9 Replies Latest reply on Mar 15, 2010 4:39 PM by envirographics

    How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?

    envirographics Level 1

      Hi,

      I have two matching stills, one is marked up with guidelines as to where I wish the pan window to go, this is on video track 2, on track 1 is the pure image less these guidance notes. I have turned off default scale to frame size and this imported montage 'still' is larger than my project size. I now hope to position the still with the guidance lines and area showing start of pan for frame 1 and have the underlying matching image on track1 take up the same position also.

      I thus need to link both images so that moving the one moves the other. How do I do this ?

      Currenly I can move the track2 image but track 1 image doesnt follow with it.

      Once I have indicated using keyframes the path I want to follow, I shall turn off track 1 and have Premiere create a movie just with the good image showing.

       

      How do I link the two image tracks together ?

       

      I am otherwise following a tutorial at http://www.savevid.com/video/create-an-advanced-photo-montage-in-premiere-pro.html which does the montage pan though I have just one photo, on tracks 1 and 2.

       

      Envirographics.

        • 1. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          Once you have keyframed the clip on track 2 to your liking, just select the clip, copy, select the clip on track 1 and paste attributes.

          • 2. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
            envirographics Level 1

            Hi,

            That sounds easy. Great !

            I presume then after having done that, that if I turn off track2, track 1 image will show exactly in the same place in the preview window, I shall see no jumping image, just see my guidance panels vanish.

             

            By duplicating the image in photoshop and placing colour blocks representing the project size w x h (pixels) I could see the path of the pan and so touch in any areas using rubber stamp tool that would otherwise show as black (no image available), having assembled the images with PTgui panorama stitcher and found out how good a montage it was !

             

            How can one nudge the clip left or right, up or down when positioning it in the program window to fine adjust its position ?

             

            I also moved the cursor forward on the timelienthen moved image to where I wanted it for that position and noticed it made a keyframe before I did. was that because the position icon was depressed, how did it know I wanted a keyframe here ?

             

            Envirographics

            • 3. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
              the_wine_snob Level 9

              I do something similar to what you did here. The difference is that instead of marking up a duplicate image, I use grids, or guides. This ARTICLE has a couple. Where I need things like the positions and sizes for PiP, I just create these as Stroked Shapes and Lines in PS, and Save_As .PSD's. I'll place the grids or guides on VT 2, and they can also be seen overlaying my images/Video in Titler with Show Video checked. This way can see my image/Video, while I adjust it to the grid/guide via Keyframes  Just do not forget to either turn OFF visibility for VT2, or Delete the grid/guide.

               

              Good luck,

               

              Hunt

              • 4. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
                envirographics Level 1

                Hi and thanks,

                I shall consider that.

                I am struggling on something simple, surely if I move image to a location then have a keyfram,e there it will when played back go dead straight to that location ?  my pan should go from position 1 (bott left) heading north east to pos'n 2, then due east to pos'n 3, then south west to pos'n 4 across the montage, I set the pos'n 1 with cursor at frame 1, and set keyframe, then moved image to the second position and it set the keyframe for me, I sort of find that a bit eeire, how did it know when I was in place !...anyhow I then moved the image across screen and into position 3 and it set a keyframe, now when I scrub the image between pos'n 2 and 3 the image dips down and rises again. It must have watched my every move, but I am unable to move it in a perfect line by mouse, so whats the secret ? I noted the rhs number in the position values and made sure it matched the pos'n 2 rhs number to ensure same height, but that made no difference, it sees image not go dead horizontal between pos 2 and 3, that position number changes as I scrub. can I tell it to remain a certain value betwen keyframes ?  How do I do a perfect straight line move between positions ?

                 

                Envirographics

                • 5. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                  I find it more useful to use the X-Y Coordinate numbers, than dragging the Bounding Box. For pure linear movement, try the numbers. What you might want to do now is go into Effects Control Panel and go to Frame 1 of the Clip. Note the coordinates, and use the little "Next Keyframe"icon, to get to the next - write down the coordinates, repeat. You might even want to add an Un-numbered Marker on the Timeline where each of your Keyframes is located. Delete the existing Keyframes. Go back to Frame 1, and add the first Keyframe, typing in your coordinates. Move to the Un-numbered Marker, and add the next, recording the coordinates. Repeat. When done, you can Delete those Markers, as they were just there to show you where your old Keyframes were.

                   

                  It is very likely that coordinates were not maintained, when you added them before. I've done the same before, and usually just start over, rather than explore everything to see where the coordinate shift came in.

                   

                  Also, remember that you can alter the Velocity of the movement with Bezier adjustments to the Keyframes. Or, you might find that Ease-Out and Ease-In look better for you. I use either the Ease-Out/Ease-In, or most often Continuous Bezier, for my Velocity adjustments.

