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    why is illustrator better than corel?

    inquestflash Level 1

      hello forumers.

       

      im an illustrator freak,but my annoying boss wants me to learn corel ;-( ,i need some facts why illustrator is better than corel so i can shove his face in it if possible.

       

      VIVA illi

       

      thank you very much.

        • 1. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
          Junk Mailer Level 3

          Corel had its hayday back in the mid-late 90's. I used CorelDraw 5 when I

          was starting to learn vector illustration and continued using it

          exclusively through version 8, but I reached a point where I grew out of

          it and moved on to Illustrator.

           

          It has been a long time since I've used anything from Corel so I probably

          couldn't fairly assess their strengths and weaknesses nowadays. Last time

          I even saw their interface, it was CorelDraw 10. It seemed just "okay" to

          me, but I still preferred Illustrator.

           

          I don't think your boss should be the one to decide which software is best

          for you if he is not having to use it himself everyday. That would be like

          me going to the mechanic and telling him which tools he had to use to

          repair my vehicle.

           

          -JM

          • 2. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
            inquestflash Level 1

            hello junk.

             

            your absolute right about what program im  comfortable  with,but i need the pros and cons of the programs. to outline to him why illustrator is better.

            • 3. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
              Jacob Bugge MVP & Adobe Community Professional

              inquestflash,

               

              Do not, I repeat do not, ask James or Scott or Hans.

              • 4. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                inquestflash Level 1

                hello jacob

                 

                who are they? :-/

                • 5. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                  Wade_Zimmerman Level 6

                  inquestflash wrote:

                   

                  hello jacob

                   

                  who are they? :-/

                  They are James, Scott and of course Hans!

                   

                  One Corel is PC only there venture into the Mac world was less than a pleasant experience.

                  then their priority file format brings with it some limitations and is not used s much as Illustrator and it is integrated with Adobe 's other apps
                  and I am not certain it is with Quark as well

                  • 6. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                    Jacob Bugge MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                    inquestflash,

                     

                    When you see a guy on a motorbike, an unshaven guy, and a guy under a Jolly Roger, you will know. But then it will be too late.

                    • 7. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                      Junk Mailer Level 3

                      Wow, that was cryptic!

                      • 8. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                        Skullmaker Level 3

                        Hello inquestflash,

                         

                        I have a little experience with illustrator and I use it for my work. I cannot tell you anything about CorelDraw, because I do not use it.

                        However, I can give you my honest opinion of Adobe Illustrator.

                         

                        Illustrator have great tools and I love that you can place photoshop files, modify the photoshop file and will update when you go back to Illustrator file. As a graphic designer I think this is very useful (InDesign and Quark are limited on this), and I love the pen tool.

                         

                        The problem with Illustrator is that you DO NOT GET UPDATES. So whatever bugs comes with the version is what you have to work with. Adobe does not care to fix anything.

                         

                        CS4 version have critical bugs that seriously will affect your professional work:

                        Font Bug: Even if you have used a font with old versions of illustrator, if the CS4 version considered as a corrupted font, the program can crash, refuse to open file, etc.

                        Memory Bug: This bug was reported few week after the program came out (but like I said before: NO UPDATES) and you can be doing something simple and the program will tell you "Not Enough Memory"

                        Color Bug: As a graphic designer, I can tell you that this is a really big issue (Adobe refuse to fix). The CS4 color system is no accurate. And that can cost a lot of money depending how big is the job.

                        Text Box Bug: Justifying the text using the Area Type tool is bad. This bug came with the CS versions and Adobe has not fix it.

                        Crop Tool Bug: A lot of user have complaint about this tool becoming useless in CS4. And no Updates!

                        PDF Bug, Grid Bug, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

                         

                        But you will hear a lot of excuse why the program is not working properly, but at the end of name calling, insults, and excuses, no one here can tell you where is the CS4 update, how to fix these Critical CS4 Bugs. Instead Adobe will sell you the new version CS5 with new and old bugs that wont care to fix.

                         

                        Feel free to explore all this links of bugs, and you will see that non of them have an answer on how to fix it (just excuses):

                        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/570723?tstart=0

                        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/513558?tstart=0

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/2358318#2358318

                        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/568439?tstart=0

                         

                        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/432976?tstart=990

                        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/488095?tstart=660

                        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/477259?tstart=960

                        http://forums.adobe.com/thread/458237?tstart=0

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/1256865#1256865

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/1255002#1255002

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/1253297#1253297

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/2088297#2088297

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/2014275#2014275

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/2317200#2317200

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/2180704#2180704

                        http://forums.adobe.com/message/2180704#2180704

                         

                        To make it simple, just ask when was the last time Adobe Illustrator provided an update?

                         

                        I am thinking of buying Xara Xtreme (http://site.xara.com/gallery/) which provides updates, to stop using illustrator. The bad news is that this program is only for PC.

                         

                        But if you really want to make research on Adobe Illustrator visit other user forums away from Adobe Forum. The users are a lot more vocal about Adobe Illustrator.

                        • 9. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                          inquestflash Level 1

                          wow dude that was a dynamic response to my question,you seem disapointed with adobe products,and that bug thing is a major issue.what can i say,some times i get that memory thing saying not enough memory error detected =108 and im like what da funk?!??in any case i think illustrator is a great vector app and that it can be evolved into a major vector program with great features,i hope that adobe can take things into serious matters,and ive been reading on the net they should fix the bug problems rather than putting out a new suite.

                           

                          cheers mate.

                          • 10. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                            Rehan ali Level 1

                            what about freehand as compare to illustrator i thing freehand was outstanding application no doubt is there was any color issue like u said in illustrator its to danger

                            • 11. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                              Skullmaker Level 3

                              I  think Freehand and Illustrator have their own good things. And a lot people will tell you that Freehand is better, while others will tell you that Illustrator is better. But at the end when a company does not dress major issue like colors bug, fonts bug, memory bug, etc. it does not matter how cool the application looks or the amount of features, it is just bad software to use for professionals.

                               

                              Now if Adobe fixes these critical bugs and constantly provide updates (in a reasonable matter - not to much, not to little). Then the question becomes from Which one is better?, to Which one you feel more comfortable with?

                              • 12. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                JETalmage Level 6
                                Do not, I repeat do not, ask James or Scott or Hans.


                                Indeed.

                                 

                                Only ask Jacob, who is still using a four-version out-of-date copy of Illustrator and who tries to personify it as a female idol.

