9 Replies Latest reply on May 28, 2010 7:06 PM by John Waller

    One more hide/show layer try

    Fillpress

      Okay, is there no way to do this? I am just trying to "move" layers (hide) out of the way so that my drop-down menu can be read and THEN I would like the layers to reappear as soon as the user moves off the drop-down but NOT the link that creates the drop-down necessarily. I've tried nearly all of the events in the behaviors panel to have the images/layers reappear but they either reappear as soon as the user moves off the link or they never reappear at all.

      Or, is there another way to do it altogether?

       

      http://www.animalcrackerspetsupply.com/Index1.html

       

      Thanks,

      Kelly

        • 1. Re: One more hide/show layer try
          Ben M Adobe Community Professional

          If you don't mind me asking, what version of Dreamweaver are you working with?  It is CS4/CS5 or is it an earlier version?

           

          I only ask because I am looking through your code and see the Fireworks menus inside plus the absolutely positioned layers and it appears to be wrecking havoc with the layers that won't re-appear.  There may be other ways to get the solution you are looking for.  Do you have an example of another site or an image showing the ultimate goal of how you want the page to be presented?

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          • 2. Re: One more hide/show layer try
            Fillpress Level 1

            Thank you for answering! Yes, the code is very likely a real mess. I use Dreamweaver because I am not a coder. The only stuff I know I get from Dreamweaver books. And, YES, unfortunately I am dealing with Dreamweaver 8 -- if anyone wants to buy me CS5, I wouldn't disagree . Anyway, I just want the drop-down menus to be readable, really, but the images get in the way. That's why I want them to disappear when the drop-down menu is dropped-down and reappear when the cursor is moved off of the drop-down menu. Right now, the only way that I am able to do that is to have the user 'refresh' the page...which isn't really an option. Does this make sense? And, no, I can't find any other page that I could use as an example (if I could, I would swipe THEIR code).

             

            I am wondering if I should just get rid of the drop-down and just have the pictures link to their own page. My friend (who I am doing this for) likes the drop-downs, however, so I have been trying to figure it out.

             

            Thank you,

            Kelly

            • 3. Re: One more hide/show layer try
              Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Your page is cluttered and disorganized.  Not very professional looking. And the "menu" system you have now isn't working well.  Why don't you rebuild the page with a CSS styled drop menu?

               

              Example:

              http://alt-web.com/DEMOS/CSS2-Horiz-Drop-Menu.shtml

               

               

               

              Nancy O.
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              • 4. Re: One more hide/show layer try
                Ben M Adobe Community Professional

                Nancy was a little more blunt about what I was getting at.  Dreamweaver, while it is a great tool, is not like Photoshop or Illustrator.  Just because it looks good in the program does not mean it looks good on the web.  This is the reason in CS4 (version 10) that Adobe implemented Live View and took it further in CS5 (which is the last chance you will have to upgrade before having to buy a new license).  Website design, like Flash, is more about programming. 

                 

                And my question about asking the layout or examples of the goals was to try and see what the ultimate goal of website was.  What you were trying to accomplish visually.  It was not meant about ripping off someone else's work.  What I'm simply looking to find out is the vision that this client has for their website. And seeing if there is a better way to reach their goal through a more streamlined layout.

                 

                As Nancy pointed out there are other systems, and I would have recommended the Widget Browser from Adobe, but that requires Live View (CS4/5) and then there are 3rd party extensions like those from Project Seven that do excellent jobs at integrating this functionality with Dreamweaver.

                • 5. Re: One more hide/show layer try
                  Fillpress Level 1

                  Well, you know something Nancy O.  You may be a professional, but YOUR web page is cluttered as all get out. And, no, I can't upgrade anyway because I have an educational version. And no, I HATE CSS AND I AM SO FUCKEN SICK OF EVERYBODY SAYING HOW FANTASTIC IT IS WHEN IT NEVER, EVER WORKS FOR ME. I CHANGE SOMETHING IN THE CSS FILE AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE ALL THE THINGS ON ALL THE PAGES...THE WAY EVERYONE SAYS IT SHOULD.  AND YES, YES, YES I AM SICK AND TIRED OF EVERY DAMN WEB PAGE LOOKING EXACTLY LIKE EVERY OTHER WEB PAGE.

