26 Replies Latest reply on Oct 4, 2007 12:40 PM by stefan_we.

    Which Server Technology Will Stick?

    Level 7
      With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or asp.net
      in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which direction to go as
      far as my "server technology of choice." I have traditionally used ASP
      (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on borrowed time. And ASP.Net outside
      of DW doesn't appeal to me since I'm not a big-time coder.

      So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for the
      future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your best guess
      as to what server technologies will still be popular and supported (in tools
      like DW) in 3-5 years?

      As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold Fusion
      or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP will have less
      support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with more insight into
      these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time and money in learning
      something new, only to have it be replaced next year.

      --
      Brandon
      http://www.presentationsdirect.com

        • 1. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
          Level 7
          Brandon wrote:
          > With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or
          > asp.net in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which direction
          > to go as far as my "server technology of choice." I have traditionally
          > used ASP (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on borrowed time. And
          > ASP.Net outside of DW doesn't appeal to me since I'm not a big-time coder.
          >
          > So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for the
          > future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your best
          > guess as to what server technologies will still be popular and supported
          > (in tools like DW) in 3-5 years?
          >
          > As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold
          > Fusion or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP
          > will have less support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with
          > more insight into these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time
          > and money in learning something new, only to have it be replaced next year.
          >

          ASP.NET is probably being dropped as Microsoft has there own free
          program that allows you to develop your site a but like Dreamweaver, its
          called Expression Web I think.

          I think classic ASP will be around for years to come, I am not moving
          away from it, it does everything I need for the moment. I tried PHP but
          found it too different from ASP and gave up without giving it much of a
          chance.

          Steve
          • 2. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
            Level 7
            I think you would be VERY safe with either choice.

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            "Brandon" <bsmith@presentationsdirect.nospam.com> wrote in message
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            > With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or
            > asp.net in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which direction
            > to go as far as my "server technology of choice." I have traditionally
            > used ASP (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on borrowed time. And
            > ASP.Net outside of DW doesn't appeal to me since I'm not a big-time coder.
            >
            > So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for the
            > future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your best
            > guess as to what server technologies will still be popular and supported
            > (in tools like DW) in 3-5 years?
            >
            > As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold
            > Fusion or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP will
            > have less support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with more
            > insight into these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time and money
            > in learning something new, only to have it be replaced next year.
            >
            > --
            > Brandon
            > http://www.presentationsdirect.com
            >


            • 3. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
              Level 7
              my guess would be php.
              It's supported on most hosting on both windows and linux servers. It's
              actively developed and has a pretty good history of supporting previous
              versions and a long lead time of announcing when something is going to be
              dropped (such as the change to a default of turning global variables off)

              With ColdFusion you really limit your hosting choices. And it's just so
              different, being <tag> based. There's a much smaller world to search in for
              info and expertise on CF compared to php.

              Just to mention- if you don't want to change, i'd guess there will be hosts
              offering classic asp/vbscript for years to come but it will slowly shrink.


              my guess/opinion on why asp.net was dropped from dreamweaver would be that
              it was a losing fight to keep current with the release versions of asp.net
              since MS can release a new version and update their tools for it on their
              timetable without giving the developers of other tools notice. So
              dreamweaver would never be current for working with the current version of
              asp.net

              --
              Alan
              Adobe Community Expert, dreamweaver

              http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/



              • 4. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                Level 7
                > So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for the
                > future", what would you recommend?

                PHP

                But either way, don't let DW pick this for you. That's letting the wrong
                product make the decision.

                -Darrel


                • 5. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                  Level 7

                  > my guess/opinion on why asp.net was dropped from dreamweaver would be that
                  > it was a losing fight to keep current with the release versions of asp.net

                  There's that, and also that ASP.net is really a compiled language, which
                  requires a .net complier, which I'm sure Adobe has no interest/ability to
                  maintain.

                  -Darrel


                  • 6. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                    rich.leach
                    About once a year I lift my head up out of the "coding clouds" to see what's going on, what technologies are advancing, slipping, falling in or out of style.... I could switch to a different technology at any time, incorporate multiple techs, leverage one against the other,etc. So like yourself, I ask myself "what should I use" on a regular basis.