                                 

                                If the comparison is to be "fair" (which it clearly will not be, at least from your perspective), it should compare Corel Draw X4 to Illustrator CS3 or CS4. Release dates being what they were, X4 would more legitimately be considered Draw's answer to CS3; since it long predates CS4.

                                 

                                Talking about earlier versions of either program is not very meaningful, except in the sense of history of development. When I compare the release histories of Draw, FreeHand, Canvas, and Illustrator, Illustrator comes in an often-embarrassing last in terms of features long taken-for-granted in other programs.

                                 

                                im an illustrator freak,but my annoying boss wants me to learn corel...i need some facts [that] I can shove his face..

                                 

                                Shove in your boss's face? For presenting you an opportunity to escape fearful dependency upon a single software?

                                 

                                i need the pros and cons...to outline to him why illustrator is better...


                                Why don't you simply welcome this opportunity to actually know something about that which you claim a completely bogus "preference"?

                                 

                                Were you at all interested in gaining input that would help you help your boss reach a rational and objective decision, you would at least describe something about the kind of work your boss pays you to do. What kind of business employs you? Is the Macintosh platform even relevant to your boss's business market? How large a workgroup is affected by the software choice? What kind of artwork does that workgroup produce? How is it delivered? What are its initial content sources? Who are the end-users of the artwork? In how many different ways is it delivered, and in what formats?

                                 

                                Yet here you are, soliciting predisposed "why Illustrator is 'better' than Draw" advice from a handful of users who, so far, admit themselves having either no, or practically no, experience with Draw! If that's not blind-leading-the-blind, I don't know what is.

                                 

                                You are by admission predisposed toward Illustrator, even though you are not at all equipped to say why. Reason is pointless with so irrational a mindset. Since no one responding yet seems to actually know anything about Draw, I will instead offer some ammunition I hope your boss uses to see if you are even objective enough to consider it.

                                 

                                The following is a just-off-the-top list. Should you actually try to counter it, you should be prepared for more:

                                 

                                General:

                                Lower cost, both initially and in upgrades

                                Better support for non-current versions

                                Faster performance

                                Better support for several vertical-market industries (signage, embroidery, engineering-related)

                                More robust CAD and more business-centric import/export formats

                                Better multiple page implementation

                                Better-organized interface

                                Highly-customizable workspace

                                 

                                Features:

                                User-defined drawing scales

                                Reliable snaps

                                Dimension tools

                                Callout tools

                                Connector lines

                                Flowchart Tools

                                No-nonsense, 2D vector face extrusion

                                Live shape primitives

                                Smart Drawing tools (freehand shape recognition)

                                Virtual Segment tool

                                Ability to properly cut/crop vector and raster content

                                Contour tool (multiple parallels)

                                Export selection only

                                Barcodes

                                Print Merge

                                Bundle for Output Bureau

                                Scan directly into Draw

                                Trim (not merely mask) vector artwork to any path

                                Fit Text To Path

                                Text stats

                                Export artwork as Type 1 font.

                                Lens Fills (live details)

                                Live Perspective

                                Object Data (spreadsheet-formatted database of user-defined object data fields)

                                Fillet / Chamfer / Scallop

                                User-defined Arrowheads

                                 

                                Shared Features Better Implemented in Draw:

                                Mesh Grads

                                Dynamic Guides (with increment snaps)

                                Independent control over Snaps for Guides, Grid, Objects, Dynamic Grids

                                Property Bar (far more sensible and useable than AI's poorly-designed and buggy Control Panel)

                                Status Bar with context-sensitive instructions

                                Elastic Mode (vs. AI's Reshape tool)

                                Add/remove/line/curve/cusp/symmetrical curve commands properly implemented for all nodes (points) in a selected path

                                Logarithmic and Symmetrical spirals

                                Macro Recording (vs. AI Actions)

                                Envelopes (retract envelope handles without wrecking artwork)

                                 

                                Old-Saw Arguements Based on Overstatement, if not Myths:

                                Adobe's cross-app "integration" is more hype than substantive advantage.

                                Illustrator's text handing is worst among Adobe apps and worst-of-class among its direct competitors.

                                Draw opens and creates PDFs just fine.

                                Claims of AI superiority regarding importing of raster images is practically immaterial. In fact, Corel Draw's interaction with Corel PhotoPaint is at least as "smooth and seamless" as AI/PS, if not more so.

                                Using vector artwork created in Draw (or any other mainstream Bezier drawing program) in page-layout programs is no more difficult than using AI. This stuff has been being done for decades.

                                 

                                Again, this is just a beginning. You do yourself a huge disservice by declaring (let alone attempting to defend) a "preference" to the only choice with which you have experience (and evidently only beginning experience at that). That's true regardless of which program you claim to "favor." How can one, with any trace of intellectual honesty, claim to have a "favorite" of anything--when one has no exposure to any of the considered alternatives?

                                 

                                Since you already have Illustrator, you should absolutely welcome your Boss's willingness to provide you a current copy of Corel Draw. Here's an opportunity for you--at no personal cost--to actually learn something about another program; to potentially have some clue as to what you're talking about when you claim to "prefer" one over the other; to benefit from knowing more than one particular tool, and to overcome the fear of learning your way around more than one offering among similar programs. For all you know, you may be arguing against the program you would actually end up preferring.

                                 

                                I could also build a bullet list of better-than-Draw AI features. It would not be as long as its opposite. Nor would the AI-favoring listings be as broadly practical.

                                 

                                Fact is, anyone can build a bullet list to favor any of them. (Just look at the sides of the boxes, or each vendor's self-serving "competitive comparisons" on their respective websites.) Fact is, all of them are really rather mediocre; mostly 20+ years-old technology.

                                 

                                You really should have no axe to grind in this, unless you can state something specific to your work that strongly favors the relatively few functional advantages of AI.

                                 

                                JET

                                • 13. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                  RotoRouter Level 1

                                  James, how come we don't see you at the CD forums?

                                   

                                  http://coreldraw.com/forums/246.aspx

                                   

                                  I know CD users would love your indepth explanations on the machinations of CD.

                                   

                                  Regards,

                                  Chris

                                  • 14. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                    JETalmage Level 6

                                    I often lurk in the newsgroup.

                                     

                                    JET

                                    • 15. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                      RotoRouter Level 1

                                      Lurking ahhh

                                      Lurking (Small).jpg

                                      You should chime in!!

                                      • 16. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                        Jacob Bugge MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                                        inquestflash,

                                         

                                        Now you know why I warned you: the assurance implied in the OP would not remain unscathed; and now it is too late, with just two out of three.

