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    Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards

    Curt Wrigley Community Member

      Adobe is working on a playback and rendering engine for Adobe Premiere Pro called the Mercury Playback Engine. This new engine is NVIDIA® GPU-accelerated, 64-bit native, and architected for the future. Native 64-bit support enables you to work more fluidly on HD and higher resolution projects, and GPU acceleration speeds effects processing and rendering.

       

      The Mercury Playback Engine offers these benefits:

       

      • Open projects faster, refine effects-rich HD and higher resolution sequences in real time, enjoy smooth scrubbing, and play back complex projects without rendering.
      • See results instantly when applying multiple color corrections and effects across many video layers.
      • Work in real time on complex timelines and long-form projects with thousands of clips — whether your project is SD, HD, 2K, 4K, or beyond.

       

      Ensure your system is ready to take advantage of the Mercury Playback Engine in a future version of Adobe Premiere Pro. The Mercury Playback Engine works hand-in-hand with NVIDIA® CUDA™ technology to give you amazingly fluid, real-time performance. See it in action

       

       

      * PR CS5 supports the following list of CUDA cards:

       

       

      285.jpgGeForce GTX 285Windows and MAC
      3800.jpgQuadro FX 3800Windows
      4800.jpgQuadro FX 4800Windows and MAC
      5800.jpgQuadro FX 5800Windows
      quadrocx.jpgQuadro CXWindows

       

       

       

      More hardware details:

       

      http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/systemreqs/

        • 1. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
          cts51911 Community Member

          "Certfied" Cuda cards...What does this mean?

           

          The list of Cuda compatible cards is long.

           

          What about the GTX 250, 260, 280 models?  These models are very close in terms of specs to the GTX 285.

           

          Can the list be that rigid?  I hope not.  The GTX 260 can be had for $160.

           

          The other side of the spectrum is the GTX 470 and 480.  The GTX 470 is at the same price range as the GTX 285.

           

          Someone!.....HHHHEEELLLPPP!  

          • 2. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
            Harm Millaard Community Member

            It is that rigid. Only certified cards are capable of enabling MPE hardware rendering. All other cards are not supported AFAIK.

            • 3. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
              DJF0612

              So as someone who has an NVIDA GeForce GT220 - does this mean that I will not be able to run Premiere CS5 at all? Or is there another playback option for those of us who can't splash out even more money on a new graphics card?

              • 4. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                cts51911 Community Member

                It will work...You just can't take advantage of the Mercury accelaration.

                • 5. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                  DJF0612 Community Member

                  Thanks, I guess that's some consolation for us still in the stone age

                  • 6. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                    cts51911 Community Member

                    The bigger question is why the GTX 285 verus GTX 470 or 480 at launch considering the similar price point?

                     

                    Nvidia would have gotten a huge boost in Fermi sales and Adobe would have gotten a lot more performance/$$$ ratio on the low end.

                     

                    I know...The Fermi cards just came out but I'm sure they had access many months ago.

                    • 7. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                      Curt Wrigley Community Member

                      To clarify a a bit more; the Mercury Playback Engine (MPE) is a combination of SW and GPU.  So, even if you dont have a supported graphics card you will see improved performance.  The compatible cuda card adds significant improvement on top of that.

                      • 8. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                        Harm Millaard Community Member

                        In addition to what Curt mentioned, you have to realize that a development cycle for a new version takes around 17 months (+1 if you take the vacation time into account, but the whole devlopment team deserves that, I think). The Fermi cards were only announced a couple of weeks ago, so what time did Adobe have to test them? They have announced that support for the GTX-480 Fermi card will be available in Q3. Whether further cards will be supported is 'under investigation', so the future will tell.

                        • 9. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                          matlock0009

                          It stands to reason that if CUDA architecture is supported in CS5, that all CUDA enabled GPU's should be able to take advantage of Mercury to one level or another.  The only difference between the GTX 285 and ALL the other CUDA enabled cards (as it relates to CUDA) are the amount of processing cores...that's it.  I have a GTS 250 and it works splendidly with Cyberlink Espresso, a CUDA enabled transcoding program.  So, the results are great with a program that can take advantage of my card.  I just don't understand why Adobe can't write software that's takes advantage of cross-GPU architecture, and only supports one of the many cards that have the SAME architecture.  I was looking forward to upgrading my PRE8 to Premiere PRo CS5, but I don't think I want to upgrade my already powerful GPU for one program.

