13 Replies Latest reply on May 12, 2010 9:11 AM by ECBowen

    Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s

    Scott Chichelli Level 3

      more fun!

      Red R3D material

      980X at 4.0GHz

      12GB Redline at 1600 CL 6

      Intel SAS 600 Controller

      4 WD 1Tb Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drives in 2 Raid 0 arrays

      Video material - Red R3D 4K 24P 30 seconds long for each layer

      Export Codec - DPX 4096 x 2048 24P Full Range (Max Bit Depth)

      4 Effects per Layer - Fast Color Corrector, Brightness & Contrast, Video Limiter, Sharpen

      Each Layer Scaled to 50% for 4 frame PinP view.

       

      285 GTX

      3 Layer - 18:28

      4 Layer - 29:04 + 18 minutes for rendering the 4th layer of effects.

       

      980X at 3.33GHz

      285 GTX

      3 Layer - 23:27

      4 Layer - 33:54 + 21 minutes to render the 4th layer.

       

      980X at 3.33GHz

      4 Drive Raid 0

      285 GTX

      3 Layer - 23:07

      4 Layer - 33:34

       

      980X at 3.33GHz

      4 Drive Raid 0

      Quadro CX

      3 Layer - 23:58

      4 Layer - 25:54

       

      980X at 4.0GHz

      4 Drive Raid 0

      Quadro CX

      3 Layer - 21:02

      4 Layer - 22:31

       

      980X at 4.0GHz

      4 Drive Raid 0

      480GTX

      3 Layer - 18:38

      4 Layer - 28:08 + 18 minutes to Render

       

      980X at 4.0GHz

      4 Drive Raid 0

      480GTX

      Video material - AVCHD 1080P 24 Frame Each Cut to 30 minutes of material

      Export Codec - H264 HDTV 1080P 24 Preset Default

      3 Layer - 34:39

      4 Layer - 46:24

       

      Dual Xeon X5660 CPU's at 2.8GHz

      24 GB DDR3 1600 Blackline at 1066

      4 Seagate 1Tb Sata 32Meg Cache 300 Drives in 2 Raid 0 arrays

      Video material - AVCHD 1080P 24 Frame Each Cut to 30 minutes of material

      Export Codec - H264 HDTV 1080P 24 Preset Default

      285 GTX

      3 Layer - 47:19

      4 Layer - 54:55 + 54 minutes rendering from the 4th Layer of effects.

       

      Video material - Red R3D 4K 24P 30 seconds long for each layer

      Export Codec - DPX 4096 x 2048 24P Full Range (Max Bit Depth)

      3 Layer - 24:28

      4 Layer - 34:45 + 19 minutes rendering from the 4th Layer of effects.

       

      Scott

      ADK

        • 1. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
          cts51911 Level 1

          So the 3 layer GTX 480 is the fastest?  Not sure I'm reading the info. right.

           

          480GTX

          3 Layer - 18:38

          vs.

          Quadro CX

          3  Layer - 21:02

           

          With this configuration?

          980X at 4.0GHz

          4 Drive Raid 0

           

          Thanks for the info!

          • 2. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
            Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            Scott,

             

            I have a question, did you have to do anything special to get the GTX 480 working?

             

            Fermi is paying off!

            • 3. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
              cts51911 Level 1

              Bill Gehrke wrote:

               

              Scott,

               

              I have a question, did you have to do anything special to get the GTX 480 working?

               

              Fermi is paying off!

               

               

              Bill,

               

              See the link below.

               

              http://forums.adobe.com/thread/632143?tstart=0

               

              GTX 470 works too along with other Cuda 3.0 cards with about 775 megs of ram...Even mobile cards.  Most of the 200 series cards with enough memory "seem" to work.  The jury is still out.

               

              Chris

              • 4. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                Scott Chichelli Level 3

                correct

                however the 285 with 2 sets 2 drive 0 was 18:28 and dont forget without a quadro if you go past 3 layer you have to render all first which adds a good amount of time.

                 

                there are some comments that need added for playback. i should probably let Eric do that.

                 

                right now for Red4K it looks like playback is better on the Xeons but render times are slightly faster on the 980x

                 

                Scott

                ADK

                • 5. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                  Chuck A. McIntyre Level 3

                  Scott Wrote:

                   

                  "however the 285 with 2 sets 2 drive 0 was 18:28 and dont forget without a quadro if you go past 3 layer you have to render all first which adds a good amount of time."