                    Simple answer: Adobe seems to have committed to DW, and as of late, ColdFusion. CF is not going away, it's gaining strength and some of the insider folk there at Adobe have alluded to some big things coming down the pike as far existing product integration into CF (they've already accomplished quite a bit with PDF and Flash integration into CF). I can simply get a lot more down, a lot more quickly with CF than any other server technology out there, and run it on more platforms right out of the box. Hosting plans are running very affordably, so if you want to stay with DW I'd suggest you look more into ColdFusion. Good luck with your decision.

                    Rich
                    • 7. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                      Level 7
                      xWeb is NOT free.

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                      "Dooza" <doozadooza@gmail.com> wrote in message
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                      > Brandon wrote:
                      >> With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or
                      >> asp.net in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which direction
                      >> to go as far as my "server technology of choice." I have traditionally
                      >> used ASP (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on borrowed time. And
                      >> ASP.Net outside of DW doesn't appeal to me since I'm not a big-time
                      >> coder.
                      >>
                      >> So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for the
                      >> future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your best
                      >> guess as to what server technologies will still be popular and supported
                      >> (in tools like DW) in 3-5 years?
                      >>
                      >> As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold
                      >> Fusion or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP will
                      >> have less support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with more
                      >> insight into these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time and
                      >> money in learning something new, only to have it be replaced next year.
                      >>
                      >
                      > ASP.NET is probably being dropped as Microsoft has there own free program
                      > that allows you to develop your site a but like Dreamweaver, its called
                      > Expression Web I think.
                      >
                      > I think classic ASP will be around for years to come, I am not moving away
                      > from it, it does everything I need for the moment. I tried PHP but found
                      > it too different from ASP and gave up without giving it much of a chance.
                      >
                      > Steve


                      • 8. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                        Level 7
                        Murray *ACE* wrote:
                        > xWeb is NOT free.
                        >
                        Sorry, I must have misunderstood, I thought there was a new free ms
                        program that did .Net. I stand corrected.

                        Steve
                        • 9. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                          Level 7
                          rich.leach wrote:

                          [snip] CF is not going away, it's gaining strength ...

                          This may be just your opinion!
                          Mick

                          > Rich
                          >
                          • 10. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                            Level 7
                            You think?

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                            "Mick White" <himselfBOGUS@mickweb.com> wrote in message
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                            > rich.leach wrote:
                            >
                            > [snip] CF is not going away, it's gaining strength ...
                            >
                            > This may be just your opinion!
                            > Mick
                            >
                            >> Rich
                            >>


                            • 11. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                              rich.leach Level 1
                              ... sure it's an opinion, and everyone has one! ;-)

                              Like I said, I'd like to think I give the competing technologies a fair shake, and being a contractor inevitably I end up connecting CF to other technologies, so I have a fair understanding about how some of the other techs work. Not great, but an OK feel for them.

                              CF has come a long way in a short amount of time, and since I owe my clients the best, most efficient and cost effective solutions I can provide, I continue to stay with ColdFusion. I don't have the time or means to get into some bullet pointed - this tech doesn't do this or that - debate. It's kinda like a religion, you probably won't convert somebody on a publicly hosted forum. The person posting the original inquiry was asking a fair question and I was just pointing out some obvious benefits that CF offers. I hope he/she makes a million bucks whichever technology he/she chooses! CF and especially PHP have shown the Microsofties of the world that clearly there are other choices available. And it's about time!

                              Enjoy,

                              Rich
                              • 12. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                Level 7
                                I'm familiar with Expression Web, but I find it to be a lot harder to use
                                than DW, so for now, I'm planning on sticking with DW.

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                                "Dooza" <doozadooza@gmail.com> wrote in message
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                                > Brandon wrote:
                                >> With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or
                                >> asp.net in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which direction
                                >> to go as far as my "server technology of choice." I have traditionally
                                >> used ASP (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on borrowed time. And
                                >> ASP.Net outside of DW doesn't appeal to me since I'm not a big-time
                                >> coder.
                                >>
                                >> So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for the
                                >> future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your best
                                >> guess as to what server technologies will still be popular and supported
                                >> (in tools like DW) in 3-5 years?
                                >>
                                >> As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold
                                >> Fusion or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP will
                                >> have less support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with more
                                >> insight into these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time and
                                >> money in learning something new, only to have it be replaced next year.
                                >>
                                >
                                > ASP.NET is probably being dropped as Microsoft has there own free program
                                > that allows you to develop your site a but like Dreamweaver, its called
                                > Expression Web I think.
                                >
                                > I think classic ASP will be around for years to come, I am not moving away
                                > from it, it does everything I need for the moment. I tried PHP but found
                                > it too different from ASP and gave up without giving it much of a chance.
                                >
                                > Steve

                                • 13. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                  Level 7
                                  There are parts of xWeb that I actually like better than DW, but not so
                                  many. And there are other parts that are definitely a LONG way from DW's
                                  capability. But - I don't find much difference in usability, honestly.

