5 Replies Latest reply on Feb 11, 2010 3:17 AM by klfi

    HD-SDI workflow help to upgrad system

    klfi Level 1
      Dear community,
      may i please you for help in upgrading my system:
      A): MY STATUS
      capturing HDV via 1394, workflows in PPro CS 4.2 and After E.
      1. drive C: system Win 7 64bit, board ASUS P6T Extreme, 12 GB, Intel 920, sapphire 4870, WD VelR 300 GB 10.000
      2. drive D: unimprtant, test, different,  Samsung 1 TB SP F1 7.200  
      3. drive E: pagefile (8 GB), render, cache, WD VelR 300 GB 10.000
      4. drive F: captured, WD VelR 300 GB 10.000
      5. drive G: projects, WD VelR 300 GB 10.000
      This system is allocated in PPBM 4 in the average (no OC, no Raid, and i920)
      further status:
      6. Lan-network connection QNAP 639 6 TB Raid 5 for archive storage and streaming to Sony PS3 an home network
      7. external SATA drives for musik collection and Acronis savings
      8. Black magic Multibride PRO for future captures HD-SDI 4:2:2 and monitoring
      My mid tower (big tower will make me space problems) allowes totaly 9 drives (+1 burner). Corsair W 1000 hx and Nocuta cooler are used
      B.) MY TARGET:
      1.capturing and workflows not only HDV but also HD-SDI sampling 4:2:2 10 bit  XDCAM EX
      2.creating a RAID system
      3.have enough possibilities for the future in RAID extension
      4.have the possibility to use in future mobile rack for more drives
      5.important is fast rendering and workflow (if exports need more time it would be ok)
      C.) MY THOUGHTS to create a new configuration:

      1. drive C: system, board ASUS P6T Extreme, 12 GB, Intel 920, sapphire 4870, WD VelR 300 GB 10.000
      2. drive D: unimprtant, test, different,  Samsung 1 TB SP F1 7.200  
      3. drive E: pagefile (8 GB), render, cache,
          create Raid 0 Nr 1 , 3x WD VelR 300 GB 10.000
          (as alternative create Raid 5 ?)
          new: areca raid controller stating from 1230 (??) or higher + batt.pack
      4. drive F: project, captured, exports  Raid 0 Nr 2
          using areca, same as discribed in 3.
          new 3x 1TB (or better 2 TB ??) 7.200
          (as alternative create Raid 5 ?)
      5. drive G: new 1x 1 TB (or better 2 TB ??) for quick savings
          quick savins for data done with syncronize (not Acronis)

      My general workflow:
      a.) when i have captured, i save the captured files not in drive F (described in 4. but on QNAP or external)...to have more drive space
      b.) when captured files will be used in a project, i import them from QNAP
      c.) when a project is finished, i totaly export all in the project used files (captured, project, used music) to QNAP or external drive for archive and to get more space in drive E and F (described in 3. an 4.)
      a.) what do y think about  my suggested for the new configuration und upgrade
      b.) where and what are my general mistakes
      c.) which areca controller should i use to have also future options, is it better to use one in combination with upgrading internal memory
      d.) does it make sense to create 2 Raid 0 (as described in 3. an 4.)
      e.) should i use for Raid 0 1 TB or 2 TB drives (and which one shoud i use)
          for examle in the manual of areca i found that not all drives are compatible, some may make problems (i dont have any experiance)
      f.) does it make sense to plan  to upgrade drives in a mobile storage case or is it necessary to change the case now to a very big one now (rackmount) (if this would be necessary i have room-space problems at the working place.
      I thank you for your answers an thoughts.
      klfi from austria
        • 1. Re: HD-SDI workflow help to upgrad system
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          Let's start with the case. You do not have enough room for a larger case, so the question is how to fit in as many disks as you can.


          Have a look here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121405&cm_re=supermicro_sata-_-17 -121-405-_-Product to help you create more disk space. The downside is that your video card can not be too long, so you may have to rearrange some components. An alternative is not to use 3.5" drives but the smaller 2.5" models, at the cost of storage space, but then you can use http://www.webconnexxion.com/raid/product_info.php?cPath=63&products_id=652 to create more space for disks. You can consider this cage for all 4 Velociraptors you currently use. The Velociraptors are in fact 2.5" disks but mounted in a 3.5" cooling body. I don't know if that will give sufficient cooling however.


