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    problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating

    natswilson Level 1

      Has anyone had the same problem that we're experiencing? - we have Production Premium CS5 installed on a machine with Win 7 Pro x64. We have three separate edits all of which are experiencing bloating of the .prproj project file. Often this bloating seems to occur when no importing of assets has occured, just changes in the edits. A project which started at 5mb has bloated to 1.5GB and we can no longer save it. Another project has bloated to 200mb and continues to grow in size. We have not brought in any weird assets, although we are using hi-def footage.

       

      We upgrade from CS3 and never had this problem using Premiere CS3.

       

      We can't fix the problem by 'remove unused footage' as this doesn't reduce the project size, although it does remove the unused footage.

       

      We can't fix it by importing the project into a new clean project as the problem and huge file size just comes with

       

      We can't fix it by using the project manager to collect up the project as it requires to save before collecting and the problem files can't be saved.

       

      A couple of points to note - these projects were originally on Premiere CS3 and were upgraded to CS5. The footage is either Sony EX3 or Canon 5D - both HD.

       

      The machine it's running on has 8gb of RAM.

       

      Currently the projects I'm working on are gradually grinding to a hold with no way to make the files usable again.

       

      Any suggestions are greatfully recieved as I'm at a loss. I've reported this to Adobe, and will report back if I get anything useful.

       

       

      thanks.

        • 1. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
          Huntrex Level 2

          these projects were originally on Premiere CS3 and were upgraded to CS5.

          That may be your problem right there. Try creating a new blank CS5 project and see if it still happens. It's a best practice to finish the edit on the same software that you started it on. I just bought CS5, but am going to wait until all my CS4 editing is done before I install it.

          • 2. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
            natswilson Level 1

            Thanks for the reply Huntrex. I have exported my timeline on one of the projects that is almost complete and brought it into a new CS5 project to finish off, to see if that helps. The trouble is that the projects that aren't nearly finished have a load of work on things like grading and re-framing which wont come thorough if I export and EDL in order to get them into a clean CS5 project, which is what I'd need to do. I'm not completely convinced that this is the problem either .... but I agree it's definately something to consider / investigate. The reason we upgraded was because we were having so much trouble with CS3 crashing when handling HD footage from an EX3, so leaving the projects as CS3 until the end of the edit wasn't really an option.

             

            What concerns me about this problem is that I can't seem to find anyone else with the same issue! It's always a relief when there are a whole bunch of you trying to solve the same problem! That combined with the fact that the corruption, if thats what it is, is preventing the projects from being saved is a real problem!

            • 3. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
              jeremy d. Level 3

              Long Shot:

               

              Have you tried to import the sequences invididually?

              • 4. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                natswilson Level 1

                Jeremy,

                 

                thanks for your long shot - it turns out to be a life saving work around. I can't tell you how helpful you've been. I'd tried importing the problem project into a new project but wasn't aware that I could import just a timeline. The resulting new project file has come down from 200MB to 3MB.

                 

                I'm still interested in any information anyone has as to why this has happened in the first place as I'd like to know what I need to do to avoid it happening again, at the moment I can't be sure it isn't going to happen again to my newly reduced timeline. As I mentioned in my post, it's not just one project that this is happening to but all three that I have been working on since upgrading from CS3 to CS5 (one having ballooned to 1.5GB).

                 

                If I find that the newly streamlined project doesn't grow in size, this may suggest that the problem is with the projects having been converted from Premiere CS3 files at Huntrex suggests.

                 

                I'll post my findings back here.

                 

                I notice you're an Adobe employee Jeremy - feel free to contact me if this problem is more widespread than just me and I can provide any useful information.

                 

                Nat

                • 5. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                  sync2rhythm Level 1

                  More Widespread it is as I have also experienced this.

                   

                  I did exactly what Jeremy suggested (before reading this thread). All of my other .pproj's were 5MB - 10MB but when I tried to reOpen it and things were really slow... I noticed that the .pproj was just over 100MB. After I started a new project and imported the SEQ's the file size is back inline with the others (7MB). This coincided with another problem posted in another thread where someone suggest Operator Error because all of the Media in my project was gone... same as the Original Poster of said Thread.

                  • 6. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                    fredgilb Level 1

                    Same problem here. I started the file in cs5.

                    My back up files started at 4,000kb, 27,000kb, then 207,735kb and won't open.