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                                  "Brandon" <bsmith@presentationsdirect.nospam.com> wrote in message
                                  news:fdrbde$1l7$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                  > I'm familiar with Expression Web, but I find it to be a lot harder to use
                                  > than DW, so for now, I'm planning on sticking with DW.
                                  >
                                  > --
                                  > Brandon
                                  > http://www.presentationsdirect.com
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > "Dooza" <doozadooza@gmail.com> wrote in message
                                  > news:fdr1ar$jgo$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                  >> Brandon wrote:
                                  >>> With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or
                                  >>> asp.net in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which direction
                                  >>> to go as far as my "server technology of choice." I have traditionally
                                  >>> used ASP (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on borrowed time. And
                                  >>> ASP.Net outside of DW doesn't appeal to me since I'm not a big-time
                                  >>> coder.
                                  >>>
                                  >>> So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for the
                                  >>> future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your best
                                  >>> guess as to what server technologies will still be popular and supported
                                  >>> (in tools like DW) in 3-5 years?
                                  >>>
                                  >>> As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold
                                  >>> Fusion or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP
                                  >>> will have less support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with
                                  >>> more insight into these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time
                                  >>> and money in learning something new, only to have it be replaced next
                                  >>> year.
                                  >>>
                                  >>
                                  >> ASP.NET is probably being dropped as Microsoft has there own free program
                                  >> that allows you to develop your site a but like Dreamweaver, its called
                                  >> Expression Web I think.
                                  >>
                                  >> I think classic ASP will be around for years to come, I am not moving
                                  >> away from it, it does everything I need for the moment. I tried PHP but
                                  >> found it too different from ASP and gave up without giving it much of a
                                  >> chance.
                                  >>
                                  >> Steve
                                  >


                                  • 14. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                    Level 7
                                    I find it very difficult, especially with CSS, compared to DW. Also, the
                                    ASP.net model is a big jump from ASP.

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                                    "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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                                    > There are parts of xWeb that I actually like better than DW, but not so
                                    > many. And there are other parts that are definitely a LONG way from DW's
                                    > capability. But - I don't find much difference in usability, honestly.
                                    >
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                                    > "Brandon" <bsmith@presentationsdirect.nospam.com> wrote in message
                                    > news:fdrbde$1l7$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                    >> I'm familiar with Expression Web, but I find it to be a lot harder to use
                                    >> than DW, so for now, I'm planning on sticking with DW.
                                    >>
                                    >> --
                                    >> Brandon
                                    >> http://www.presentationsdirect.com
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> "Dooza" <doozadooza@gmail.com> wrote in message
                                    >> news:fdr1ar$jgo$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                    >>> Brandon wrote:
                                    >>>> With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or
                                    >>>> asp.net in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which
                                    >>>> direction to go as far as my "server technology of choice." I have
                                    >>>> traditionally used ASP (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on borrowed
                                    >>>> time. And ASP.Net outside of DW doesn't appeal to me since I'm not a
                                    >>>> big-time coder.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for the
                                    >>>> future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your best
                                    >>>> guess as to what server technologies will still be popular and
                                    >>>> supported (in tools like DW) in 3-5 years?
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold
                                    >>>> Fusion or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP
                                    >>>> will have less support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with
                                    >>>> more insight into these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time
                                    >>>> and money in learning something new, only to have it be replaced next
                                    >>>> year.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> ASP.NET is probably being dropped as Microsoft has there own free
                                    >>> program that allows you to develop your site a but like Dreamweaver, its
                                    >>> called Expression Web I think.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> I think classic ASP will be around for years to come, I am not moving
                                    >>> away from it, it does everything I need for the moment. I tried PHP but
                                    >>> found it too different from ASP and gave up without giving it much of a
                                    >>> chance.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Steve
                                    >>
                                    >
                                    >

                                    • 15. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                      Level 7
                                      You would find CS3 to be just as difficult, I think, in that case. It's the
                                      CSS parts of xWeb that I like the best, actually....