                                         

                                        JETalmage wrote:

                                         

                                        Do not, I repeat do not, ask James or Scott or Hans.


                                        Indeed.

                                         

                                        Only ask Jacob, who is still using a four-version out-of-date copy of Illustrator and who tries to personify it as a female idol.

                                         

                                        There would be no point at all in asking Jacob, who would never dream of claiming the superiority or faultlessness of Illy, or even enter any such discussions.

                                         

                                        Tries to?

                                        • 17. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                          inquestflash Level 1

                                          lol ppl pls relax and kick back we are here ot solve our problems.

                                          • 18. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                            MyCoalescence Level 1

                                            CorelDraw x6 vs Illustrator cs6?

                                             

                                            I compared to both extremely closly. Ive used illustator for 10 years and watched 8+ hours of lynda.com coreldraw tutorials and done alot of research about it. During the videos when ever they did something cool or in a better or faster way id pause the video. I would open illustrator and see how it compared and most of the time illustrator could do it but differently. Some times corel won and some times illustator on doing the same things. With some the same toosl could be as easy as say right click and with an other you would have to open it through a drop down menu at the top of the program. I was skeptical of coreldraw and my bet was on illustrator but I wanted to be sure and reafirm that illustrator is the vetor drawing king. Then when people start saying what alternatives to illustrater there are I could honestly say there are none as good. Here are my findings. Please note this does not include ever single tool/fucntion for both but only the ones that stood out or key ones.

                                             

                                            Both have:

                                            movable windows for most everything

                                            rotate

                                            pen tool

                                            custom shapes

                                            many color options

                                            line view mode

                                            layers

                                            heavy text editing tools, kern, track, lead, text styles

                                            clipping masks

                                            live trace/paint

                                            a way to merge, seperate and recombine objects aka pathfinder tool

                                            photo shop like tools for vectors as smear, pinch and more

                                            3d rendering

                                            both come normally with a sharing/organizing program, bridge and connect for corel

                                             

                                            Illustrator advantages:

                                            Industry standard

                                            multiple art boards each with easy to change different sizes. This is very rare I need ever board different.

                                            photo shop filters but honestly that should stay in photoshop and they are impossible to work with because every time you move the object it has to recalculate and can crash the program/computer

                                            easier one stop shopping for text editing, adobes text editing floating window is very handy and has almost everything you would need for even advanced text editing in 1 spot

                                            one stop shopping floating windows for several function as text that are some what easier

                                            3d perspective tool, ive used it a few times and quite handy

                                             

                                            CorelDraw x6 Suite advantages:

                                            Corel can do master pages and facing pages, columns, margins and a few other bells and whistles for text so corel wins on text, first edition with text heavy tools so i expect next wil be a very viable replacement to indesign

                                            sheer and rotate are both visable on an object at the same time, illustator it is a new tool

                                            copy/paste, the copy pastes in the exact spot it was coppied from which saves tops of time in repositioning where with adobe you have no idea where it will appear

                                            repeat, in adobe this repeats the last action, such as movement, scale change, rotation ect but in corel it can track the last few things dont to an object and say "ok i see a pattern each square is 50% further away than the last not just 1/2 in" and reappear complex commands like that

                                            take a select several objects and place a effect, change or say gradient on them all with out "grouping" or a clipping mask! Time saver

                                            cheaper, 500$ full price for CorelDraw x6 suite, only comes as package deal, price if it were possible for just draw would be about 150$

                                            can import/export to illustator, photoshop, pdf and many more so no major comparability issues

                                            product release every 2 years and last was in 2012 of march so next is due for 5 or so months and will upgrades to compete with illustrator

                                            illustrator has seen no significant upgrades since cs 6 even with the cc to release them as they come

                                            customizable floating windows, what is on them, orientation, and a few more things

                                            buying options, perpetual lisence standard buy model cd/download, standard + premium cloud or subsciption cloud only

                                            connect beats bridge as it can pull from more than your files but from social media, web sites and search engines and just works smoother

                                            Web creator program included, similar to muse but wont go into it here

                                            Photo-Paint program included, its a merger of photoshop elements and illustrator, but wont go into here

                                             

                                            Overall im very disappointed in illustrator considering according to wikipedia adobe rakes in x15 as much $ revinue as corel. With all that $ for R&D illustrator should kick the pants off of anything anyone has to offer but because adobe has stopped focusing on core functions other programs are catching up and quick. After about cs 3 it stopped focusing on vector drawing and increasing work speed and instead just became bloat ware. Adobe stopped focusing on normal functions for each program and started tossing in tools/features from other programs that had no business being there. Such as how photoshop can edit video and illustrator can do filters but both are sad compared to the real function in the program they ripped it from. They just got bored and decided to throw them in... for some reason. Its as though the designers could not come up with anything good so just started bloating. Illustrator is still great dont get me wrong. I say corel has an edge on illustrator and indesign and if adobe is not very careful corelsdraw x7 will be a replacement for both illustrator and indesign and for 60% of the cost of just 1 program with cs 6 price models! If photo shop elements is not careful CorelDraw x7 suite will outright replace photshop elements. Draw was by every thing I saw just more intuitive and user friendly and many of the functions just worked more smoothly and gave a better user experience. That is why im leaning to get corel but i need to try the trial version first.

                                             

                                            The jury is still out for a few months to see what corel and adobe both cook up in the next 6 months before I get my BFA in graphic design. I still have hopes for adobe but they are fading by the week. If i end up hating the trial ill go for cs 6. There is no way id go to cc, cash cow, crazy cloud, or crazy contaminent as the 38million users had their information compromised this month and found out about yesterday. They could cut the cc price to 30/month for the whole suite, allow buy out at 3 years and have a middle buy option of like your favorite 3 programs for 20/month and still no way id use it. By the way i talked to my college about cc. They as a college are not going to update for sure any faster 1 time every 4 months but more likely 2 times a year becaus its a pain to upgrade even 1 lab of 25 computers forget upgradeing several hundred for tiny upgrades and thats between semester also they dont have access to any cloud features so they are getting the bad deal.

                                            • 19. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                              grafician.net

                                              Lol, and you expect cons on a Adobe forum?:))

                                               

                                              And I am a Corel freak , arround 15 years, familiar with illustrator also. If we talk about vectors then Corel is by far the best, it is straight and clean on what you have to do, with what you need to do, I'm just roaring when I must finish something in illustrator, their team it's so mind twisted about tools and ergonomics, every time I want to scream and beat somebody:)). I can assure you that you finish twice as fast in Corel, illustrator is more about creativity not for productivity, also you can paste directly in photoshop as smart object witch is the best feature of all times:), anyway, you must play with what you know better.

