10 Replies Latest reply on May 21, 2010 5:05 AM by Harm Millaard

    Please critique my build

    Out_With_Obama

      Thanks for all of the great advice on here.  I have a lot to learn. 

      Premiere Pro / After Effects User

      Please critique this setup.

       

      I bought the 980x.

      Everything else is on my to buy list.

      I don't edit more than 3 tracks of video very often.

       

      Can't I just buy a lower end video card such as the GTX 285 and be good for now?  I'm not interested in "the hack"

      Should I overclock?  If there is a gamble to it, I don't think I am interested.

      Do I have the proper cooling?  Will the video card need cooled too?

      SSD for OS and CS5 sounds like a good idea right?

      How should I backup my files?

      Thank you very much.

       

      -Intel Core i7  980X

      http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Extreme-3-33GHz-Processor-BX80613i7980X/dp/B003922WES/ref=sr_1 _1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1274137455&sr=1-1

      -EVGA GeForce  GTX480 1536 MB

      http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics-015-P3-1480-AR/dp/B003EEMFTS/ref=s r_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1274137035&sr=8-8

      -ASUS P6X58D  Premium - LGA 1366 - X58 - DDR3 - USB 3.0 SATA 6 Gb/s - ATX Motherboard

      http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=ASUS+ P6X58D+Premium+-+LGA+1366+-+X58+-+DDR3+-+USB+3.0+SATA+6+Gb%2Fs+-+ATX+Motherboard&x=0&y=0

       

      -Corsair  HX3X12G1600C9 XMS3 12 GB PC3-12800 1600Mhz 240-pin Triple Channel Core  i7 DDR3 Memory Kit

      http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=-Cors air+HX3X12G1600C9+XMS3+12+GB+PC3-12800+1600Mhz+240-pin+Triple+Channel+Core+i7+DDR3+Memory+ Kit&x=0&y=0

       

      -Corsair  CMPSU-750TX 750-Watt TX Series 80 Plus Certified Power Supply compatible  with Intel Core i7 and Core i5

      http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMPSU-750TX-750-Watt-Certified-compatible/dp/B000X2677A/ref= sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1274140138&sr=8-1-fkmr0

       

      -Western  Digital 2 TB Caviar Black SATA 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop  Hard Drive WD2001FASS

      http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Desktop-WD2001FASS/dp/B002MD05SA/ref=sr_1_13? ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1274138410&sr=1-13

       

      -Kingston  SSDNow V Series 64 GB SATA 3 GB/s 2.5- Inch Solid State Drive  SNV425-S2/64GB

      http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-SSDNow-Solid-SNV425-S2-64GB/dp/B00378KHUA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF 8&s=electronics&qid=1274139207&sr=8-1

       

      -LG  Electronics 10X Internal SATA Blu-ray Disc Rewriter WH10LS30 (Black)

      http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-Internal-Rewriter-WH10LS30/dp/B0037FQUMW/ref=sr_1_6?i e=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1274140472&sr=1-6

       

      -HP W2338H  23-Inch Widescreen Monitor (2)

      http://www.amazon.com/HP-W2338H-23-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B001UHOX28/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF 8&s=electronics&qid=1274138627&sr=1-1

       

      -Cooler Master  RC-922M-KKN1-GP HAF 922M ATX Mid Tower Case (Black)

      http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RC-922M-KKN1-GP-Tower-Black/dp/B0026FCI2U/ref=sr_1_1?i e=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1274137768&sr=1-1

      -Corsair  Cooling Hydro Series H50 All in One High-performance CPU Cooler CWCH50-1

      http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Cooling-Hydro-High-Performance-Cooler/dp/B002DW96OO/ref=sr_1 _fkmr2_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1274137895&sr=1-2-fkmr2

        • 1. Re: Please critique my build
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          Some great choices for a very fast machine, but...

           

          I know, I always have a but in my responses.

           

          Your PSU is not enough. 750 W is too low. Better consider something like 1000 W. Check here: eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Pro v2.5 and use 100% load with 30% capacitor aging, then add 15% to the calculated Wattage to be safe.

           

          Your disk setup is severly lacking. It is like you are putting a Porsche GTS-2 (620 HP) engine in a 35 year old Beetle. With a processor like that get at least 6 Samsung F3 disks in a good raid configuration, preferably a raid3 with an Areca ARC-1680-iX12 controller with 2 GB cache and  BBM. You can not use the Caviar Blacks in a raid because of the WDTLER Western Digital Time Limit Error Recovery "feature".

           

          Forget about a mid tower. Go for a BIG tower. Better cooling, easier to access, more expansion room, more flexibility.

           

          With this CPU there is no need to overclock for your purposes. You can always decide to try it out later.

           

          I'm not familiar with the cooling system of your choice. Your video card is actively cooled.

           

          SSD's are great for spending money at over 30 times the price of conventional disks, without any performance gain when editing. I would rather have a Velociraptor as a boot disk.

           

          Backups should be done to a NAS or external disk.

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          • 2. Re: Please critique my build
            Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

            What are you going to do with your SSD?  It is a little small to be used as the OS /applications drive in my opinion.  I have 52 GB on my Editing OS/Applications drive your 64 GB drive will format down to about 59 GB and is just is too small for that usage

             

            You say you are not going to overclock but you are getting a water cooling system, that just does not make sense to me.