                    Also the program is getting slugish. I can't drag the opacity slider but I can make the adjustment on the timeline. Hmmm

                    That is a great tip about importing seqences, thanks

                     

                    8 gig ram

                    HP 8660

                    ati fireGL 5600

                    • 7. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                      natswilson Level 1

                      Selfishly, I'm somewhat relieved that I'm not the only person with this problem. It means that it's more likely that Adobe will look at finding out what is going wrong and fixing it. I'm concerned that Fredqlib is having this problem even with projects that were originated in CS5 rather than being imported from CS3 as this would seem to rule out the idea that it is an import problem which won't happen after the full migration from Premiere CS3 to CS5.

                       

                      This is a huge problem for anyone experiencing this issue. It's not like an application error which can be fixed by doing a reinstall. Imagine if Photoshop users started experiencing a problem whereby their .psd files bloated and then became unusable, there would be uproar! The life saving work around suggested by Jeremy still has issues such as the fact that doing an import of just a program sequence looses all of the folder structure within the project and the comments from Fredqlib suggest that my fear that the files will just bloat again is likely to happen.

                       

                      I wonder whether it's got something to do with having 8gb installed. Has everyone who's having this problem got 8GB x64 running?

                       

                      I logged this problem with Adobe support a couple of days ago but still have heard nothing back. I'll post anything I hear back here.

                      • 8. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                        natswilson Level 1

                        I wonder if we can find something that all of us experiencing this problem have in common?

                         

                        - this is my setup:

                         

                         

                        Hardware:

                        8GB ram

                        Win 7 Pro x64

                        ATI FireGL V3400 graphics card

                        Intel XBX2 motherboard

                        Windows fully patched

                        Kasperski anti virus

                         

                        Software:

                        Adobe CS5 Production Premium, upgraded from CS3

                        Neat x64 plugin for CS5 for grain reduction

                        Also tried to install the free RedGiant QuickLooks plugin from Adobe, but it caused Premiere to crash and was uninstalled

                         

                        Project media:

                        first project - 1080p, footage from Canon 5D

                        second project - PAL SD, footage from Canon EX3 and RED

                         

                        Other:

                        The projects I'm working on are stored on an external RAID and have been opened and briefly edited on my laptop also, which is the same software setup as above, but without the attempt at installing QuickLooks.

                        • 9. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                          tclark513 Level 3

                          Same problem here...

                           

                          Mac with a software raid0.

                          16gigs of ram and quad core CPU.

                          HDV 1080i

                           

                          Project file bloated to 10 GIG.  That's right...10 GIG.  It wont even open anymore.  The open dialog sits there and doesn't do anything.

                           

                          We need a fix or a work around really quick here.

                           

                          Sheri or Will from Adobe...any chance you are reading this?

                          Any input would be really helpful!

                           

                          Thanks!

                           

                          P.S.  We tried importing the sequence and it just sits there.  It think its to big even for that!

                          • 10. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                            tclark513 Level 3

                            fredgilb wrote:

                             

                            Same problem here. I started the file in cs5.

                            My back up files started at 4,000kb, 27,000kb, then 207,735kb and won't open.

                            Also the program is getting slugish. I can't drag the opacity slider but I can make the adjustment on the timeline. Hmmm

                            That is a great tip about importing seqences, thanks

                             

                            8 gig ram

                            HP 8660

                            ati fireGL 5600

                             

                            Fredgilb,

                             

                            Are you using any type of Raid?  I wonder if this might be the common factor.

                            • 12. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                              tclark513 Level 3

                              Dennis,

                               

                              I see you are posting at this time...

                               

                              Can you suggest anything for the problem above?

                              This is starting to get out of hand.

                               

                              Thanks!

                              • 13. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                natswilson Level 1

                                TClark,

                                 

                                I'm shocked that you are having the same problem on a mac. This seems to suggest a problem that could be really widespread. You've also beaten my 1.5GB file bloat size.

                                 

                                What the hell is going on with Premiere Pro? I'm surprised to have heard nothing from Adobe either via my support request or on this forum, save for Jeremys useful work around, considering how serious an issue this is.

                                 

                                I've had to break all the projects I'm working on which have multiple timelines in each project into a new seperate project per timeline in order to reduce the file bloat problem and reduce the risk of me loosing all my work in one go on a bloated file.

                                 

                                Adobe - we could do with some help here. It's frustrating to have spent so much money on licences for this software only to have virtually non-existant help when a serious flaw in the software manifests itself.

                                 

                                Nat

                                • 14. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                  tclark513 Level 3

                                  natswilson wrote:

                                   

                                  TClark,

                                   

                                  I'm shocked that you are having the same problem on a mac. This seems to suggest a problem that could be really widespread. You've also beaten my 1.5GB file bloat size.

                                   

                                  What the hell is going on with Premiere Pro? I'm surprised to have heard nothing from Adobe either via my support request or on this forum, save for Jeremys useful work around, considering how serious an issue this is.