                                              • 20. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                Kuttyjoe

                                                You can always cherry pick whatever perceived advantage that one piece of software has over another.  The fact is, every single piece of software has something that it does better than another.  Even Illustrator is not best at everything.  But frankly, I think the comments from MyCoalescense above are just incredibly wrong.

                                                 

                                                I don't know if Adobe is doing enough, but I feel extremely strongly that Corel is not.  How do we explain the disaster that is the undeveloped, forgotten, abandoned since the late 90's, eternally, extremely buggy Photo-Paint?  That's the only other "major" program in Corel's idea of a "suite".  It's a joke.  How does Photo-Paint compare to.  Photoshop.  I don't think they both belong in the same sentence or even in the same thread.  The difference is greater than night and day in every conceivable way.  Quality, scope, modernization, you name it.  Photo-Paint's only use is to help to call CorelDraw a suite.  If you take that dinosaur out of the box, is it still a suite?  With just the other throwaway items in the box?  Antique Font Navigator?  Crummy Corel Connect.  And a web editor that mostly Corel fans say don't bother to install?  Is that a suite?

                                                 

                                                I'm not here to really defend Adobe.  I detest the notion of renting their products forever, but I can't deny the fact that they are absolutely making the highest quality product ever.  And I appreciate their extreme reliability and quality.

                                                • 21. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                  TheJeffMiller Level 1

                                                  Don't know why I'm wading into this old thread, but...

                                                   

                                                  I receive somewhere between 10 and 20 customer files per day. The overwhelming majority of them were produced using some version of Adobe software. Unless you want to live on an island, you use Adobe. I don't care if its the "best" or not. The fact is it has become the defacto standard.

                                                   

                                                  So, if all you are doing is personal, and you will never be communicating with anyone else, pick whatever you want. Makes no difference. But if you are going to be communicating your work (ie, sending comps to your web programmer or sending PDF's to your commercial printer or whatever) you can be confident that if you send them files created with Adobe stuff, they'll be able to work with it. Send them something else and you take your chances.

                                                  • 22. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                    timothy awards maker

                                                    In what industry? in the publishing business, probably, but In the engraving business, Corel is the standard. You do not run engraving machines with AI. Just that simple. Every business that sends files uses PDF or AI files for submission, yet not one of these submissions are rarely usable without a lot of rework. Nobody understands the concept of single layered engraving. Artwork is now flashy and sadly, just lazy. 

                                                    • 23. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                      TheJeffMiller Level 1

                                                      Agree on the flashy part. We do a lot of silk-screen work, and it is ridiculous how many customers have paid "professional" designers for logos or other designs that are essentially impossible to produce using that process.

                                                       

                                                      What sort of engraving are you talking about? If a customer were to send you an Illustrator PDF with all the elements in vector format (text outlined, etc) and everything set to K=100 (CMY=0), could you use it without a lot of massage?

                                                      • 24. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                        timothy awards maker Level 1

                                                        Depends on size of text  and white separations between connecting areas where “colors” supposed to merged. Otherwise, the one-layered images in full black is truly a great thing.

                                                         

                                                        Rare to get those. The usual idea for graphics from a customer standpoint is a thumbnail 72dpi gradient POS from the internet.. Fun Fun!!

                                                        • 25. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                          ptPhil

                                                          I have used both CorelDraw and Illustrator since the earliest versions and am using the current versions.  I won't repeat the great write-ups (right-ups?) earlier in this conversation that definitively and correctly illustrate the differences.  As an industrial designer that designs point of purchase displays, CorelDraw wins hands down.

                                                           

                                                          Aside from those attributes listed above, I have two reasons for making this blog entry: one practical - CorelDraw is terribly faster for my work, and one altruistic - I dislike most aspects of Adobe from their culture to their practices relating to their software that doesn't always work anyway.  Illustrator sells because it's the best thing that will work on a Mac. Period. 

                                                           

                                                          Details: My work entails creating a presentation drawing to sell the job and then communicate with the maker-types to create a prototype.  Follow-up drawings are a dream where in Illustrator it is a chore.  Finally, contract drawings are created which amount to engineering drawings.  I used to do this in an Autodesk CAD program but 'Draw can do it faster and cheaper.  Illustrator can almost do it, and it is like pulling teeth.  Most graphic artists that work with me do not agree with all my views.  But in almost 30 years of using computer design programs as a free lance CorelDraw has always been a clear choice for me.

                                                          • 26. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                            grafician.net Level 1

                                                            I never used Photo-Paint, yes, is a joke, a joke compared to Photoshop but I dare to say that is a powerful one, just not enough ergonomics and here we talk about Illustrator which is the vector program from adobe suite, Illustrator is also a joke compared to Corel in vector manipulations. They don't give you a proper way to shape even a basic stupid line, try to make a straight line curved without modifying the next segment... if you have alt pressed both sides are affected, after that you must reshape one of them, or if you click in middle to add a new point, like you do it in photoshop, after you move it remains straight line, again you must make x clicks even if i don't want that stupid point. In fact, the fastest way to make easy vectors in adobe suite is to shape them in photoshop and export paths, or in indesign, both are easier than illustrator to handle, simple and predictive way. And yes, agree with timothy, in engraving, laser cutting, outdoor printing, etc Corel is standard, Illustrator can't even go over 5779.55 mm. WTF to do in outdoor industry with less than 6m? How to work with pages in Ilustrator, pffff, they are better without that feature, they can't go over 5799 mm but they can make a similar page next to it?!!! How stupid is that? Try to make thousands of items in Illustrator and you will have an instant crash, or you can't work.

                                                            I hardly suggest that team in charged of Illustrator to resign.

                                                            Corel is a holy grail, not so many new features since corel 7 but is enough, even if is buggy, even if I curse them too with every new release and new bugs, it is 2 times better than Illustrator.


                                                            In short terms:

                                                            Illustrator is for graphic designers who have time to do 100 clicks for a simple line, I agree that Corel doesn't have so many creative tools, but in illustrator you must fill all your screen with tab groups, little space to see your work, clicks clicks clicks this is illustrator manifest, clicks clicks click, you don't work, you make clicks clicks clicks )))

                                                            Corel is for workers with precise and clear projects, who respect their time, intuitive interface, right clicks, dynamic toolbars.