                   

                  You are referring specifically to Red4K related to the 3 layer 285 GTX limitation?

                  • 6. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                    Scott Chichelli Level 3

                    correct! past 3 layers with the 285/480 forces you to render all lyers not just the ones past 3 thus adding a decent amount of time to your render/encode.

                     

                    for many the 285/480 is all you need, but for those who do more than 3 layer and time is money i hate to say it but the Quadros are recommneded.

                    the $ will be made up in time saved very quickly.

                     

                    unless some clever guys figures out how to get past it.

                     

                    Scott

                    ADK

                    • 7. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                      ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                      The 480GTX performed about the same as the 285GTX for 3 layers and better for the 4 Layer. I did see the effects render issue in my playback though so I would definitely wait for the Fermi update before you make the jump. The 3 layer export and playback really didn't push either GPU that hard though overclocking the CPU did finally raise the GPU usage up to around 50% on the 480GTX. That means there is allot of idle time for the GPU depending on how many effects per layer. This was with 5 effects per layer if you count the 50% scaling to each video clip.

                       

                      The R3D material handled much better in CS5 with playback but still is limited to 1/4 scale playback for more than 2 layers with effects even on the Dual Xeon 5660's. The CPU load on the Xeons rarely hit 100% on 1/2 scale playback and fluctuated around 50%. The 980X pegged and stayed at 100% most of the time trying to playback 1/2. If you rendered out the effects though,  you could play all 4 layers at full scale without any issue. Also the CPU usage stayed at 25% or lower and the GPU usage fluctuated around 8%. What that means is you will likely be rendering your R3D allot to play it back full or half scale so the Quadro is really a waste there unless you don't mind 1/4 scale playback.

                       

                      On AVCHD material the Dual Xeons 5660's took longer to export but had allot more overhead room to add layers with effects with the 285GTX layer limitation and play them back realtime. Since AVCHD is one of the highest compression codecs, you will see a significant performance gain with the other predominant codecs if you edit more  than 3 layers often with effects. The trade off is just slower export times than the 980X running at 4GHz. If you need faster render/export times and you often edit 3 to 4 layers or lower, then the 980X is the way to go. Please let me know if you have any questions.

                      • 8. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                        cts51911 Level 1

                        @ECbowen

                         

                        Can you elaborate on the "effects render issue in my playback" you saw.

                        • 9. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                          ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                          There was a strong yellow in playback almost like watching an old movie or adding an old movie effect. I would say it was the brightness and contrast effect that did not render right.

                          • 10. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                            techflow2010

                            Hi. Thanks for these helpfull test

                             

                            What I would like to see is a test with 5D MK II or 7D video files.

                            Basically render time with and without GTX 285

                             

                            Most helpfull would be if lenght of the rendered end result would be one of the folowing:

                            1 minute , 10 minutes or 30 seconds. so I can calculate the benefit from the card vs cpu rendering

                             

                            I'm trying to figure out the most cost efficient workflow.

                             

                             

                            Allso what would be interesting is comparing different rendering codecs.. how does the rendering speed get's boosted for the different codecs when using A GTX 285.

                             

                            something like this.

                            with GTX 285

                            1 minute render speed for WMV

                            1 minute render speed for (quicktime)

                            cpu only

                            1 minute render speed for WMV

                            1  minute render speed for (quicktime)

                            • 11. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                              ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                              I have been trying to get raw MK2 material but I havn't been able to yet. If someone has some material on an FTP site I can download, please let me know.

                              • 12. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                                techflow2010 Level 1

                                7D material.


                                there is a file with these setails:

                                1/4,000 sec Manual Exposure
                                (10.9 seconds, 60.9 MB)

                                 

                                http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DVIDEO.HTM

                                 

                                7D*s video is comparable to 5D MK II's .  That is the closest clip i found with my quick check that is close to 10 seconds.

                                 

                                AND

                                 

                                There are raw video in the Dpreview's test of the cameras.

                                 

                                7D here  (8 second clip at the bottom)

                                http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos7d/page19.asp

                                 

                                5D here (12 seconds at the bottom)

                                http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5dmarkii/page19.asp

                                 

                                If the use is non comercial I usume they wont mind.

                                • 13. Re: Red 4K to DPX Benchmarks More Quadro #s
                                  ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                                  Excellent, I will contact them and see if they mind us using their material for performance benchmarks.

                                   

                                  BTW Please reference our benchmark page for easier viewing now since it's up.

                                   

                                  http://www.adkvideoediting.com/benchmarks.asp