                          • 10. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                            Harm Millaard Community Member

                            AFAIK only certified nVidia cards allow hardware acceleration to be turned on. It is disabled on non-certified cards. However, all video cards can use the software MPE, which results in significant performance gains, just not as much as with a certified card.

                            • 11. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                              Curt Wrigley Community Member

                              That is your reasoning.   It is clearly not ADOBE'S reasoning and I suspect they know a bit more about the technology challanges involved to make this work well.

                              • 12. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                cts51911 Community Member

                                I wish someone from Adobe would chime in on this topic.

                                 

                                It boils down to "unofficial support" with any Cuda compatible card...YES or NO.

                                 

                                I don't think anyone of us know that answer.

                                 

                                Since I have a GTX 260, which is very close in specs to the 285, I'm wondering  what the net effect is if any.

                                 

                                This may take a few months to hash out.  In the mean time, I'm not making any moves.

                                • 13. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                  Harm Millaard Community Member

                                  As Curt said, there are ''Supported" cards, that allow hardware MPE support. If the card is not "supported", there is no support for hardware MPE rendering at MRQ. This may change in the future, but that is where it stands now.

                                  • 14. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                    stevelyles Community Member

                                    Did I just make a MAJOR blunder in ordering a GygabiteGTX 295 video card figuring that the extra processing power would give an "edge" with MPE

                                    this card is non-returnable to Newegg.....please say this isnt so........and why didnt I read the small print before ordering!

                                    steve

                                    • 15. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                      Moxtelling Community Member

                                      Hi

                                       

                                      I agree....also having the GTX260. It looks as if Nvidia and Adobe has made some kind of agreement, so one have to buy an expensive new Nvidia card to get the new mercury engine to run properly in Ppro CS5. I write this because I have read that fx. the GTX 260 is allmost similar to the Quadro CX - same chips etc. - but we can not expect either Adobe or Nvidia to give us customers presents - like making the mercury engine available to all CUDA enabled Nvidia cards....that does not make business - only happy customers....

                                       

                                      But I can not wait for Adobe to support GTX260 in CS5. I need better performance right now editing AVCHD quicker and more smooth. Have had tons of issues the last year trying to get things running just reasonable with PPro CS4. I have i7 920 with 2 x SATA 1 TB disks and 12 GB RAM, Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and GTX 260 and in CS4 I can only preview AVCHD files without any kind of effects or tranisitions. Just a simple transition and PPro starts having problems playing back properly. CS4 crashes from time to time - not seriously - but it have to think a lot about almost everything some times....But there are no alternatives to Ppro unless you will spend a lot more money.

                                       

                                      So I get stucked to PPro - and actually looks a bit forward to see what PPro CS5 can do...hope my AVCHD editting will be less frustrating. But it will certainly cost me some money and make Adobe and NVidia more happy than my bankaccount.

                                       

                                      Anyway - what I am interested in knowing is how much difference are there between the cards supported when it comes to performance etc.? Is the Quadro CX worth buying instead of the Quadro FX3800? Or what about the FX4800? Is it so much better than the FX3800? I need more specific details and tests of how things works with these supported cards. It makes no sense that Adobe just writes that these cards are supported - we nedd to know how they perform too.

                                      I can only see the technical details about the cards - but there are no information anywhere about how the cards perform compared to each other - when it comes to playback, rendering speed etc. in PPro CS5?

                                       

                                      Adobe and Nvidia must have done some tests? Everytime we see how great the new Mercury engine works it is showed on a high class system with Quadro CX. But what if we showed the same work on a medium class system - say i7 920 with 8-12 GB ram and a GTX 285? Or is it not worth showing anyone - does it perform better or worse or is it almost the same? No one knows....only Adobe and Nvidia. But they won´t tell?

                                       

                                      Are there any BETA-tester out there who have had the oppertunity to try things out with different cards?

                                       

                                      I am honestly being quite tired of upgrading all the time...spended 4000$ on a new system last year - this year have to spend the same - just on CS5 upgrade and a new videocard....boy, am I a happy customer?

                                       

                                       

                                      ;-)
                                      Morten

                                      Denmark

                                      • 16. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                        cts51911 Community Member

                                        OH NO!

                                         

                                        The 2 GPU GTX 295 is not listed...Only the GTX 285.