                                                            • 27. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                              Tony Tuneson Level 1

                                                              Corel Draw is a powerful and underrated application. It's been popular on the PC, maybe still is, I don't know. Obviously, many untrained in-house people have used it so it got a bad reputation for it's output. At the same time this proves that it has a pleasant learning curve.

                                                              If you know what you're doing, you can get great results with both programs.

                                                               

                                                              I use both for compatibility reasons with clients and suppliers. Maybe that's your boss' concern as well. Just a few handy facts: any 'flat' eps-file from one application can be opened in the other. It's for keeping effects editable that they both have their proprietary files. Illustrator saves these as .ai files, Corel has .cdr files for that. Corel can to some extent read .ai files as well. Corel has way more input and output formats so it can also be a handy bridge to get things in Illustrator or other CS-programs, if needed. Illustrator is mostly used in the professional world on Macs, that's the main reason why Illustrator is 'better' than Corel Draw. For that reason I sometimes import Corel-drawings or logos in Illustrator just to save them as the latest version .ai ;-) The other way around, saving from lllustrator to Corel doesn't make much sense. Corel users can open almost anything anyway and they're fine with it. Bottom line: maybe you can use Corel as converting tool and keep doing your editing in Illustrator. Or does your boss want to ditch Illustrator alltogether? I wouldn't recommend that, Corel's file compatibility is of course always a bit behind with the latest Illustrator versions so you won't be able to open all files you get on your desk.

                                                              • 28. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                Kuttyjoe Level 1

                                                                "In short terms:

                                                                Illustrator is for graphic designers who have time to do 100 clicks for a simple line, I agree that Corel doesn't have so many creative tools, but in illustrator you must fill all your screen with tab groups, little space to see your work, clicks clicks clicks this is illustrator manifest, clicks clicks click, you don't work, you make clicks clicks clicks )))

                                                                Corel is for workers with precise and clear projects, who respect their time, intuitive interface, right clicks, dynamic toolbars. "



                                                                I would definitely dispute this part of what you're saying.  I spent all of the 90's using CorelDraw and only got serious about Illustrator around 2001.  In 2007, I started thinking that my dependency on Adobe was unhealthy and I started trying to see if I could replace Adobe software with something else.  Obviously, I went back to CorelDraw first.  I tried at least.  But I knew what to expect.  Extreme bugs and instability.  Fast forward to today and this hasn't changed.  When Adobe went subscription only, my desire to break free went into high gear but I still can't find a way out.  CorelDraw for sure isn't it.  First, there's no chance of any other software to replace Photoshop.  And CorelDraw is so buggy and unstable that I can't believe I stuck with it for all those years.

                                                                 

                                                                You mention that Illustrator relies on tabbed palettes which is partially true.  It of course has key commands and a really good action system for chaining actions into a single key command.  CorelDraw is exactly the same, but require much more space to get the same amount of information via palettes.  And CorelDraw doesn't have the thumbnail secondary palettes that saves a tremendous amount of space.  You either have a full, large/wide column of palettes, or you have two of them!  In Illustrator, that 2nd column can be tiny thumbnails which expand to full size palettes, then automatically close themselves when you're done using them.  Brilliant stuff.  Corel's palette system is buggy, ugly, and shareware quality.  No chance of it ever changing.

                                                                 

                                                                Scrolling is still dysfunctional.  Roll the wheel on the mouse and there's no telling what might happen.  If you hover on the palettes and roll the wheel, maybe the palette will scroll or maybe the document will zoom or scroll really fast.  It's crazy that Corel still can't get this thing right.

                                                                 

                                                                Decades ago!  I called Corel and asked why is it that when I decide that I want that Backup file to always save to a particular location, it never works.  It always saves to the same location as the primary file.  They tried to explain something to me that was ridiculous.  The correct answer would have been, yes that's wrong and we will fix it.  That wasn't their answer.  OK.  Fast forward a couple decades and that crap is still broken!  So, my good friend who uses CorelDraw typically has a folder with File.cdr, Backup of File.cdr, Backup of Backup of File.cdr.  For anyone reading this who is not familiar with CorelDraw, this is not an exaggeration.  It's perfectly true.  It makes a ridiculous backup, then it makes backups of backups.  You end up with a terrific mess of files.  It's good that Corel has the presence of mind to consider making backup files, but after decades, they still haven't gotten it right, and aren't even trying.

                                                                 

                                                                Path operations like Trim never work.  Period.  Today, with CorelDraw 7, I can grab 30 pieces of CorelDraw clipart.  One by one, I would try to convert the outline to curves.  It may work, or may not.  But it will require you to first ungroup the art.  If you get past that stage, then the next will fail.  Trim.  In CorelDraw, the closed paths will simply open for no particular reason and create a visual mess.  It will happen 30 times out of 30.  Then I can take that original CorelDraw file, copy/paste it into Illustrator.  Do a command for outline paths.  It works 100% of the time, flawlessly.  Then the command for trim.  It works 100% of the time.  On any art, including Corel's own clipart.

                                                                 

                                                                Adobe software is modern and beautiful.  CorelDraw looks and behaves like shareware.  The brush tools in CorelDraw haven't been updated in maybe 15 years or more.  They are positively ancient.  The brush tools in Illustrator are the most advanced of any vector software but Adobe still keeps adding new things.

                                                                 

                                                                CorelDraw crashed by the hour while I'm using it.  Illustrator these days crashes possibly once every month or so, but through CS5, it was good for 2 or 3 crashes per year.  Photoshop amazingly had the same track record but the latest releases are quite as perfect.

                                                                 

                                                                The difference in quality is night and day.  I'm angry at Adobe for making me rent their software and never own it.  I'm angry at Corel for selling ultra-buggy software that they have no intention of ever fixing.

                                                                 

                                                                Finally, when people complained about the ugliness of the new CorelDraw 7 interface, Corel responded by creating a system to allow you to colorize the chrome...for subscribers only.  Meanwhile, they rightfully criticized Adobe for it's subscription system, as they themselves desperately try their best to follow suit.

                                                                • 29. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                  grafician.net Level 1

                                                                  pretty solid arguments but talking is talking, working is working, in this life, time is the most precious component.

                                                                  Take a project at your choice, or anybody, record your work and if I will not make it in half time with Corel then Illustrator is better:))), what do you say?

