4 Replies Latest reply: Mar 28, 2010 1:27 AM by Mark Branch RSS

    I Muted a kick drum and pasted over it with a hi-hat, now my sequence is out of time?

    Mark Branch Community Member

      Hello, I had a multi-track session going with a drum loop going for me to play over but I wanted to replace a kick drum with a hi-hat, so I  went to Edit View and made a selection of one kick drum and muted it, set markers for the selection.

       

      I then selected a hi-hat, and set markers and adjusted the markers to the exact same length as the kick drum that I muted, I then double-clicked the markers and copied the hi hat with them and then double clicked the markers for the kick drum I deleted and pasted the hi hat between those markers.

       

      When I go back the Multi-Track view the drum track no longer loops properly, it's like it was shortened and now it ends just before it should start looping again causing an obvious moment of silence.

       

      Is this a bug?  It seems it should stay the exact same length, thanks for any insight on this matter it makes me leary of doing anything to a clip in edit view for fear that I will create much more work for myself trying to make things right again in MT.

        • 1. Re: I Muted a kick drum and pasted over it with a hi-hat, now my sequence is out of time?
          SteveG(AudioMasters) Community Member

          Hmm... I would have thought that this would have updated successfully - this sort of thing has whenever I've tried it before, although generally it's safer to either delete the instances of the file you have, and replace it with the saved version of the one you've altered - or do the other thing; mute just the beat you don't want, and put the hi-hat in on a separate track, which allows you rather more control over both tracks, really.

           

          But on the face of it, and without trying to replicate it, admittedly, it sounds as though it should have worked...

          • 2. Re: I Muted a kick drum and pasted over it with a hi-hat, now my sequence is out of time?
            Mark Branch Community Member

            Yes, I too believe it should have worked fine, there is a workaround like you said but if I want to alter every instance of the loop then I will have to permenantly mute or delete in Edit then make a copy of the hi-hat and paste it for the amount of times I need it in the timeline...a bit more time consuming but I will try the operation again and see what I come up with.  thanks for the quick response.

            • 3. Re: I Muted a kick drum and pasted over it with a hi-hat, now my sequence is out of time?
              Mark Branch Community Member

              Thanks again to Steve.

               

              With his declaring that it should have worked, I gave it another go!

               

              Happy Camper!

               

              WAIT, there is a crucial step here for others attempting this that you have to do, and it doesn't quite make sense to me, but this is the case:

               

              To make it work properly, have the selections the exact same length, now, before you paste the note over the muted section, make sure that you have selected the section between the markers, AND THEN PASTE. (the markers is how you determine if the amount to be pasted is the same length as the amount that was deleted).

               

              What I must have inadvertently done, is selected the area between the markers (by double clicking them) BUT then before pasting I must have hit the left arrow, which then placed the cursor at the first (red) marker of the marker range (the 2nd marker in a marker range is blue, first one is red) now, when you paste with no selection and the cursor sitting exacty on top of the first (red) marker in a range, the wave changes lengths, it gets longer...BUT when you select the area within the marker range and then paste, it pastes seemlessly and the file is still the exact same length as long as both marker ranges are the exact same length (I'm assuming the marker ranges would have to be the exact same length because I haven't tried with the ranges being different lengths yet but I would assume, right?)

               

              In any event, saved myself alot of headaches and thank you Steve for letting me know it should have worked giving me the ambition to try it again and succeed.

               

              I guess it's setup that way on purpose so if you want to extend the file by pasting more audio you do it that way, and if you want the file to remain the same size you do it the way I described.  Because if you do it the other way the file is extended by the exact same amount as the pasted section.

               

              I don't believe this is described anywhere in the manual, but it's very useful to know.

              • 4. Re: I Muted a kick drum and pasted over it with a hi-hat, now my sequence is out of time?
                Mark Branch Community Member

                Well, I just thought about what happened the last time, before I got it to work this time, and I realized that it actually SHORTENED the length of the file in my previous attempt...so I'm not at all sure how I managed that, but my above post is still accurate save for my attempt at re-enacting what went wrong the last time...I must have done something different when pasting, or else it was a "temporary" bug?

                 

                In any event I'm still a happy camper, BUT

                 

                How could one possibly make the file shorter by pasting on top of a muted section?  Is that even possible? Does anyone know the method?