                   

                  Good luck,

                   

                  Hunt

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                  • 6. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
                    envirographics Level 1

                    Hi, Thanks for that, a mathematical move in effect ! Will follow the advice,

                    cheers.

                    It was a result of Premiere being clever and watching the moves made, I would rather be able to adjust and hone my placements then when hapy tell it to follow such.

                    I recommend those reading this to also view http://vimeo.com/3181326 I find it so useful to see tutorials and this small series is clear and well spoken.

                    It covers the aspects you have just mentioned.

                     

                    Envirographics

                    • 7. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
                      envirographics Level 1

                      Hi,

                      I have followed this advice, the pan route is now perfect along with some tweaking of the bezier handles to make it go straight along the top from west to east..

                      However on the monitor it plays with comb like artefacts along edges , on the produced avi file from Export>Movie, one sees double, a balloon has two strings for example. Humans have a ghosted edge all around them. As the image stops moving at end of the pan I see the two ballon strings get closer and become one just as the pan ends. Its blurred, I also see tide marks in some places, back of a guys shirt, as if its in 256colour mode !Written using an authoring prog to dvd the TV playback is no better. Just nothing like the stills in the same  video from which a montage was made to use for this Ken Burns effect. Why is the pan a mess ? It was a bit jerky on the PC, I hoped TV viewing would see an improvement.

                       

                      I have done a right-click on the image, Field Options and checked Flicker Removal as seen in a thread, made no difference.

                       

                      I'd also Crop the vertical in PS to just what was needed for the Project's/Sequence's vertical Frame dimension.”…done that

                       

                      Project is:- , custom size 1152 x 768 PAL square pixel into which I brought a montage 3754 x 1221 also square pixel. This yields crisp detail even when zoomed in on in photoshop. So why the jerky double image effect ?

                       

                      I have read that Premiere is not as good as this as dedicated programs, another suggestion was do it in After Effects but I dont have that, and these other progs are $200 and I had expected more quality than this. Article at http://vimeo.com/3181326 didjnt get these problems.

                       

                      What have I not done or overlooked ?

                       

                      Envirographics

                      • 8. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
                        the_wine_snob Level 9
                        Project is:- , custom size 1152 x 768 PAL square pixel into which I brought a montage 3754 x 1221 also square pixel. This yields crisp detail even when zoomed in on in photoshop. So why the jerky double image effect ?

                        Unless you are Panning across the Sahara Desert, those images are much too large. Do you really need 3x + the horizontal size of your Frame?

                         

                        PrPro can do Scaling and that is what needs to be done as you can never see more than your 1152 x 768 pixels at one time. However, its algorithms are not that good and quality issues result. I strongly recommend that you calculate just the number of horizontal pixels that will be required on your Pans and Scale the images in Photoshop instead. The Scaling algorithms are better, and offer more control, like Bicubic Smoother and Bicubic Sharper. Also, the overhead on your computer will be diminished, as it will not have to process all those extra pixels. This is one time where bigger is not better. This ARTICLE will give you some tips on using PS and automating the Scaling. Note: the dimensions mentioned are for SD material. Your image WILL be larger, but I'd keep them to just what is needed, and no more.

                         

                        Also, have you Rendered your Timeline, where you have done the Keyframing? When you stop the CTI on a Frame, do things clear up, or stay the same?Is your Program Monitor set to Quality = Highest, and Magnification set to 100%? Just some thoughts.

                         

                        Good luck,

                         

                        Hunt

                         

                        PS - also look at Frame Blend - Choose Clip > Video Options > Frame Blend.

                        • 9. Re: How to link two video stills clips tracks 1 and 2 ?
                          envirographics Level 1

                          Hi,

                          Unless you are Panning across the Sahara Desert, those images are much too large. Do you really need 3x + the horizontal size of your Frame?

                           

                          My Montage has over it some blue rectangles of shape proportional to the project size window of 1152x768 showing the pan route. Its a function room and pans North east then due east then south east along tables. To ensure I had this montage no bigger than necessary, I measured the width of the blue rectangle and divided that into 1152, the resulting percentage reduction in size was then used to resample smaller the image in photoshop. The montage was then cropped to rid it off any unwanted margins beyond the route of the project window.

                           

                          Understood on the Pshop algorithms etc. I did the resizing in Pshop. The montage size mentioned believe you me is required. Its quite a wide pan at 3.5 the width of the project frame size and almost twice the height. Image quality of the resized montage is more than adequate and looks fine. Importing this into premiere sees the project window fit perfectly the blue rectangle, thus maths are ok.

                           

                          I did your keyframe position entries at four locations, rendered the work area. exported as movie avi, and result is ropey, two balloon strings where should be one, halos around people. The project window and scrubbing though sees a far better image, also fine when its paused. The humans etc go a bit soft with the movement when play is pressed but don't take on a ghosted halo, and I dont see two balloon strings !

                           

                          Stumped.

                           

                          Envirographics