                                                                  • 30. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                    Kuttyjoe Level 1

                                                                    No, I'm not really interested in contests.  Why don't you point out something specific that takes more steps in Illustrator.

                                                                    • 31. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                      grafician.net Level 1

                                                                      I can't make one edge curved from a rectangle, without affecting next edge - simple basic in vectors work

                                                                      I don't have trim in contextual menu, i must bring up pathfinder tab that occupy space, since i have 2 objects selected it is crystal clear that i want to make some shapes between them - again simple basic

                                                                       

                                                                      I can't find a way to align left, right etc from shortcuts - simple basic

                                                                      I don't want to select everything I touch with marked area but only what is included in it. - simple basic

                                                                       

                                                                      anyway, the main problem is that they don't have things contextual, only something useless, you must keep tabs opened, it is ok for pc but not for laptops, there is nothing left to see of the artwork, you can say, ok, push tab, then what? make a trim, push again tab?

                                                                      I can't rotate things properly because they don't show you degrees, only if you use rotate in effects, but in that case object is in one place and visual in another... again simple basic in vector manipulations.

                                                                      Duplicating an object over one axis.... move it with alt pressed and then reflect? or ctrl+c then ctrl + f in same place and rotate 180 from right edge?

                                                                      In corel you simply drag one edge over the axis and right click, in this example you see difference between corel and illustrator, it is SIMPLE.

                                                                      And what is the most annoying thing from all is that they have technology, it is in Indesign, all basic things are better, they've made illustrator so fancy that they forgot the purpose, vectors are basic things, give as some basic simple functions to work with them....

                                                                      • 32. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                        Kuttyjoe Level 1

                                                                        "I can't make one edge curved from a rectangle, without affecting next edge - simple basic in vectors work"

                                                                         

                                                                        Illustrator is better in this regard than CorelDraw though I remember when it couldn't do this particular thing.  But as of today, Illustrator can not only round individual corners, but unlike Corel that can only do this prior to converting the object to curves, Illustrator can round any corner on any shape at any time.  If you take the pen tool and draw two lines with a corner, Illustrator can directly round that corner.  Illustrator also retains the ability to treat rounded corners as "effects".  In other words, round corners on a shape, then apply that "effect" to any other object.  In this regard, Illustrator bests CorelDraw very easily.

                                                                         

                                                                        "I don't have trim in contextual menu"

                                                                         

                                                                        That's of no consequence.  Select the shapes and use a key command to trim; which you must agree, key commands are faster than mousing in menus.   More importantly, it actually works in Illustrator where it fails 100% of the time on any but the most simplest art in Draw. I certainly can't chalk this up as a loss for Illustrator since Illustrator supports a faster way of trimming, and it works.  If we talk about path editing functions like trim, Illustrator wins just by reliably working I think.

                                                                         

                                                                        "I can't find a way to align left, right etc from shortcuts - simple basic"

                                                                         

                                                                        Yet, I have shortcuts assigned to object alignment operations.  That is pilot error on your part.

                                                                         

                                                                        "I don't want to select everything I touch with marked area but only what is included in it. - simple basic"

                                                                         

                                                                        OK.  CorelDraw actually does both while Illustrator only does the one you mentioned.  I would chalk that up as a win for CorelDraw, but the tiniest of wins.

                                                                         

                                                                        "anyway, the main problem is that they don't have things contextual, only something useless"

                                                                         

                                                                        I can only shrug.  Your examples are pilot error so I suspect that this is more pilot error.  The contextual menus are useless to you but not for someone else.

                                                                         

                                                                        "you must keep tabs opened"

                                                                         

                                                                        I also keep some tabs open in CorelDraw.  Neither can work completely without palettes.

                                                                         

                                                                        "I can't rotate things properly because they don't show you degrees"

                                                                         

                                                                        LOL  Of course Illustrator shows you the degrees when you rotate any object, anytime.

                                                                         

                                                                        "Duplicating an object over one axis.... move it with alt pressed and then reflect? or ctrl+c then ctrl + f in same place and rotate 180 from right edge?"

                                                                         

                                                                        Not sure what you mean there.  But you mentioned Control F (Paste in place) which is a feature that Illustrator has that CorelDraw does not have so I'm not sure where you're going with that.  Try this, select a ton of objects across a ton of layers, copy, then make a new document and paste in with the entire layer structure intact.  Select an object and paste directly in front of it, or directly behind it.  These are great features of Illustrator which are impossible in Draw and require many more steps to achieve the same thing.

                                                                         

                                                                        "In corel you simply drag one edge over the axis and right click, in this example you see difference between corel and illustrator, it is SIMPLE."

                                                                         

                                                                        But you can "flip" objects in the same fashion in Illustrator, no problem.  Flip them right where they are, or with one click, set a new center and flip based on that point.  Good stuff.  Not only that, but can you rotate an object in Draw without actually grabbing the selection handle?  You can in Illustrator.  It makes rotation that much faster because you don't have to actually grab the handle.  Just place the mouse on the screen and move it and it rotates.

                                                                         

                                                                        "And what is the most annoying thing from all is that they have technology, it is in Indesign, all basic things are better, they've made illustrator so fancy that they forgot the purpose, vectors are basic things, give as some basic simple functions to work with them...."

                                                                         

                                                                        I use Indesign too.  Illustrator is far superior with all of it's drawing tools.  Indesign has a selection of drawing tools and that's great but nothing like Illustrator.  Anyway, there are certainly some things in CorelDraw that are better than Illustrator but you haven't named any of them yet.  Envelope tools were better in CorelDraw decades ago than they are in Illustrator today.  Dealing with transparency has a better interface in CorelDraw than in Illustrator.  We can chalk up your comments so far to Pilot Error.  Illustrator is far better than you are aware of. 

                                                                        • 33. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                          grafician.net Level 1

                                                                          1. in Corel you click on the edge and push convert to curves, in illustrator you click on corner with alt pressed, make them both curved and after that you correct one, and by the way, fillet (rounded corners) scallop and chamfer are very old in corel dockers

                                                                          2. you can't use key command to trim in illustrator, only to bring up tab menu, i guess you refer to Shift-Cmd-F9 ??, in corel you can put direct shortcut for almost every operation or tool if not all

                                                                          3. again you confuse things, you can't put direct shortcut on align left or right, in corel it is a simple press on L or R, you refer again at shift+f7

                                                                          4. it is useless for me because I find it very easy to work in Corel way, of course Adobe has their own ideology, some kind of steve jobs and apple:)), of course was a easy task for google to bring android and execute them, same thing here if they persist in this idiocracy

                                                                          5. you don't need tabs in corel, everything you need it is in standard bar, very intuitive contextual

                                                                          6. obviously you don't know very good illustrator nor corel, rotate one object in illustrator and after that tell me with how many degree was rotated? try to rotate it back without undo, of course you see but only when you rotate him, not after that.