                                         

                                        When did you buy the card?  Did you open it?  If not, I'd try to return.

                                        • 17. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                          John T Smith MVP

                                          He said... "this card is non-returnable to Newegg"

                                          • 18. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                            Harm Millaard Community Member

                                            Morten,

                                             

                                            Just a little patience and tests will soon appear. Next month the final version will be available and test results will be published soon after. It makes no sense to publish test results based on beta builds.

                                             

                                            Bill and I are already at work on the new PPBM5 benchmark, but have some patience. We can't test the validity of the test till we get our hands on the released product. Maybe the test will include actual footage (AVCHD, HDV, XDCAM-EX, Canon 7D and RED) and add a H.264 encode test as well, but it will be some time before it is available. Meanwhile watch for AnandTech, Tom's and similar sites to give you initial results.

                                            • 19. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                              shooternz Community Member

                                              My little dilemma is...

                                               

                                              I am currently having a 64 bit machine built (for CS5)

                                               

                                              Quadro FX4800 is very expensive down here in New Zealand.

                                               

                                              My business partner is going to be in the U.S late this week and I have found a PNY QuadroFX4800 at a much better price near where she is going.

                                               

                                              I think I will take a leap of faith (in ADOBE and NVIDIA)  and get her to buy it NOW.

                                               

                                              I was going to hold off on the Quadro and use a 285 card I have lying around but.......

                                               

                                               

                                              Someone make the call for me will ya guys..... 

                                               

                                               

                                              BTW: I am not going to see the CS5 software for at least two months from now but I am going to sort the new machine properly  in anticipation of it.

                                              • 20. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                Rumor has it that the Fermi cards leave the FX4800 in the dust at nearly a third of the price, but MPE support will only come in Q3. Personally I would wait a bit and see test results first.

                                                • 21. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                  rawatts

                                                  I was hoping that Nvidia's release of GeForce GTX 480 on the same day meant something.

                                                  • 22. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                    hpmoon Community Member

                                                    Thanks but we're still confused.  For anyone to appropriate the "CUDA" tradename as Mercury does, there is the inherent implication that the engine will make use of the CUDA GPU architecture as it scales from the high-end to the low-end of the nVidia product line.  It would only be a predatory, anti-competitive behavior for nVidia and Adobe to collude with an agreement to specify which CUDA graphic card models "flick on" for Mercury, rather than to open up Mercury's GPU capabilities in accordance with the open-ended CUDA spec (e.g., the use of TMPGEnc Xpress and vReveal engages GPU acceleration for any CUDA model number).

                                                     

                                                    Bottom line, nothing (including this thread) has answered to anyone's satisfaction the question of whether all CUDA-compatible nVidia GPU model numbers, OTHER THAN those few listed, have been "flicked off" from Mercury's playback engine to tap in for acceleration.  I am shocked to find this reality all-around so close to the release date, barring of course the collusion that I suspect.

                                                    • 23. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                      Jeff Bellune ACP

                                                      nothing (including this thread) has answered to anyone's satisfaction the question of whether all CUDA-compatible nVidia GPU model numbers, OTHER THAN those few listed, have been "flicked off" from Mercury's playback engine to tap in for acceleration

                                                      The question has been answered.  The reality is that you don't like the answer.  Current cards that support CUDA acceleration in Premiere Pro CS5 are:

                                                       

                                                      --Begin List--

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      --End of list--

                                                      • 24. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                        shooternz Community Member

                                                        At the end of the day...I just want something that works as advertised and

                                                        the cost is not too big a deal.  Like one edit, easily pays for the stoopid card.

                                                         

                                                        Thats the way I am looking at it and  I even think the "wow" factor this will have with my clients will be a business builder for me.

                                                         

                                                        CS5 is a bigger investment than previously (new hardware, software and OS) but this is a breakthrough and it just needs to be done in my circumstance.  I consider it to be well worth while for the money the NLE Suites generate from such  relatively small $$$ compared to yesteryear.

                                                        • 25. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                          cts51911 Community Member

                                                          I'm returning the GTX 260 I purchased.  Not even going to buy a 285 or wish for a quadro.

                                                           

                                                          Can't wait for those reviews to come rolling in.