          Next memory: For the time being you have sufficient memory and with current prices it does not look interesting to invest in 4 GB sticks. Wait and see how CS5 will perform in the future would be my advise.


          Disk setup: You make backups of your C drive to an external with Acronis. So, nothing to do about that. It is good.


          Then you have 3 VR's that can easily be used in either raid0 or raid5 from the motherboard on the ICHR10 chip. I would prefer raid5 despite the load on the CPU for security reasons and accept the lesser performance. In addition, I think that disk performance will not be a limiting factor if you do not overclock your 920.


          Then your media disks. Before I can give you a definite answer, can you give me an indication of how many disks you can fit in or how many 5.25" bays you have available. Consider too, that it may be worthwhile to remove any fan/temperature displays that occupy a 5.25" bay.


          Raid controller: that depends on the number of disks you can fit in or that you may want to attach in the future with an external drive cage, even though your space is limited. So please answer my previous question first and I'll follow up on it.

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          • 2. Re: HD-SDI workflow help to upgrad system
            klfi Level 1
            Thanks Harm for your answer.
            You exactely understood my "starting problem" with cases.
            With pleasure and following your advices i will only answer your questions about casing.
            MY CASE-SITUATION:
            At the moment i use Zalman MS1000-HS2 http://zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?idx=367
            in the following config:
            (from the top)
            1x DVD-BR drive (1 is enough for me)
            2x modular front HDD bays (each with hot swap), each 3 drives,
            1x modular front HDD bay which is not built in (empty space in the case), but i have it for further using.
            No fans or temp occupy a 5.25" bay.
            total room for 9 drives, 5 occupied (4x VelRap, 1x Samsung  F1 1TB), 4 empty.
            In the past i visited Addonis and Supermicro web sits too to see ("how i can solve the future case situation") whats possible, but there are so many possibilities and becouse of less experiance i am unable without help to find the right "making sense" further case config.
            I was thinking about to work with backplanes or exertnal storages or new cases.
            My my working room allows max high of 50-52 cm for cases (wide and depth are no problem).
            How many future drives, its not clear for me, let me answer from my stomach maybe up to 5 drives (5x 1 TB or better 5x 2 TB ??), if necessary i am willing to upgrade in future.
            (Not so much like your 17 or maybe future 24 drives).
            I hope to have answered yr starting questions.
            Many thanks in helping to work up my config.
            klf from austria
            • 3. Re: HD-SDI workflow help to upgrad system
              klfi Level 1

              Dear Harm,


              updating my earlier answer  i complete becouse your qustion of graphic-card space.


              Having checked my Zalman MS 1000 case again it will be bossible to put in modular Front HDD bay Nr 3 + van, without having problems with Saphhire 4870.

              To summarice:

              total 3 modular Front HDD bays (+van for each),  each front bay 3x hotswap dives 5.25 are possible. Total 9 drives 5.25.

              see attachments (BTW, the second shown comp is my wifes...conneced by home network)


              thanks klfi




              • 4. Re: HD-SDI workflow help to upgrad system
                Harm Millaard Level 7

                Great news because that gives you a lot of options. With one BR burner installed you have 9 5.25" bays left.


                One is to install 3 SuperMicro cages (you don't need to install them all at the same time, but nice for the future) to add up to 15 3.25" disks in hot swappable bays. Or you can choose to use two SuperMicro cages for 10 3.25" disks and add 3 Addonics cages for an additional 12 2.5" disks.


                Lots of choices here and you are not really limited by your case. You may be in terms of cooling however.


                C: Velociraptor for OS & Programs

                D: 3 x Velociraptor in raid 5 on the mobo for pagefile, media cache, previews like you intended

                E: initially 4 or 5 disks (1 or 2 TB, up to you) in raid 3 for media


                Raid controller: Areca ARC-1680 iX-12 with 2 GB ECC cache and BBM.


                I suggest the 12 version over the 8 version because it has the possibility to expand cache memory from the default 256 MB up to 4 GB, although one wonders if anything more than 2 GB is worthwhile, given the price difference between the 2 and 4 G sticks.


                With this configuration you have the possibility to add a multitude of disks to expand your storage and increase the speed of your raid if you wish.


                So all you need is two SuperMicro cages to start with, the disks and the Areca controller with cache and BBM.


                Hope this helps.

                • 5. Re: HD-SDI workflow help to upgrad system
                  klfi Level 1

                  Thanks Harm for your help