                                                                          7. copy paste at corel is in the same place, no need for ctrl+f, also you have send to back and to front like in illustrator. Why it is ctrl+f if you have send to front command? On the other hand it is ok paste in screen at illustrator since you have object in your view and you don't need to scroll, my arguing at this point was with duplicating items keeping a common side, very annoying at illustrator, very hard to flip if is not a 45 or 90 angle.

                                                                          8. agree with transparency, that make mask thing it is to much in illustrator, why they don't take a simple gradient tool and drag it over object, instead they put you to do a new object placed over initial one, on the other hand you can control any area of transparency in every way, in corel you can't.

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          So again, Illustrator is for graphic artists used by advertising agencies, Corel is for fast and clean tasks used by production workshops.


                                                                          By the way, Corel 7 is Corel 7, Corel X7 is like Corel 17 since after Corel 12, Corel 13 was named Corel X3.

                                                                          They started somehow to bring Illustrator functions and same idiocracy with dockers (tabs):)), if they continue i don't see Corel a better alternative for illustrator in future, except maybe for shortcuts freedom

                                                                          • 34. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                            Kuttyjoe Level 1

                                                                            "1. in Corel you click on the edge and push convert to curves, in illustrator you click on corner with alt pressed, make them both curved and after that you correct one"

                                                                             

                                                                            No.  In Illustrator you draw a box, or draw two paths with a corner.  Anything with a corner.  Then there's a small handle there that you can drag to do a rounded corner.  That's it.  It's far superior to Corel Draw.  If you hold various modifier keys you can also invert the rounded corner or champfer, etc, etc.  Any paths you create that happen to have a corner can become rounded corners, all together or one at a time.  As I said earlier, if you take the pen tool and draw a whole bunch of paths with corners, they all can be rounded one by one, or all together, or select a group of them and round them together.

                                                                             

                                                                            "(rounded corners) scallop and chamfer are very old in corel dockers"

                                                                            OK, but I haven't made any comment about that so I'm not sure what you point is.

                                                                             

                                                                            "2. you can't use key command to trim in illustrator, only to bring up tab menu, i guess you refer to Shift-Cmd-F9 ?"

                                                                             

                                                                            No, I directly trim objects in Illustrator.  I also directly do several other path operations from the Pathfinder pallet.  All of them can be assigned to key commands.  I'm not talking about making the palette visible.  I'm talking about directly chopping objects with a key command.

                                                                             

                                                                            "3. again you confuse things, you can't put direct shortcut on align left or right"

                                                                             

                                                                            I guess you are in shock that there are things possible in Illustrator that you are completely unaware of.  To make it simple again, I have a key command assigned directly to Align Center.  I select two objects, then I press my custom key command and watch them align.  The palette is not even visible on the screen.  I'm not talking about opening a palette.  That would be deceitful and pointless for me to play around with words like that.

                                                                             

                                                                            "5. you don't need tabs in corel, everything you need it is in standard bar, very intuitive contextual"

                                                                            Everything YOU need maybe.  Not everything I need.  Not everything everybody else needs.

                                                                             

                                                                            "6. obviously you don't know very good illustrator nor corel, rotate one object in illustrator and after that tell me with how many degree was rotated?"

                                                                            I don't get it.  Wasn't it I who said that I could rotate an object and read the degrees that it's rotated?  I'm sure it was me.  Yet you accuse ME of being the one who doesn't know Illustrator.  LOL  So, either I'm wasting time telling lies, or it's actually YOU who doesn't know Illustrator.  I'll say it again,  I can rotate an object in Illustrator and read the degrees that it's been rotated.  I can't make it any simpler than that.

                                                                             

                                                                            "try to rotate it back without undo, of course you see but only when you rotate him, not after that."

                                                                            What?  If I rotate an object.  Save the file.  Close Illustrator.  Open it back up.  Open the file.  Select the object and it shows the degrees of rotation.  I can rotate the object by typing in 21 degrees.  Tomorrow, I can change it to 90 degrees.  Again, and again, you just don't know Illustrator.

                                                                             

                                                                            "7. copy paste at corel is in the same place, no need for ctrl+f"

                                                                             

                                                                            If you say so.  But your argument is taking a familiar turn.  If for whatever reason you don't need this great feature, that's fine.  But don't try to decide what other people need.  I've been relying on that feature for decades.  Illustrator's Copy/Past functionality is superior to CorelDraw's.  That's all.

                                                                             

                                                                            "very annoying at illustrator, very hard to flip if is not a 45 or 90 angle."

                                                                            That's pilot error.


                                                                            "8. agree with transparency, that make mask thing it is to much in illustrator"

                                                                            Illustrator is more complicated, but also more powerful.  More features.

                                                                             

                                                                            "why they don't take a simple gradient tool and drag it over object"

                                                                            They did.  A looonnngggg time ago.  So I guess this means that you're making arguments about Illustrator from what 6 years ago?

                                                                             

                                                                            "So again, Illustrator is for graphic artists used by advertising agencies, Corel is for fast and clean tasks used by production workshops."


                                                                            Unfortunately, you still have a perfect record of being wrong about each and every single thing you've said about Illustrator.  I think you pointed out a single thing that was actually true.  So, I'm gonna have to seriously doubt if you're qualified to make that statement.  I work in a production workshop by the way.  As I said before, there are definitely some unique things in CorelDraw.  You just haven't named any of them.



                                                                            • 35. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                              grafician.net Level 1

                                                                              ok, tell me how from a rectangle you make only one edge curved, but only one.

                                                                              how you directly trim if you cant put a direct key for that, maybe you start with how you assign a direct key for that. If you search in edit, keyboard shortcuts and trim, there is nothing to assign, same for align.

                                                                              from where you read degree of rotation after you reopened the file if you not use transform from effects?

                                                                              Internet is full with guys trying to read rotation angle in illustrator, there's no angle reader tool also.

                                                                              I referred to a transparency tool like the one in corel which looks like a gradient, there's no transparency tool in illustrator cs6, you must move opacity from gradient but this means you must refill object with a gradient or to go in transparency tab and make a mask from there, or maybe of course, you have a magic button again:))))))


                                                                              if you prefer to talk is your problem but you just keep saying it can be done, how it can be done???