                                                          • 26. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                            hpmoon Community Member

                                                            Jeff Bellune wrote:

                                                             

                                                            nothing (including this thread) has answered to anyone's satisfaction the question of whether all CUDA-compatible nVidia GPU model numbers, OTHER THAN those few listed, have been "flicked off" from Mercury's playback engine to tap in for acceleration

                                                            The question has been answered.  The reality is that you don't like the answer.  Current cards that support CUDA acceleration in Premiere Pro CS5 are:

                                                             

                                                            --Begin List--

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            --End of list--

                                                            What a typically arrogant answer.  Sort of like answering the question, "Will my Ferrari run on standard unleaded gasoline," and answering, "Ferraris are supported to run on premium unleaded gasoline," while consequently mocking the question.  Thanks for nothing.

                                                             

                                                            Anyone else, without an M.B.A.-style aversion tactic?  The specific question is whether GPU model numbers, even those that, e.g., exceed or approach the GTX 285 by a margin of near-insignificance, are functionally ignored for GPU acceleration by the Mercury playback engine, even though the operative word is CUDA which is a scalable architecture.  Again, the examples:  TMPGEnc and vReveal engage any nVidia card with the CUDA architecture to use GPU processing for acceleration of rendering.

                                                             

                                                            If the answer is yes, Adobe has a minor scandal on its hands.  And instead of spitting back arrogant answers, be prepared for the "blogosphere" to erupt with courtroom-style impeachment:  "What were you thinking?"

                                                            • 27. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                              cts51911 Community Member

                                                              ""What a typically arrogant answer.  Sort of like answering the question,  "Will my Ferrari run on standard unleaded gasoline," and answering,  "Ferraris are supported to run on premium unleaded gasoline," while  consequently mocking the question.  Thanks for nothing.""

                                                               

                                                              Well put.

                                                               

                                                              I've gotten the same smug answers here before.  If you lack the credentials here (<2,000 posts), there isn't much room for discussion.  We are crashing their exclusive club.

                                                               

                                                              Fact, CS5 is going to give wannabe fimakers (me) some amazing tools.

                                                               

                                                              First HD DSLR...Now real-time NLE...Amazing!

                                                               

                                                              Imagine the crap you'll see in HD!  HAHA

                                                              • 28. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                Stan Jones MVP

                                                                I know I missed something; I'm not going to pay  much attention to this whole thinkg till the reviews are in.  My CS3 is working well enough...

                                                                The specific question is whether GPU model numbers, even those that, e.g., exceed or approach the GTX 285 by a margin of near-insignificance, are functionally ignored for GPU acceleration by the Mercury playback engine, even though the operative word is CUDA which is a scalable architecture.

                                                                When Dennis (or Wil?) was talking about this early on, I did not get the idea that they were turning the functionality on or off, but that they would only certify cards that they had tested.  Can someone point me to the place where they said that cards that functionally would work won't be allowed to?

                                                                 

                                                                Also, isn't part of the issue that it is not just CUDA, but additional functionality that is being provided?

                                                                • 29. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                  hpmoon Community Member

                                                                  Stan Jones wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  I know I missed something; I'm not going to pay  much attention to this whole thinkg till the reviews are in.  My CS3 is working well enough...

                                                                  The specific question is whether GPU model numbers, even those that, e.g., exceed or approach the GTX 285 by a margin of near-insignificance, are functionally ignored for GPU acceleration by the Mercury playback engine, even though the operative word is CUDA which is a scalable architecture.

                                                                  When Dennis (or Wil?) was talking about this early on, I did not get the idea that they were turning the functionality on or off, but that they would only certify cards that they had tested.  Can someone point me to the place where they said that cards that functionally would work won't be allowed to?

                                                                   

                                                                  Also, isn't part of the issue that it is not just CUDA, but additional functionality that is being provided?

                                                                  Further evidence that Adobe have created a P.R. train wreck; they (and their so-called "evangelists") are emphasizing the rote talking point that the Mercury Playback Engine speeds things up generally with respect to the CPU, in response to specific queries about whether the engine taps into the CUDA acceleration capabilities of the nVidia product line.  So far they are purposefully silent (as well as failing to explain why).  Until someone steps up, this is a joke (or a predatory marketing strategy involving collusion between Adobe and nVidia to stimulate hardware sales).

                                                                  • 30. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                    Jeff Bellune ACP

                                                                    If the answer is yes

                                                                     

                                                                    The answer is yes.  You won't be able to turn on GPU acceleration for any unsupported card.  The MPE will stay in software rendering mode if the installed card is unsupported.

