7 Replies Latest reply: May 19, 2010 9:50 AM by John Woram RSS

    How to?: Break text threads between chapters

    John Woram Community Member

      I'm working on a 300+ page .indd file of a multi-chapter book. As expected, text flows between the bottom of one page and the top of the next (or vice versa) as paragraphs are edited/added/deleted, etc. That's great within a chapter, but not-so-great when text flows out of one chapter and into the next. So, is there any way to break a thread at the end of, say, page 210 and start a new thread at the top of page 211? And do the same thing throughout the file where each chapter ends, and the next begins on the following page?

       

      I've tried everything I can think of, like cutting everything from page 211 to the end to the clipboard, then pasting it back in again. As soon as I do that, page 210 threads itself to page 211 again.

        • 1. Re: How to?: Break text threads between chapters
          bartledoo Community Member

          There's a free plugin called textstitch which you can configure to unthread the current spread

           

          http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetail&extid=1300019

           

          hth

          • 2. Re: How to?: Break text threads between chapters
            Peter Spier CommunityMVP

            You need to break the thread before you cut and paste. Try clicking the outport of the last frame in the chpter, then click the loaded cursor inside the same frame. That will break the thread at that point and make the the remaining text overset, but leave all the frames threaded before or after that point.

             

            Put your cursror after the last point in the text you want in the frame, then press Ctrl (Cmd) + Shift + End which will select from that point to the end of the story, cut, put an insertion point in the next frame and paste. Repeat as required.

            • 3. Re: How to?: Break text threads between chapters
              John Woram Community Member

              Thanks -- I installed the textstitch plug-in and need to make a few more tests to see if I can get it to unstitch a single thread between two pages, without unstitching everything that follows.

              • 4. Re: How to?: Break text threads between chapters
                John Woram Community Member

                "Try clicking  the outport of the last frame in the chpter, then click the loaded  cursor inside the same frame. That will break the thread at that point  and make the the remaining text overset, but leave all the frames  threaded before or after that point."

                Been there, done that. The text on all following pages disappears, and when I click the loaded cursor on the first blank page, the text re-appears, but once again it's threaded back to the previous page.

                 

                "Put your cursror after the last  point in the text you want in the frame, then press Ctrl (Cmd) + Shift +  End which will select from that point to the end of the story, cut, put  an insertion point in the next frame and paste."

                I tried that too. I get a new blank page, followed by the pasted text. And as before, there's a thread between the previous chapter ending page, and the newly-pasted text.

                 

                I did bite the bullet and order the CS5 upgrade, so maybe I'll just wait till that arrives and then try again.

                • 5. Re: How to?: Break text threads between chapters
                  Peter Spier CommunityMVP

                  Turn off Smart Text Reflow in the prefs...


                  • 6. Re: How to?: Break text threads between chapters
                    Peter Spier CommunityMVP

                    Well maybe that isn't it. I had a little trouble following what you've done.

                     

                    The point here is that you need to break the thread (and for that I think you do need to tun off smart reflow -- can't stand it myself so I never have it on), then you must cut the extra text to the clipboard. Your frame cannot be threaded, if you broke the thread properly in the first step to any frame downstream, and there should no longer be any overset text after doing the cut operation, so you won't be recreating a thread where you don't want it. From there it's just an ordinary past at some new cursor location. If you make a new frame, it will fill and leave overset that you can pick up, or if you use the old downstream frames pasting will refill all of them, but they will only be threaded downstream, not back to the original text you left behind.

                    • 7. Re: How to?: Break text threads between chapters
                      John Woram Community Member

                      "... you need to break the thread (and for that I  think you do need to tun off smart reflow -- can't stand it myself so I  never have it on), then you must cut the extra text to the clipboard.

                       

                      Smart reflow is turned off -- and I think I've finally got it (well, it's about time). I cut the text from after the end of chapter 10 to the end of the file, leaving me with a lot of blank pages. Then I cut the thread between the end of chapter 10 and the first of those blank pages. Then I pasted the cut text back into that blank page. That did it. The thread between the chapters is gone, but all the other threading is preserved. Now I need to repeat for all the other chapters.

                       

                      Too bad there isn't a scissor-like tool (as in Illustrator, for example) to simply "snip" an unwanted thread. Maybe CS6, for sure.