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            • 3. Re: Please critique my build
              shooternz Level 6
              I don't edit more than 3 tracks of video very often.

               

               

              Three tracks of what and what do you do with it?

               

              Just wondering why you are building a "super computer"

              • 4. Re: Please critique my build
                Out_With_Obama Level 1

                Thanks guys.  I'm not trying to spend a bunch of money, I want to make sure my system will be good for sometime.

                What would be a better use of my funds?  What would you recommend?  I am still reading up on raid.  I'm still learning.  Thanks again.

                • 5. Re: Please critique my build
                  Chuck A. McIntyre Level 3

                  I second the full tower case.  I like the Corsair 1000 Watt power supplies.  It's interesting though, how business works these days.  For instance, a company that actually does the manufacturing of power supplies will let other companies re-brand their products.  A tech told me recently that several "major brand" power supplies actually have the same manufacturer.  They're just packaged, painted and labeled differently.

                   

                  I like the idea of a 980x, 12GB of Ram perhaps 24GB if the budget allows, a 285GTX, 64 bit Win7 with CS5 of course.  We have had an excellent experience with Gigabyte Ultra Durable motherboards.

                   

                  Sometimes the product ratings at Newegg are helpful.  I am somewhat skeptical of the motherboard ratings though.  For instance, some guys shoot "unpacking" videos and put them up on youtube.  I see a lot of videos up there where these guys are unpacking their motherboard placing their grubby static-ridden hands all over sensitive components.  I have always been very careful not to zap boards, etc.  I haven't had to return a motherboard, or for that matter any decent name-brand component and I have lost count of the computers I've built.

                  • 6. Big Tower
                    Out_With_Obama Level 1

                    Let's say I get a big tower and a gtx 480, would i need cooling or would it have enough airflow?

                    Thanks.

                    • 7. Re: Big Tower
                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                      Depends on the big tower. How many and how large are the fans that come with it?

                      • 8. Re: Please critique my build
                        Tayedrummer Level 1

                        I'm in the process of building a very similar system.  For a case I went with

                        LIAN-LI PC-B71B Black Aluminum (http://www.lian-li.com.tw/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=312&cl_index=1&sc_index=25& ss_index=61&g=dhttp://www.lian-li.com.tw/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=312&cl_index=1&sc_index=25& ss_index=61&g=acc)  Looks nice, lots of airflow, RAID HDD rack sits right behind the front intake fans so they're coooooool (said in Cartman voice), built in easy clean dust screens for the fans, USB, Firewire and SATA ports hidden on the top of case.

                         

                         

                        • 9. Re: Please critique my build
                          Tayedrummer Level 1
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                          Harm Millaard wrote:

                           

                          Some great choices for a very fast machine, but...

                           

                          I know, I always have a but in my responses.

                           

                          Your PSU is not enough. 750 W is too low. Better consider something like 1000 W. Check here: eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Pro v2.5 and use 100% load with 30% capacitor aging, then add 15% to the calculated Wattage to be safe.

                           

                          Your disk setup is severly lacking. It is like you are putting a Porsche GTS-2 (620 HP) engine in a 35 year old Beetle. With a processor like that get at least 6 Samsung F3 disks in a good raid configuration, preferably a raid3 with an Areca ARC-1680-iX12 controller with 2 GB cache and  BBM. You can not use the Caviar Blacks in a raid because of the WDTLER Western Digital Time Limit Error Recovery "feature".

                           

                          Forget about a mid tower. Go for a BIG tower. Better cooling, easier to access, more expansion room, more flexibility.

                           

                          With this CPU there is no need to overclock for your purposes. You can always decide to try it out later.

                           

                          I'm not familiar with the cooling system of your choice. Your video card is actively cooled.

                           

                          SSD's are great for spending money at over 30 times the price of conventional disks, without any performance gain when editing. I would rather have a Velociraptor as a boot disk.

                           

                          Backups should be done to a NAS or external disk.


                          Harm, I'm about to order a new system using 4x Caviar Black drives in Raid5.  I hadn't come across any mention that these drives couldn't be used in RAID but a review of the WD RE3 explains:

                          "When deployed independently, hard drives are left to perform error recovery on their own while the rest of the system waits. RAID controllers aren't keen to idle, though, and if a drive takes too long to recover from an error, it's often marked as bad and dropped from the array. To prevent premature ejection from an array, the RE3 features Time-Limited Error Recovery (TLER) that, er, limits the amount of time the drive will be unresponsive while attempting error recovery on its own. If the drive can't recover the error within this limited time span, it simply gives up, deferring error recovery to the RAID controller " (source http://techreport.com/articles.x/15588)

                           

                          So I'm guessing that any drive with a error recovery period longer than the RAID controller threshold run the risk of being dropped, correct?  Is the risk high enough to warrant almost double the price of the RE3 drive over the Cavair Black?

                          • 10. Re: Please critique my build
                            Harm Millaard Level 7

                            Caviar Blacks are not suited for raid use, because this WDTLER "feature" can not be turned off. You either have to use the RE4 series, or use another brand. I would have a look at the Spinpoint F3 series. Much more attractively priced than the RE4 and they are outstanding.