                                                                     

                                                                    As for the question, "What were you thinking?", you'll have to ask the engineering team to get the real answer.  There are logical arguments to be made on either side of the issue.

                                                                     

                                                                    -Jeff

                                                                    • 31. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                      hpmoon Community Member

                                                                      Jeff Bellune wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      If the answer is yes

                                                                       

                                                                      The answer is yes.  You won't be able to turn on GPU acceleration for any unsupported card.  The MPE will stay in software rendering mode if the installed card is unsupported.

                                                                       

                                                                      As for the question, "What were you thinking?", you'll have to ask the engineering team to get the real answer.  There are logical arguments to be made on either side of the issue.

                                                                       

                                                                      -Jeff

                                                                      How clever to stay strategically vague in the face of a bizarre outcome; you want to stay on Adobe's "good side" for some reason.  Yet it is exceedingly strange and nakedly dumbed-down for Adobe to "tick-on" GPU acceleration for the GTX 285, but "tick-off" GPU acceleration for the only slightly better-performing GTX 295 (and notably, these cards and many others share the scalable CUDA architecture in common).  I doubt that you or anyone else could fathom more of a "logical argument to be made on either side of the issue," than the stimulus this will create for a sudden increase in sales of specific nVidia GPUs - even with the absurd result of a GTX 295 owner tossing that GPU to downgrade to a GTX 285, merely to fit within Adobe's bizarre marketing strategy.

                                                                       

                                                                      Start looking for this scandal on the tech blogs as CS5 launches, and if you do have a direct line to Adobe, it would be a big favor for them if you suggest they line up damage control.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                        canuscanus

                                                                        I side with those who are a bit put out by the limited support of CUDA cards.  Many models with very similar components and specs to the 285 have been available for a long time, yet aren't supported.  And there is no explanation from Adobe about their rationale, or their plans to support more cards in particular product lines.  I was very excited to hand over my money for the upgrade immediately until this issue of not getting (great?) acceleration from "generic CUDA" cards surfaced.  Sadly - for Adobe and me - I think I have to wait several months before giving them my money.  Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the message during release, but I think they've achieved the exact opposite.

                                                                        • 33. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                          Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                                          Apart from the pressure from nVidia and the time constraints, the overriding concern was and is STABILITY. Every card certified must meet Adobe's stability tests.

                                                                           

                                                                          If there has not been sufficient time to test other cards extensively to guarantee stability, they are not certified and thus not enabled. This is further complicated by all the driver changes that nVidia performs, which can cause instability with new driver versions.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                            Ed Edited It Productions Community Member

                                                                            To date, we have been a big supporter of Adobe products, and I am looking forward to CS5. I'm planning on investing in new "stable" workstations, and looking forward to the MPE and everything such a solution offers. But, here are my questions:

                                                                             

                                                                            1) The list of graphics cards that are supported with the inital CS5 release is clear. Thank you. But what is not clear is what additional existing cards (available today) will be supported in the future. If you're telling me "this is it forever until CS6", then I can go buy one of these cards based on what I can afford, and call it a day, and get the stability I require. But if you're suggesting to me that an existing cheaper alternative card available today *might* be supported in Q3 or Q4 after a patch or free software upgrade, then I'm going to feel ripped-off investing in something I might not really need.

                                                                             

                                                                            2) I understand that it will take some time to release performance data based on supported cards. What I need to know is a timeframe. Like most businesses, I have to budget for hardware and software purchases, and I have limited windows in a fiscal timeframe to do so. I've heard "it's coming", then "it's here", and now it's "wait for the performance data". At some point I either have to make an Adobe purchase, or jump ship to a platform/hardware solution that just works TODAY. Otherwise, I'll continue to loose business as my legacy machines get outdated.

                                                                             

                                                                            3) Let's assume I buy CS5 with a supported CUDA card. Does that give me some sort of warranty that I wouldn't get without a supported card? I hear about "stability" - are you guarantying this will work without crashing? Every editor wants maximum stability. If Adobe could point to a few machine configurations that could guarantee levels of featureset stability (relatively speaking) based on hardware investment, I would buy into one of them in a hearbeat.  I'm tired of software companies blaming hardware cards, computer configurations, and vise-versa. At the end of the day, it either works or it doesn't. My business can't be sustainable if I invest in something - then I have to wait for version CS5.1 (release date TBD) in order for things to work, ESPECIALLY if I've bought into the NVidida-Adobe 'supported' solution from the onset.  I would appreciate clarifcation on what "support" for "supported cards" really means.