                                   

                                  I've had to break all the projects I'm working on which have multiple timelines in each project into a new seperate project per timeline in order to reduce the file bloat problem and reduce the risk of me loosing all my work in one go on a bloated file.

                                   

                                  Adobe - we could do with some help here. It's frustrating to have spent so much money on licences for this software only to have virtually non-existant help when a serious flaw in the software manifests itself.

                                   

                                  Nat

                                   

                                  Yeah...it's really a bummer that no one is acknowledging it.  It's pretty serious!

                                  I hope Dennis jumps in soon!

                                  • 15. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                    Huntrex Level 2

                                    Has EVERYONE who has experienced this filled out a bug report? The more reports they receive on this bug the higher the priority for a fix.

                                    • 16. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                      jeremy d. Level 3

                                      Consider yourselves acknowledged.

                                      We get lots of bug reports. Please don't take it personally if you don't get a direct response from us for each one.

                                       

                                      Has anyone seen this same bloating with CS4 projects?

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      This is definitely not the case:

                                      Has EVERYONE who has experienced this filled out a bug report? The more reports they receive on this bug the higher the priority for a fix.

                                       

                                      Dulicate bug reports just get marked as duplicates and closed. Deciding the priority for a fix involves determining the severity of the problem, the impact on the usability of the app, the time involved in making the change, and the risk of those changes to the stability of the app. More bug reports, not so much.

                                       

                                      Feature Requests are another thing entirely. Popularity is a factor -- not the only one -- but we definitely notice.

                                      • 17. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                        jeremy d. Level 3

                                        I commented early in this thread.

                                        Have I really been relegated to nobody already?

                                         

                                         

                                        Yeah...it's really a bummer that no one is acknowledging it.  It's pretty serious!

                                        I hope Dennis jumps in soon!

                                        • 18. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                          the_wine_snob Level 9
                                          Have I really been relegated to nobody already?

                                           

                                          No Jeremy. Like Harm, I try to ALWAYS read any of your posts, even it the thread does not affect me - yet.

                                           

                                          Please keep up the good work.

                                           

                                          Hunt

                                          • 19. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                            jeremy d. Level 3

                                            Jeff will tell you, I am emoticonically challenged. I will try to indicate my level of levity in the future.

                                            I was kidding, mostly. I was kind of shocked.

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            • 20. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                              the_wine_snob Level 9

                                              We just wanted to convey our respect and appreciation here - you ain't [SIC] chopped liver around these parts!

                                               

                                              Hunt

                                              • 21. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                natswilson Level 1

                                                Jeremy, you've provided the one useful tip that has given me a life saving work around for this problem, but seeing as it would appear not to be a problem relating to upgrading from a previous version of Premiere and also seeing as tclarke is experiencing this on a Mac as well as on PCs, and given the fact that it is making our projects unworkable with repeated instances of project files bloating up to 10GB in size, can I ask what happens now?

                                                 

                                                I logged a support request with Adobe five days ago but have heard nothing back. In the meantime, this bug is leaving a few of us in a real and ongoing fix.

                                                 

                                                Would it be helpful if some of us uploaded our bloated project files to Adobe so they can be analysed?

                                                 

                                                thanks for your input and help with this.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Nat

                                                • 22. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                  jeremy d. Level 3

                                                  Mister Hunt, is there a mechanism here for uploading files?

                                                  • 23. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                    Jeremy,

                                                     

                                                    Unfortunately, that function has been disabled for some time. Adobe is working on plugging a security hole in it, but nothing has been announced as of yet. I was surprised the other day, as it seemed to come back, at least in this forum, but then disappeared as quickly, as it re-appeared.

                                                     

                                                    The best way to accomplish this now, until the forum feature is re-activated, would be to post to an FTP site, or perhaps to PM a link to a service, like YouSendIt.

                                                     

                                                    We used that feature a lot for log files, and diagnostic text files, but some users seemed to want to upload all sorts of nefarious "stuff."

                                                     

                                                    I just hope that Adobe can fix the security hole and re-institute that feature.

                                                     

                                                    Sorry for the bad news,

                                                     

                                                    Hunt

                                                    • 24. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                      natswilson Level 1

                                                      I'm uploading a project file when it was at 180mb and after it had ballooned to 1.5gb.

                                                       

                                                      I'll PM you and Jeremy a download link shortly.

                                                       

                                                      thanks,

                                                       


                                                      N

                                                      • 25. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                        Huntrex Level 2

                                                        Dulicate bug reports just get marked as duplicates and closed.

                                                         

                                                        Sorry, didn't mean to come across that way. I meant that the people who where experiencing this problem should send one report so you could have more information about the bug and know that this is not an isolated problem.

