Welcome to the forum.
First, take a look at this ARTICLE for some possibilities on Memory/Resource issues.
This ARTICLE will give you tips on turning up your computer and getting it ready for an editing session.
Last, please let us know a bit more about your Project and your Assets. This ARTICLE will give you tips on what info (and how to get it) would be useful.
Thanks for the links... In reading the articles you sent me and a few others, it sounds to me like rather than just one giant internal HD. A possible solution would be a second external drive connected via firewire...
Am I headed in the right direction?
If so, would I need to move just my Scratch Files to the second drive or my Page Files as well.
Thanks for your help!
I also went thru the article you suggested about providing all relevant info to help diagnose the problem and I believe everything is shown below.
If not - please let me know what else I need to provide.
Adobe Premiere Elements 8 with the 8.0.1 patch.
Dell Precision M4400
Intel Core 2 Extreme CPU Q9300 @
2.53 GHz 2.54 GHz
4.00 GB of RAM (3.49 GB usable)
Windows 7 Ultimate, 32 bit
(1) Momentus 7200.4 SATA 3Gb/s 500-GB Hard Drive
About 50 GB used
5356 MB on C:\
NVIDIA Quadro FX 770M
Driver Version 220.127.116.1140
IDT High Definition Audio CODEC
Driver Version 18.104.22.16874
Other programs running when problems happen:
Canon Vixia HF200
Timeline duration is about 20 minutes
I am using VT1 and AT1 with video and titles created in Premiere.
Problems occur when moving clips in project or trimming video.
Your video driver is old. Check Dell to see if there are any updates. If they don't you could try the Nvidia 'reference version for notebooks' at http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook_winvista_win7_197.16_whql.html
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As you read over the articles, look for references to running Processes and programs. Task Manager can provide you with a list, but you will most likely have to scroll to see them all. Process Explorer (linked in this "Tools" ARTICLE), will put that info in one place.
Also, gather the info on your Page File (Windows Virtual Memory). As you only have one HDD, it will be located on C:\, and the management and size can be important.
Ok, Here goes...
The Page file is on the C: drive...
The initial size is 5356 MB
The maximum size is 10000 MB.
Here is a list of the processes running just after startup:
CPU Usage: bouncing between 36-51%
Physical Memory: 41%
The first thing that I see is that you have 3x instances of MS iExplorer running. Is this by design?
I'll look down the list, and research some Processes, about which I have some questions.
More to come.
It is not by design - could it be that if I have more than one tab open in MS iExplorer, an instance will show for each tab?
That could well be the issue. Personally, when editing, I do not check e-mail, surf the net, or do anything that is not related to my editing, though that might entail having Photoshop, Illustrator, WordPerfect and PrPro open at the same time.
As I shut down all pop-up blockers, spysweepers, anti-virus, etc., I also do not wish to expose myself to the Internet with that machine, though I am behind a hardware firewall. I just go to the laptop for any Internet/e-mail work, while the workstation crunches away.
I need another cup of coffee, but am looking over the list.
And don't forget to render often!
If you're seeing a red line above the clips on your timeline, you need to render the timeline by pressing Enter. (The red lines will turn green.) This will greatly improve your performance and reduce memory issues.
If you're seeing lots of red lines and rendering is taking an unusually long time, the problem could be that you're using a non-standard video codec or photos that are oversized and the program is struggling to work with the media.
After reading your post about not using IExplorer or Outlook, I rebooted my machine and did not open either, but went straight into PE8... I was able to edit for about 20 miuntes and then received the same error message as before...
I render each time I add new clip or two so I can see the video smoothly. Unrendered - the video is jumpy and doesn't keep up with the audio so it is difficult to edit. After rendering a section of about 20 seconds, I slice down the rendered pieces to the way I like. Then I apply either a cross fade or a dip to black transition, re-render of needed and save. Then I move on.
The rendering does seem to take a long time given the short amount of video I render at once. How can I check to see if I have the appropriate video codecs on my machine?
Also when I add titles and render, they stay rendered for the current editting session, but if I exit the program and come back in later - the video remains rendered with the green line above - but the titles go back to having a red line above them. Is this supposed to happen?
Thanks for your help!!!
Well, that is progress, and shows that the instances of iExplorer might have been stealing resources, but something else is still at work.
Good luck, and I'm still looking,
Render time is predicated almost exclusively on your source footage, and on the power of your machine. As an example, I can Render a 1 hour Timeline, with a lot of Effects (excluding some like Three-way Color Correction, or Neat Video), using DV-AVI Type II files in about 5 mins. on my workstation w/ nothing else running. If one has AVCHD, H.264, WMV, MPEG-2, MOV (except for the Animation CODEC), then times go up and can go up astronomically.
Not sure about progress... I just went back into PE8 to try and continue and the program froze within a minute or two. I dropped a couple clips in and went to render and got a white screen on my preview monitor, along with the spinning circle for a mouse pointer...
Just received a new error from my machine. I was trying to save and I got new error... It says:
Project Save Error
An unkown error occurred while saving the
Select 'Save As' from the File menu to save
the project to a new location.
Did Save_As work?
It sounds like more things are going on with your computer. Have you gotten any file corruption in other programs? Have you had elements of the OS (maybe accessories) fail, or hang?
Also, have you done a recent malware/virus scan? I recommend doing this from Safe Mode.
Actually, by the time I got the error message saved to copy down - when I clicked ok - the project was back and not frozen at least long enough for me to do a regular save which worked.
I have had no problems with any other programs or part of my OS, and no malware or spyware. A scan of the machine turned up nothing.
Could the problem be:
1) I need a second, separate physical HDD?
2) I need a proper codec or path for PE8 to handle AVCHD video
I am still trying to get this squared away and I noticed this thread:
where the power of a laptop is discussed. I listed the specs of my laptop above in this thread - is my laptop powerful enough for AVCHD editting?
I have gotten to about 8 minutes on my timeline using clips of AVCHD video and titles made in Premiere Elements 8. The only transistions I am using are cross fade and dip to black - and I pretty much can't do anything more with the project. Each time I open it. I fix a title and go to move a clip of video and the program crashes. It seems almost as though it has reached a limit of some kids timeline or otherwise...
Any thoughts here?
For editing AVCHD, the general feeling is that a fast Quad-core is the absolute minimum CPU. Many feel that a fast i7, should be the minimum. This material is heavily compressed and to work with it, one needs major CPU power.
Some users have had good luck using Cineform to convert the AVCHD to the Cineform CODEC for smoother editing. There is also a "proxy" editing scheme listed in this ARTICLE.
If I was looking to build a rig for AVCHD, I would be looking at a top i7, or maybe dual Xeon CPU's.
Also, above you ask about multiple HDD's. I feel that a minimum of 3x SATA II's, or better, are the minimum, but many get by fine with a 2x I/O. With AVCHD, the I/O is less important, than the CPU, but for all other formats, the I/O is the main concern.
Again, if I was building a computer, this would be my minimum I/O:
C:\ very fast (not necessarily that large) for OS and Programs (and maybe the Page File)
D:\ very fast (not necessarily that large) for the Page File (testing would determine the placement, and whether this HDD was an improvement)
E:\ fast and large for Projects and Scratch Disks
F:\ fast and large for media (maybe in a RAID array)
G:\ fast and large for Export (maybe in a RAID array)
I know that is a lot of HDD's, but performance is optimized, and the workload is spread well.
For even more performance, one could add:
H:\ fast and large for Audio Assets (maybe in a RAID array)
If RAID was used, I would strongly recommend a dedicated controller card with on-board cache, rather than software, or MoBo hardware control.