                                                                             

                                                                            I appreciate Adobe's continuing efforts to share what they can with us through these forums and other avenues. I hope everyone understands that under these economic times though, individuals and business are tight with the purse strings, and are willing to wait and pay for quality and stability, given the results are what is promised. Thanks again!

                                                                            • 35. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                              Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                                              Ed,

                                                                               

                                                                              Welcome to the forums.

                                                                               

                                                                              You have to realize that these forums are USER-to-USER FORUMS and Adobe presence here is limited, specially with NAB.

                                                                               

                                                                              99.9% of what you read here are users posting, not Adobe.

                                                                               

                                                                              The points you raise are valid, but the only one that can give you hard, tangible answers is Adobe. I suggest you contact Customer Service and try to get an answer from them. But realize that when developing programs or support for hardware, there are many intangibles in the development cycle, that may disrupt the intended RTM (release-to-market) date. Just consider the nVidia Fermi cards, the GTX-480/470 cards, which were intended to be released in November 2009, but only appeared in April 2010. Had nVidia met their deadline as announced last November, chances are that it would be included now in CS5 as a certified card, but nVidia missed their RTM date by 5 months. You can hardly blame Adobe for that delay, but of course it has repercussions on their own delivery of supporting the Fermi cards.

                                                                              • 36. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                                David Zeno Community Member

                                                                                I wonder what the least expensive card costs that would support Mercury in CS5.  Anyone have a rough guess ?

                                                                                 

                                                                                seems like it is going to cost a bundle.  Ouch.  I'm guessing $300 isn't going to somebody a certified card.

                                                                                • 37. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                                  Harm Millaard Community Member

                                                                                  David,

                                                                                   

                                                                                  You have to make a distinction between software and hardware support of MPE. Only certified cards support hardware rendering. All other cards use MPE as well but only in software mode and do not use the MRQ and maximum bit-depth settings that certified cards do.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  The least costly one is the GTX-285.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                                    cts51911 Community Member

                                                                                    I saw a workflow video on  the lowest end 13" Mac laptop/Core 2 and the the performance increase in "software only" is significant.  The preview looked much, much smoother than what I see in CS4 with an i7 PC.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Looks like we'll all benefit from 64-bit and Mercury.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Pr CS5 - List of supported CUDA Cards
                                                                                      hpmoon Community Member

                                                                                      Harm Millaard wrote:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Ed,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Welcome to the forums.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      You have to realize that these forums are USER-to-USER FORUMS and Adobe presence here is limited, specially with NAB.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      99.9% of what you read here are users posting, not Adobe.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      The points you raise are valid, but the only one that can give you hard, tangible answers is Adobe. I suggest you contact Customer Service and try to get an answer from them. But realize that when developing programs or support for hardware, there are many intangibles in the development cycle, that may disrupt the intended RTM (release-to-market) date. Just consider the nVidia Fermi cards, the GTX-480/470 cards, which were intended to be released in November 2009, but only appeared in April 2010. Had nVidia met their deadline as announced last November, chances are that it would be included now in CS5 as a certified card, but nVidia missed their RTM date by 5 months. You can hardly blame Adobe for that delay, but of course it has repercussions on their own delivery of supporting the Fermi cards.

                                                                                      Harm, surely you do more harm than good by following in the steps of Adobe's "evangelists" who deflect the tough questions by playing into their wild cards, saying that the lack of time, resources or whatever to "test" the wide nVidia CUDA-compatible product line justifies disabling Mercury GPU acceleration completely despite the fact that CUDA is a standard, and scalable, and adjacent models in the product line such as the 285 and 295 are only marginally different.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      You also tout the fact that the information here are from "mere users."  What exactly are you, other than a very very active participant with over 10,000 posts?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      cts51911 wrote:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I saw a workflow video on  the lowest end 13" Mac laptop/Core 2 and the the performance increase in "software only" is significant.  The preview looked much, much smoother than what I see in CS4 with an i7 PC.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Looks like we'll all benefit from 64-bit and Mercury.

                                                                                      This logic means nothing to the issue.  It's like saying, I'm paralyzed and some researchers found a way to get one of my legs working!

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