                                                        • 26. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                          Jeff Bellune Adobe Community Professional

                                                          Jeff will tell you, I am emoticonically challenged

                                                          But you've got a cool avatar.  So that kind of makes up for it.

                                                           

                                                          "See if you can guess, what I am now" ---->      :-|8

                                                           

                                                          -Jeff

                                                          • 27. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                            jeremy d. Level 3

                                                            Did you really go there?

                                                            The answer is, of course, a zit.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            "See if you can guess, what I am now" ---->      :-|8
                                                            • 28. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                              jeremy d. Level 3

                                                              ...but we digress.

                                                               

                                                              I'll download your project, Nat, and I'll also look at one that I already have.

                                                              • 29. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                Jeff Bellune Adobe Community Professional

                                                                Yes, I went there.  My wife says that I am a P-I-G pig.

                                                                 

                                                                (Apologies to all for the OT post(s).  I'll crawl back into my cave now.)

                                                                 

                                                                -Jeff

                                                                • 30. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                                                                  Jeff,

                                                                   

                                                                  Can I banish you to the corner, behind the plastic plant, just like you always do me?

                                                                   

                                                                  Hunt

                                                                  • 32. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                    acmputr Level 1

                                                                    Windows 7 x64, CS5 Production Premium

                                                                    Intel 58X MB, i7 Core 920, 8 GB RAM, boot from 10K WD Raptor, edit from RAID 0 = 2 Seagate 500GB drives run from a Highpoint RAID controller.

                                                                     

                                                                    Project created in CS4 and upgraded to CS5, Music videos, 4 camera multi-edit sequences.  All cameras are Sony professional or pro-sumer cameras.

                                                                     

                                                                    At about 8 sequences the project file became bloated (825 MB) and I could no longer save, add or remove sequences from the time line or close the program.  Basically it loads as it was, I can play the vdeo in the timeline but anything else locks it up.

                                                                     

                                                                    I was able to copy and paste a sequence to a new project but lost all my structure, but it does save.

                                                                    I have submitted a bug report and I started my own thread before this one was pointed out to me.

                                                                     

                                                                    I have other projects both created in CS5 and upgraded from CS4 but not edited enough to experience this problem yet.

                                                                     

                                                                    I have thrown the CS5 promo listerature on the floor and  am stomping it as I write, I feel better with each heel grind.

                                                                     

                                                                    Mel

                                                                    • 33. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                      acmputr Level 1

                                                                      I was able to import my base sequence of the band's performance to a new project file.  It's 4 cameras in 1920 x 1440 by 83 minutes long.  I use it to cut out my indvidual songs.  It took almost 1/2 an hour but it worked and my base sequence (minus structure) is now 1.3 MB.  A tiny little bugger if ever there was one!

                                                                       

                                                                      I'm picking the Adobe promo literature up off the floor now....no need to fear, no more stomping today.

                                                                      • 34. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                        tclark513 Level 3

                                                                        jeremy d. wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        ...but we digress.

                                                                         

                                                                        I'll download your project, Nat, and I'll also look at one that I already have.

                                                                         

                                                                        Jeremy,

                                                                         

                                                                        Did you get a chance to look at these projects?

                                                                        • 35. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                          jeremy d. Level 3

                                                                          I tried one of my projects first, but the results were inconclusive, so I'll move on to yours next.

                                                                           

                                                                          tclark513 wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          jeremy d. wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          ...but we digress.

                                                                           

                                                                          I'll download your project, Nat, and I'll also look at one that I already have.

                                                                           

                                                                          Jeremy,

                                                                           

                                                                          Did you get a chance to look at these projects?

                                                                          • 36. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                            Kevin7169 Level 1

                                                                            I just found this thread after sufferingthe same problem.  So far it is just the 1 project

                                                                            , but it takes nearly 10 minutes to load and then will not Save.  My project file is quite a bit large

                                                                            r than the others, but not bloated to the size other people are reporting.  I haven't tried Jeremy's workaround yet, but I'll try it next.

                                                                             

                                                                            One thing though.  I started as CS4 project and am opening it in CS4.  I don't have CS5 yet.

                                                                            • 37. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                              tclark513 Level 3

                                                                              Thanks Jeremy for the update!

                                                                               

                                                                              I am real curious on what you find.

                                                                               

                                                                              More and more people are starting to have this problem.

                                                                              • 38. Re: problem with Premiere Pro CS5 project files bloating
                                                                                jeremy d. Level 3

                                                                                I'll let you know.

                                                                                 

                                                                                My money's on the media. I bet the three of you have some formats in common.

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