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                                      "Brandon" <bsmith@presentationsdirect.nospam.com> wrote in message
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                                      >I find it very difficult, especially with CSS, compared to DW. Also, the
                                      >ASP.net model is a big jump from ASP.
                                      >
                                      > --
                                      > Brandon
                                      > http://www.presentationsdirect.com
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
                                      > news:fdrbi5$1pa$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                      >> There are parts of xWeb that I actually like better than DW, but not so
                                      >> many. And there are other parts that are definitely a LONG way from DW's
                                      >> capability. But - I don't find much difference in usability, honestly.
                                      >>
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                                      >> "Brandon" <bsmith@presentationsdirect.nospam.com> wrote in message
                                      >> news:fdrbde$1l7$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                      >>> I'm familiar with Expression Web, but I find it to be a lot harder to
                                      >>> use than DW, so for now, I'm planning on sticking with DW.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> --
                                      >>> Brandon
                                      >>> http://www.presentationsdirect.com
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> "Dooza" <doozadooza@gmail.com> wrote in message
                                      >>> news:fdr1ar$jgo$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                      >>>> Brandon wrote:
                                      >>>>> With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or
                                      >>>>> asp.net in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which
                                      >>>>> direction to go as far as my "server technology of choice." I have
                                      >>>>> traditionally used ASP (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on
                                      >>>>> borrowed time. And ASP.Net outside of DW doesn't appeal to me since
                                      >>>>> I'm not a big-time coder.
                                      >>>>>
                                      >>>>> So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for
                                      >>>>> the future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your
                                      >>>>> best guess as to what server technologies will still be popular and
                                      >>>>> supported (in tools like DW) in 3-5 years?
                                      >>>>>
                                      >>>>> As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold
                                      >>>>> Fusion or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP
                                      >>>>> will have less support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with
                                      >>>>> more insight into these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time
                                      >>>>> and money in learning something new, only to have it be replaced next
                                      >>>>> year.
                                      >>>>>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> ASP.NET is probably being dropped as Microsoft has there own free
                                      >>>> program that allows you to develop your site a but like Dreamweaver,
                                      >>>> its called Expression Web I think.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> I think classic ASP will be around for years to come, I am not moving
                                      >>>> away from it, it does everything I need for the moment. I tried PHP but
                                      >>>> found it too different from ASP and gave up without giving it much of a
                                      >>>> chance.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> Steve
                                      >>>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >


                                      • 16. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                        Level 7
                                        There is a free product from Microsoft called Visual Web Developer, and it
                                        can be used for ASP.NET programming (both C# and VB). In fact, all of the
                                        Visual Studio components--VB, C#, SQL Server, etc., have free versions, and
                                        they're pretty full-featured, considering the price.

                                        The difference is that VWD, and the others listed above, are not great for
                                        design. They have some stuff, but nothing as good as Dreamweaver for the
                                        front-end. xWeb, however, does have better design capabilities than the
                                        Studio products. But it isn't free.

                                        >>
                                        > Sorry, I must have misunderstood, I thought there was a new free ms
                                        > program that did .Net. I stand corrected.
                                        >
                                        > Steve


                                        • 17. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                          Level 7
                                          > some bullet pointed - this tech doesn't do this or that - debate. It's
                                          > kinda
                                          > like a religion, you probably won't convert somebody

                                          Those who doubted CF in this thread were probably raising concerns about how
                                          likely it will be that Adobe will continue to develop CF; they weren't
                                          trying to slam CF itself. Several people have speculated that Adobe wouldn't
                                          go forward with CF, and though these rumors are unsubstantiated so far, they
                                          are worth considering.


                                          • 18. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                            Level 7
                                            I already use CS 3 and love its CSS implementation . . . and I've tested
                                            xWeb, but disliked it a lot. Just my opinion.