                   

                  I CAN SEE THAT WE ARE DONE AND THIS FORUM IS ONLY FOR ADVANCED PROFESSIONALS.

                   

                  THANKS A LOT.

                  • 6. Re: One more hide/show layer try
                    John Waller Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Don't be disheartened. This forum is definitely for beginners too.

                     

                    You'll occasionally receive direct, robust responses here but don't take them personally and don't fire back. They're usually trying to help in their own way. Just take what you can out of them even if they do press the wrong buttons in you. If they really upset you, just rise above them and ignore them. But keep at it and keep on learrning. The learning curve does flatten out a bit eventually.

                    • 7. Re: One more hide/show layer try
                      Ben M Adobe Community Professional

                      Where did that come from?

                       

                      First if you contact Adobe, they will say you can upgrade an educational version to a full license.  You just have to pay the retail upgrade price, $199.  While it was true that Macromedia (who made DW 8) had a policy of not upgrading educational to retail, Adobe is completely different in that respect.  I only mentioned it because Adobe does have an upgrade every 3 versions policy where if you are 4 versions back you have to buy a new license, if you are 3 or less versions back you pay the upgrade price.

                       

                      Next, what's with the attitude?  Nancy was a bit blunt and probably could have re-worded her response better yes I will agree to that.  Now I just went back through your other posts on the forums and nowhere have you asked for help about CSS.  So if you were asking for help elsewhere and not getting the answers you need I'm sorry.  But there are plenty of people here who could help you with CSS and point you to worthwhile resources to help you out.

                       

                      And I agree with your comment about every website looking the same it's not necessary.  There are ways to make designs work.  Your client should come to you with a plan saying my website doesn't work, customers are saying "xyz" and "abc", can you help make it easier for them to find "123".  It would be no different then if you were designing a flyer or a postcard for them.

                       

                      From visiting your website I can see you are a talented artist.  But there is no shame in not being able to work in every aspect of digital art.  If you don't have the time to learn something, consider hiring a freelancer who can help.  There is no reason to blow up like you did just because you don't understand something or don't want to look at the problem deeper as I was trying to get you to do.  With that attitude no one on any forum would want to help out and it doesn't benefit anymore, nor put you in a good light.  If you want further help & criticism you are free to come back but take a minute to step away from this because it's obviously troubling you more than it needs to.

                      • 8. Re: One more hide/show layer try
                        Fillpress Level 1

                        Thank you, John. You're okay.

                        As for the learning curve, I've been playing with Dreamweaver on and off for 2 years now and it never gets any better. Everything I read basically says "don't use Dreamweaver." However, it's the best I have because I am not into coding a lot. I don't really WANT to get into coding a lot. I am just doing this for a friend. They had a website professionally done a couple years ago, paid really good money for it, and couldn't figure it out because it was so complicated.

                         

                        I don't see how saying 'your website is cluttered, disorganized, and unprofessional' is really any help in any way.

                        • 9. Re: One more hide/show layer try
                          John Waller Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          You don't need to become an expert in coding but you do need to learn a few basics such as how HTML and CSS work outside the DW environment

                           

                          Once you have a handle on the theory and how HTML and CSS interact, DW makes so much more sense.

                           

                          "I don't see how saying 'your website is cluttered, disorganized, and unprofessional' is really any help in any way."

                           

                          Take the good with the bad.

                           

                          Some people offer "that was harsh" (in your eyes), "just being honest" (in their eyes) comments as raw medicine, others offer similar advice in different ways. Just take what you can out of it.

                           

                          Helps if you de-sensitize yourself to the more acute, direct language (and there's plenty of it online) because there are often nuggets of gold inside. Experts often express themselves robustly with brevity (to the point) online. Takes some getting used to but it can eventually be constructive to you if you focus on the content and ignore the delivery.