                                                                              • 36. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                                Kuttyjoe Level 1

                                                                                "ok, tell me how from a rectangle you make only one edge curved, but only one."

                                                                                All shapes that have a corner have a little control.  Slide the control to round that corner, individually or together.

                                                                                 

                                                                                "how you directly trim if you cant put a direct key for that, maybe you start with how you assign a direct key for that."

                                                                                 

                                                                                Assign the key command as an action, then perform the action via key command.  Trim, Align, etc.

                                                                                 

                                                                                "Internet is full with guys trying to read rotation angle in illustrator"

                                                                                It only works on Rectangles actually, but you can see the angle of rotation in the Transform palette and change the angle there as well.  It's not available for other shapes.

                                                                                 

                                                                                "there's no angle reader tool also."

                                                                                The Ruler tools shows you the angle object.

                                                                                 

                                                                                "I referred to a transparency tool like the one in corel which looks like a gradient, there's none transparency tool in illustrator cs6"

                                                                                OK, I misunderstood you there.  There's no transparency tool in Illustrator.  But Illustrator still has more powerful transparency features.  Corel makes the basics easier, but doesn't go as deep.  Illustrator is less intuitive, but more powerful. Pick your choice as to which is better.  Also, the masking is not necessary for transparency, it's just an additional feature.  For transparency just type 50% or whatever.


                                                                                "if you prefer to talk is your problem but you just keep saying it can be done, how it can be done???"

                                                                                Easy now.  I'm obligated to instruct you in anything, but I did just that, as soon as you actually asked how it's done.  Prior to that you were "preferring to talk" so don't say "it's my problem."  On the bright side, I suspect you now have a little better opinion of Illustrator.

                                                                                • 37. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                                  grafician.net Level 1

                                                                                  stop wasting my time, readers time and maybe yours.

                                                                                  "All shapes that have a corner have a little control.  Slide the control to round that corner, individually or together."

                                                                                  with path tool and alt pressed over that corner you have that control, but that will deform not only one side but booth, in corel it is direct

                                                                                  If I go deep on that, illustrator don't give you option to round a specific corner on a rectangle, only all of them, you must make new points, delete old one and curve shape between.

                                                                                  In corel you can make whatever you want, fillet, chamfer or scallop directly for EVERY POINT selected.


                                                                                  "Assign the key command as an action, then perform the action via key command.  Trim, Align, etc."

                                                                                  fact remains, you can't have a direct shortcut for trim, intersect or else, yes, you can make a new action, record it and asign a combination from  F1 to F9 with shift or ctrl. I don't want F1 to F9 nor alt or control, simple as that, in corel I can assign everything on everything, in illustrator only what they give you in edit, keyboard shortcuts.


                                                                                  "It only works on Rectangles actually, but you can see the angle of rotation in the Transform palette and change the angle there as well."

                                                                                  No again, you are in deep error, you read from books not from screen, you talk like the cheapest employee that adobe can have, there's no way to read an object angle after you insert it in transform tool and press enter, it will be rotated but if you forget that number you can't rotate another object with the same amount because you don't know it.


                                                                                  "The Ruler tools shows you the angle object."

                                                                                  at least you said something partially right, his name is measure tool not ruler.


                                                                                  "Easy now.  I'm obligated to instruct you in anything,"

                                                                                  You are not, in fact you more confuse people.



                                                                                  ILLUSTRATOR HAS ALL THE OBJECTS IN AN ARTISTIC RELATION NOT IN A MATHEMATICAL ONE LIKE COREL.

                                                                                  Once you understand this limit in their engine you know what you can achieve with illustrator and what with corel.

                                                                                  take spiral tool, or star tool, or any shape tool, they are just dust in the wind in front of corel, once you made that shape it remains like that.


                                                                                  PS: and i am still asking adobe to stop fouling people presenting illustrator as a vector program, which is not, it is only some kind of graphic library with brushes substituted by lines, called vectors in their head, they are unable to put some complex algorithms between 2 points, all they can do is to give you a way to input location of some points (x and y) and show it on the screen.

                                                                                  A vector is a mathematical expression, PERIOD.


                                                                                  • 38. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                                    Kuttyjoe Level 1

                                                                                    "stop wasting my time, readers time and maybe yours."

                                                                                    Anger and insults. Not unexpected at all.


                                                                                    "with path tool and alt pressed over that corner you have that control, but that will deform not only one side but booth"

                                                                                    "f I go deep on that, illustrator don't give you option to round a specific corner on a rectangle, only all of them, you must make new points"

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Look at the picture if you can't be bothered to download the demo and see for yourself.  I've done something a little different on several corners, with direct control.  It's PRECISELY as I said.  Every corner, or any shape has an independent handle for rounding corners.  But my guess is that you're going to reply with more "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE, YOU'RE AN ADOBE EMPLOYEE!".

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Screen Shot 2014-10-23 at 11.38.07 AM.png

                                                                                     

                                                                                    "fact remains, you can't have a direct shortcut for trim, intersect or else"

                                                                                    I use Shift F6 for Trim.  That' a key command.  LOL  And you've entered the next predictable stage of refusal to accept reality when you're desperately wrong.  It's OK though.  It's entertaining.


                                                                                    "you read from books not from screen, you talk like the cheapest employee that adobe can have, there's no way to read an object angle after you insert it in transform tool"

                                                                                    Once again, may I draw your attention to the pretty picture:


                                                                                    Screen Shot 2014-10-23 at 11.38.58 AM.png

                                                                                    What's it say there?  Transform Palette, 15.8 degrees.  Oh, and notice the controls for rounded corners also.


                                                                                    "ILLUSTRATOR HAS ALL THE OBJECTS IN AN ARTISTIC RELATION NOT IN A MATHEMATICAL ONE LIKE COREL."

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Finally, utter nonsense.  I'm pretty much done here.  Do you need a link for where to download the demo and see this stuff for yourself?  I'm hoping that you aren't going to accuse me of "photoshopping" those images.  LOL

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Like I said earlier, CorelDraw has a lot of unique features.  You just haven't mentioned any of them.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: why is illustrator better than corel?
                                                                                      grafician.net Level 1

                                                                                      Yes, this time you are right, i don't have those functions in cs6, probably you have CC version, the latest thing, after 27 years finally they found a way to show the angle )).

                                                                                      I will show you in weekend why corel is better at vectors, with pictures too.

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