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                                            "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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                                            > You would find CS3 to be just as difficult, I think, in that case. It's
                                            > the CSS parts of xWeb that I like the best, actually....
                                            >
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                                            > "Brandon" <bsmith@presentationsdirect.nospam.com> wrote in message
                                            > news:fdrdf6$3qq$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                            >>I find it very difficult, especially with CSS, compared to DW. Also, the
                                            >>ASP.net model is a big jump from ASP.
                                            >>
                                            >> --
                                            >> Brandon
                                            >> http://www.presentationsdirect.com
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >> "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
                                            >> news:fdrbi5$1pa$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                            >>> There are parts of xWeb that I actually like better than DW, but not so
                                            >>> many. And there are other parts that are definitely a LONG way from
                                            >>> DW's capability. But - I don't find much difference in usability,
                                            >>> honestly.
                                            >>>
                                            >>> --
                                            >>> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
                                            >>> Adobe Community Expert
                                            >>> (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
                                            >>> ==================
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                                            >>> http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
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                                            >>> http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes
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                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> "Brandon" <bsmith@presentationsdirect.nospam.com> wrote in message
                                            >>> news:fdrbde$1l7$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                            >>>> I'm familiar with Expression Web, but I find it to be a lot harder to
                                            >>>> use than DW, so for now, I'm planning on sticking with DW.
                                            >>>>
                                            >>>> --
                                            >>>> Brandon
                                            >>>> http://www.presentationsdirect.com
                                            >>>>
                                            >>>>
                                            >>>> "Dooza" <doozadooza@gmail.com> wrote in message
                                            >>>> news:fdr1ar$jgo$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                            >>>>> Brandon wrote:
                                            >>>>>> With the recent announcement that DW will not be supporting .jsp or
                                            >>>>>> asp.net in the next version, I'm pausing now to consider which
                                            >>>>>> direction to go as far as my "server technology of choice." I have
                                            >>>>>> traditionally used ASP (VBScript), but I suppose I'm living on
                                            >>>>>> borrowed time. And ASP.Net outside of DW doesn't appeal to me since
                                            >>>>>> I'm not a big-time coder.
                                            >>>>>>
                                            >>>>>> So having a background in ASP and needing to go in a direction "for
                                            >>>>>> the future", what would you recommend? In other words, what is your
                                            >>>>>> best guess as to what server technologies will still be popular and
                                            >>>>>> supported (in tools like DW) in 3-5 years?
                                            >>>>>>
                                            >>>>>> As I see it, if I want to stick with DW, I would have to choose Cold
                                            >>>>>> Fusion or PHP . . . but if DW decides to hedge their bets on CF, PHP
                                            >>>>>> will have less support. I would appreciate thoughts from those with
                                            >>>>>> more insight into these trends. I don't want to invest a lot of time
                                            >>>>>> and money in learning something new, only to have it be replaced next
                                            >>>>>> year.
                                            >>>>>>
                                            >>>>>
                                            >>>>> ASP.NET is probably being dropped as Microsoft has there own free
                                            >>>>> program that allows you to develop your site a but like Dreamweaver,
                                            >>>>> its called Expression Web I think.
                                            >>>>>
                                            >>>>> I think classic ASP will be around for years to come, I am not moving
                                            >>>>> away from it, it does everything I need for the moment. I tried PHP
                                            >>>>> but found it too different from ASP and gave up without giving it much
                                            >>>>> of a chance.
                                            >>>>>
                                            >>>>> Steve
                                            >>>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>
                                            >
                                            >

                                            • 19. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                              L._Simon Level 1
                                              PHP - all the way.

                                              Why? PHP is open source. Outside of the ethical advantages of that, being open source means that there are no surprises. Closed source means that one person or company controls the development cycle, or lack thereof. If MS decides to move away from ASP.NET, into some new technology we don't even know about yet, there is nothign you can do about it.

                                              With open source, there will essentially always be people actively developing the software. As a previous poster said - when things change, you have notice. There is no "six months from now, there's going to be a new release with all new features!" Instead, its "We're planning these enhancementsin the next five version, and this is how it will impact you. If you want to see what it looks like now, in development, click here."

                                              In addition, I've found that the community of PHP coders is MUCH larger than ASP.NET. Many of them are amatuers, granted :), but there is still a very, very active community of hard-core coders, including those who actually write the engine, whom you can contact at any time.

                                              PHP is different from ASP.NET, but it si very similar in my mind to Javascript. Once you learn how the variable names work, and if you have good coding practices, PHP is very easy to pick up.
                                              • 20. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                                Günter Schenk Level 4
                                                >>
                                                Several people have speculated that Adobe wouldn't go forward with CF, and though these rumors are unsubstantiated so far, they are worth considering
                                                >>

                                                from a logical point of view this wouldn´t make any sense, considering Adobe allocating quite some resources to releasing a new CF version, promoting it all over the place, and have pretty much extension developers doing great stuff for it -- after all, CF is Adobe´s proprietary server model, which, unlike PHP, does get them some revenue by selling server licenses.

