv file segment with H.264 codec?

                        I tried the demo on the link you sent to me before, it works very well. My question is that is this demo shows exactly the offical HTTP streaming of Adobe? Do you know when adobe will publish his http streaming scheme officially? I tested the demo and catched the message between flash player and the backend server of Inetbone, and I didn't see the description file, like manifest file in IIS smooth streaming. So my another question is that how the player knows the oganization of the whole media file? I guess these segment description information is compiled in swf file? Am I right?

                         

                         

                        BestRegards

                        Jinliang Dai

                         

                         

                        代金良

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                        地址:北京市海淀区东北旺西路8号中关村软件园17号楼 邮编:100193

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                        手机:13581586128

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                        • 9. Re: HTTP Streaming supporting in sprint09
                          GaryBruckheimer2 Level 1


                          Hi,

                           

                          i finshed a new http streaming segment demo with right now 3 profiles, starting from 350k - till - 1.5mbit /sec.....works not that bad...some seeking problems need to be fixed..next part is live streaming.you are right in the first demo i put all segment infos in the swf as static array, now i create a manifest xml and load in from externaly.

                           

                          http://onlinelib.de/demos/fhttp3/

                           

                          please send me feedback if you like...

                           

                          update:

                          i fixed the seeking problems in multibitrate profiles...wish all happy coding...

                           

                          best
                          gary

                           

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