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1. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
P Spier May 27, 2010 3:44 PM (in response to Apel Yves)I don't have an answer for you, but I'm bumping this up in hopes someone else does and will see it before it scrolls into oblivion.
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2. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
p taz May 27, 2010 8:02 PM (in response to P Spier)What is a 'spread override' in this context?
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3. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
Apel Yves May 28, 2010 6:31 AM (in response to P Spier)Dear Peter,
thanks for taking the post back on top. Unfortunatelly, it seems that there is no direct solution. I also asked this question in other forums, mainly in europe, and it seems that there is a problem in InDesign CS5.
Also known people as Gerald Singelmann have tried it my way with the same result, what should not be. I will make later a bug report on this.
regards
Yves
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4. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
Apel Yves May 28, 2010 6:39 AM (in response to p taz)Dear p taz,
The "ignore spread override" will garantee that the flattener profile I indicated in the export PDF window will be used and not the preference from the pages panel.
I forgot to tell. If the spread flattening in the pages panel is set to default, the text will not be vectorized with my flattening profile with "ignore spread override" activated or deactivated.
best regards
Yves
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5. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
Frans van der Geest May 28, 2010 7:32 AM (in response to Apel Yves)But... WHY do you want text to be converted to outlines in the first place?! This is very bad practice.
Anyway, you are aware thet you can assign flattener pre-sets to certain pages?
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6. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
Apel Yves May 28, 2010 8:18 AM (in response to Frans van der Geest)Hello,
yes I know I can assign flattener presets with the pages panel to certain pages. But why doesn't this work with the export?
I don't think that it is a bad way to create outlines. In any case better than to use the Type/Create outlines feature where you will loose the spacements of kerning pairs etc. And there are still printers wanna have a PDF with type converted to outlines.
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7. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
davidmarshall74 Jul 29, 2010 3:04 AM (in response to Apel Yves)Hi all
I came across the same problem recently with the transparencies on export after a play around with the export settings i found that the flattener options within the advanced tab during export was not available for selection, which normally means it's not going to be used.
I was able to make this option available by selecting a standard from the standard box near the top of the export window of PDF/X-3:2002.
Once selected the Transparency Flattener option becomes available for selection. Simply select your option and export.
Hey presto it worked straight away.
Really annoyed me for a week so hope this helps someones frustration
Hope this helps guys.
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8. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
Dov Isaacs Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM (in response to Apel Yves)This issue was answered in a few other threads.
The Convert All Text to Outlines option of the flattener presets was not designed as a means of unconditionally outlining text in exported PDF files. Although it had that effect in prior versions of InDesign, in InDesign 7 (i.e., CS5), all text on any particular page will be converted to outlines if and only if that option is selected and some text on that page is adversely affected by transparency flattening. The original concept behind the Convert All Text to Outlines feature was to assure that you didn't see degradation of some text but not all text on a page when some of the text on the page needed to be converted to outlines or raster due to transparency flattening (for example, some text may have been "covered" by a non-opaque object).
If you want to force this option to "work" as you would like it to, you need to artificially cause flattening of some text to occur. For example, you could place a 1 pt "period" character in a frame by itself on a page's margin using 1% black as its color and cover it with a tiny rectangular frame filled with 1% yellow. Neither the 1% black period nor the 1% yellow rectangle will actually print anything or show on screen, but it will force the flattener to convert all text to outlines on any page where this hack is present. Want it on all pages, do the hack on the master page.
Having said that, with an exceptionally few rare exceptions (such as use of certain sign cutting machines that only process a subset of PostScript) any printer that requires converting text to outlines instead of all fonts-embedded PDF file is clearly not up to date in terms of knowledge, workflow, or both! Outlined text yields degraded quality other than at high resolutions and large point sizes.
- Dov
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9. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
FayeAdmiral2002 Jul 21, 2011 2:44 AM (in response to Apel Yves)Hi, I have just come across a PDF that a customer has sent to us (we are PRINTERS!)
This PDF won't go through our RIP for our platemaker.
One way round this is to outline the fonts in flattener either in Acrobat Pro or InDesign. The annoying fonts just won't outline no matter what we do.
This file was created in Quark 7. So maybe the bug lies there on this occasion, but you would expect the outline text flattener in Adobe Acrobat Pro to be able to handle any kind of PDF.
Anyone have any ideas?
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10. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
P Spier Jul 21, 2011 4:14 AM (in response to FayeAdmiral2002)Are the fonts actually embedded in the file? I doubt that they could be outlined if they are missing, any more than they can be ripped as fonts.
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11. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
FayeAdmiral2002 Jul 21, 2011 4:29 AM (in response to P Spier)Yes the fonts are embedded.
The very long way round I found to fix this was to import the PDF into InDesign and use the Flattener in InDesign to outline the fonts.
Then I could open the PDF in illustrator and do the trapping I needed to do on the logo.
What a faff!
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12. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
Dov Isaacs Jul 21, 2011 8:18 AM (in response to FayeAdmiral2002)Without seeing a sample of the actual PDF file, it would be virtually impossible to diagnose the problem here.
That having been said, if the fonts can be recognized by InDesign's placement of PDF, then they should be able to be RIPed.
Did you try the preflight in Acrobat Pro? Does it diagnose a problem?
What RIP (and version of same) are you actually using? Modern RIPs should not have these types of problems.
- Dov
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13. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
kranthi9900 Dec 18, 2013 4:36 AM (in response to Apel Yves)hi, i m kranthi kumar, I came across the same problem with the transparencies on export after a play around with the export settings and i have done the same process.. but in pdf its not yet outlined... still it is text only..
can any one help me out from this problem...
Thank you
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14. Re: ID CS5: Transparency Flattener in Export PDF doesn't work as expected
P Spier Dec 18, 2013 6:21 AM (in response to kranthi9900)See Dov's further explanation at Possible bug: oulining text w/ flattener in CS5