                                                If I were to learn a new "language" besides my traditional PHP stuff, it would certainly be CF -- but I currently don´t, because at least here in Germany affordable CF hosting plans are extremely rare.
                                                • 21. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                                  Level 7
                                                  On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:00:39 +0000 (UTC), "L. Simon"
                                                  <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

                                                  >PHP - all the way.
                                                  >
                                                  > Why? PHP is open source. Outside of the ethical advantages of that, being
                                                  >open source means that there are no surprises. Closed source means that one
                                                  >person or company controls the development cycle, or lack thereof. If MS
                                                  >decides to move away from ASP.NET, into some new technology we don't even know
                                                  >about yet, there is nothign you can do about it.
                                                  >
                                                  > With open source, there will essentially always be people actively developing
                                                  >the software. As a previous poster said - when things change, you have notice.
                                                  > There is no "six months from now, there's going to be a new release with all
                                                  >new features!" Instead, its "We're planning these enhancementsin the next five
                                                  >version, and this is how it will impact you. If you want to see what it looks
                                                  >like now, in development, click here."
                                                  >

                                                  I totally agree - I don't think any proprietary language is worth
                                                  considering except for specialised applications.

                                                  html / css, javascript ? php are not owned by any company - and should
                                                  be completely open standards.

                                                  with open source - then next version in alpha and beta is open for
                                                  anyone to download and test with.


                                                  --

                                                  ~Malcolm N....
                                                  ~
                                                  • 22. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                                    Level 7
                                                    Middletree wrote:
                                                    > There is a free product from Microsoft called Visual Web Developer, and it
                                                    > can be used for ASP.NET programming (both C# and VB). In fact, all of the
                                                    > Visual Studio components--VB, C#, SQL Server, etc., have free versions, and
                                                    > they're pretty full-featured, considering the price.
                                                    >
                                                    > The difference is that VWD, and the others listed above, are not great for
                                                    > design. They have some stuff, but nothing as good as Dreamweaver for the
                                                    > front-end. xWeb, however, does have better design capabilities than the
                                                    > Studio products. But it isn't free.
                                                    >
                                                    >> Sorry, I must have misunderstood, I thought there was a new free ms
                                                    >> program that did .Net. I stand corrected.
                                                    >>
                                                    >> Steve
                                                    >
                                                    >

                                                    That must be where I have got confused then, thank you for clearing it up.

                                                    Steve
                                                    • 23. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                                      Level 7
                                                      > PHP is different from ASP.NET, but it si very similar in my mind to
                                                      > Javascript.

                                                      It's not really simliar to either. ;o)

                                                      But yea, PHP is good. Ruby on Rails is making a lot of buzz in the open
                                                      source world too. Might be worth checking out.

                                                      -Darrel


                                                      • 24. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                                        Level 7
                                                        Murray *ACE* wrote:

                                                        > You think?
                                                        >
                                                        Well, I'd like to see some statistics.
                                                        Mick
                                                        • 25. Re: Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                                          Level 7
                                                          Would my opinion be good enough?

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                                                          "Mick White" <himselfBOGUS@mickweb.com> wrote in message
                                                          news:fducr0$gas$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                                                          > Murray *ACE* wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          >> You think?
                                                          >>
                                                          > Well, I'd like to see some statistics.
                                                          > Mick


                                                          • 26. Which Server Technology Will Stick?
                                                            stefan_we. Level 1
                                                            I don't think that Adobe will be that short-sighted to kick out php, just because they are in control of cf now. Php is THE standard when it comes to dynamic pages. it is easy to use, you find a number of complementing open source (e.g. joomla, ) on the web and the vast majority of designer will to dump DW if Adobe stops supporting php. If they do so, another company will pick up the segment, Open source or commercial.

                                                            For:
                                                            1.) php web space is cheaper than cf,
                                                            2.) designers are already used to php,
                                                            3.) it best suited for working with sql data ( xaamp)
                                                            4.) there are already reasonable competitors out there offering good open source editors ( nvu)

                                                            So I would recommend you to go for php. There is a lot of support out their from other designers, you can find a whole bunch of good free complimentary software, and Adobe won't be that shortsighted to scare off thousands of customers. By supporting ColdFusion exclusively.