4 Replies Latest reply: Mar 10, 2010 4:20 AM by Ned43 RSS

    the live automation writing can't keep up with mute on/off or efx on/off...bad bad bad

    Ned43 Community Member

      So if you want to say mute a section of a track by writing the automation live by turning the mute button off and on, the only way to do that is to to one envelope at a time, then stop playing, then press play again and do the next envelope, press stop playin, and so on...

       

      if you try to just keep going and the envelopes are relatively close to each other, it will make like a diagonal line that fades it on or off rather then just abrutely turning the mute or efx on an off as you did when playing it live.

       

      try it out, it happens everytime if you go on and off too fast.

       

      it should be able to keep up, this is crucial, because without it's very time consuming to get the on/off sequence that you want for rhythmic passages, when you want the on and off to be in a certain rhythm based on the other tracks or the lyrics and such.

        • 1. Re: the live automation writing can't keep up with mute on/off or efx on/off...bad bad bad
          _durin_ Employee Hosts

          Try playing with the parameters under Edit > Preferences > Multitrack > Automation Options.

           

          Here's a bit from the manual:

          Automation Optimizations
          Contains options that determine how automated mix parameters are recorded. (See Techniques for automating mixes.)                                 
          Automatch Time
          Determines how fast parameters return to original values in the Touch or Latch modes. You can set values from 0.00 to 5.00 seconds; the default value is 1.00 second.
          Linear Edit Point Thinning
          Removes any edit points that represent static, unchanging parameter settings.
          Minimum Time Interval Thinning
          Creates edit points with intervals larger than the specified time value. Enter an interval between 1 and 2000 milliseconds in the Minimum Time field.
          • 2. Re: the live automation writing can't keep up with mute on/off or efx on/off...bad bad bad
            Ned43 Community Member

            Hello Durin thanks for the response.

             

            I should have mentioned that I have played with these settings a good amount, but nothing seems to work, although admittedly I don't understand what these settings are adjusting as it's not really in plain english.

             

            I put the automatch time at "0" because I figured that might make it be able to record the faster on/off automation, but that didn't work, I also messed with all the other settings but I have no idea what is effecting what.

             

            Oh Wait, here I just thought of something, let me try to show you what the problem is, lets use mute on/off automation as an example:

             

            When I try to record the mute on/off's live, here's what happens:

             

             

            When I hit: Mute on then Mute off and then press stop, the envelope will look like this:  |_|  and it is perfect, it mutes precisely where I told it to and returns to On exactly where I told it to.

             

            BUT, when I try to perform this operation twice within 3 seconds or so...the resulting envelopes are inaccurate and look like this: V V ...so the effect is that it's not a hard mute but rather fades in and out, same thing with efx on/off.

             

             

            What I would be eternally grateful for is if you know WHICH SETTINGS effect the speed with which you can record automation settings, like for instance allowing me to turn mute on/off 3 times in a matter of 5 seconds....and also in which way to adjust the settings (up or down).

             

            I have definetly messed with the settings a good deal and the only way I can get it to produce the proper envelope concurrent with how I actually performed the "mute on/off" is to do one envelope at a time, press stop, then play and record the next envelope.

             

             

             

            thanks for any help you can provide!

            • 3. Re: the live automation writing can't keep up with mute on/off or efx on/off...bad bad bad
              Ned43 Community Member

              my time estimates were a bit off...even if I try to make 2 envelopes within 7 or 8 seconds they will usually be off, if you wait long enough in between envelopes then you can write more then 1 envelope in one take and they will be accurate, sometimes.

              • 4. Re: the live automation writing can't keep up with mute on/off or efx on/off...bad bad bad
                Ned43 Community Member

                low and behold I messed around enough with the controls to make some difference, seems to be much more accurate now, I just wish new how and why.  any other descriptions of those automation parameters under preferences?

                 

                thanks!