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1. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Jun 30, 2010 10:57 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)The issue is that the Alt key is invoking keyboard accessibility features (namely, prepping the system to take another character to select a menu).
And yes, it's been noticed before, and I for one consider Photoshop CS5 slightly less integrated with Windows because of it. Fortunately, I personally have not become used to using the Alt key as a modifier for general operations.
Your only workaround at present might be to try to retrain yourself to use the Photoshop interface a little differently (e.g., set the preference to have zooming be the default scroll wheel operation, or learn to select the zoom tool).
You might want to report it to Adobe here: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
-Noel
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2. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Jun 30, 2010 8:23 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Figured as much, just quite disappointed at this flaw that seems to have been introduced. Yeah, I'll probably have to end up re-learning it, but I do a lot of touchup for catalogs and such, using portrait-oriented photos, so the vertical scroll & zoom both on the mousewheel is very handy. I have turned in a bug report. Would really like to see Adobe get on top of this.
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3. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Jun 30, 2010 9:45 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)I discovered a temporary fix. This has only been tested on Windows XP SP3. Apparently Photoshop CS5 has an issue with the physical Alt+MouseWheel, however a workaround can be executed by blocking the actual input and re-sending the Alt+MouseWheel signal using virtual keycodes. Since this is non-destructive (the input received is simply re-sent), its a safe redirection, and should not only fix the CS5 bug, but also be compatible with just about any other program you may run, without the need to start and stop it constantly.
Here's how I did it, hopefully it helps somebody else (and hopefully Adobe fixes this soon):
- Download and install AutoHotkey: http://www.autohotkey.com/
- Create a new AHK script (Right Click > New > AutoHotkey Script) and name it something like CS5_Workaround.ahk
- Right-click the new script and select Edit Script. It should open it with Notepad.
- Copy and paste the following text into the file:
- !WheelUp::
- Send !{WheelUp}
- return
- !WheelDown::
- Send !{WheelDown}
- return
- Save the file and close Notepad.
- Double-click the script file on your Desktop. You should see a new icon in your taskbar's system tray.
- Make sure that the Photoshop CS5 option Edit > Preferences > General... > Zoom with Scroll Wheel is UNCHECKED.
- Now you should be able to use Alt+MouseWheel to zoom without the annoying activation of the File menu.
Hopefully somebody finds this useful, even if a bit cumbersome. Adobe, please fix this soon!
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4. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
TMagritte Jun 30, 2010 11:46 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)I tried your Autohotkey script and got a really weird result. It works fine if I use the right alt key.However, if I use the left alt key then zooming is dependent on the speed at which I turn the scrollwheel. If I turn it fast enough it will zoom, but if I turn it too slowly it scrolls instead. Again, this doesn't happen with the script enable and holding down the right alt key where the behaviour is correct and no longer triggers the menu.
I've tried limiting the hotkey to the left alt in a number of ways but nothing fixes it.
Can you confirm if you see or don't see the same issue?
Thanks.
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5. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Jul 1, 2010 7:46 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)I've just tried using Alt + Scroll Wheel in CS5 12.0.1 (i.e., after the update), and I don't quite know whether this behavior has been changed, but I'm not seeing any problem continuing to work after the Alt-mouse wheel zoom operation. The File menu gets highlighted, but I seem to be able to continue editing as though nothing has been interrupted.
Unfortunately now I don't have a pre-update copy to test with, so I can't quite say whether anything subtle has changed.
So... Try the 12.0.1 update. See if it helps with what you're doing.
Remember to close Photoshop after starting the updater and before proceeding with the update.
-Noel
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6. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
TMagritte Jul 1, 2010 7:55 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)No, it's really messed up. Certain things will work fine, others will work after emitting an annoying Windows error beep. But the behaviour is definitely not correct. For instance, if I use alt+scroll to zoom in, then hit "L" to select the lasso tool, both the Lasso tool AND the Layers menu get selected, with the Layers menu opening up. This should definitely not happen and I can't recall ever seeing this type of behaviour with other applications where both a dedicated hotkey and a menu item are simultaneously activated. Or try alt+scroll to zoom, then ctrl+0 to zoom to fit. Doesn't work. The point is however hotkeys are being managed in CS5 has a serious bug in it which needs to be addressed by Adobe. It's just not working properly.
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7. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Jul 1, 2010 8:40 AM (in response to TMagritte)Agreed, I tried Alt-Scroll Wheel then Ctrl-0 and... Ding. Not working.
Seems like Adobe is trying to be too many things at once. It really needs a configuration item to disable the Windows accelerator key (Alt invokes menus) functionality.
-Noel
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8. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Jul 1, 2010 6:22 PM (in response to TMagritte)@TMagritte: I just tested and on my machine it works equally well with either Alt key. What keyboard layout and version of Windows are you using?
UPDATE: Just updated to 12.0.1 and re-tested, still works fine with either Alt key.
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9. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
elgger Jul 2, 2010 6:24 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)The AutoHotkey script worked for me, thanks for that workaround. It doesn't seem to create any issues with any other program so I've made a shortcut to the script in my Startup folder so I don't have to think about it anymore. I'd still really like Adobe to fix this though. Its clearly possible, as CS4 did it fine.
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10. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
TMagritte Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Actually, I use Autohotkey for other hotkeys and it looks like something else is interfering. If I disable my usual autohotkey scripts and run one that only includes the 2 hotkeys you suggested it does work fine using either alt button. So I guess I'll just have to troubleshoot my full script to figure out where the conflict is.
Thanks for your help!
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11. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
mustafa88 Sep 19, 2011 10:56 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)thanks Unsigned Code Lab u r genuis : ) worked for me (windows 7 x64)
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12. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
emil emil Jul 23, 2010 1:42 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)For me this is a very devastatingly annoying bug in SC5
To reproduce the problem. Make several changes and try to multiple undo (Alt + Ctrl + z) then (Shfit + Ctrl + z) and it will simply not work. In order to work you should press the keys carefully in this order (Ctrl + Alt + z). And it is not limited to this but in all hotkey that includes the Alt key - if you press Alt first you are screwed and to resume you have to press Alt again to toggle back and try again. This was not a problem with the previous versions and the hotkey combinations using Alt always worked as long as all keys are pressed regardless in what order. Now when using hotkey combinations that include Alt, I always have to send a look at the main menu to make sure there are no underlined letters by accidentally pressing the Alt key first.
By the way, regarding zooming, I like the new (Ctrl + Space bar + drag), great for my Wacom pen. It is also much more speedy and precise than mouse scrolling which zooms only at predefined steps.
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13. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Aug 10, 2010 7:54 AM (in response to mustafa88)Glad I could help!
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14. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Aug 10, 2010 7:55 AM (in response to emil emil)Yup, thats pretty much the whole point of this thread. Somehow between CS4 and CS5, Adobe broke the Alt-key handler.
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15. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 9:41 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)I've created a compiled, standalone version of the script for those who do not wish to (or cannot) install AutoHotkey. The download is a ZIP file, and includes the compiled executable as well as the script source.
[note by Moderator: use this link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/ as the others have expired]
fix_cs5_scrollbug.zip (expired link)
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16. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
The111 Sep 19, 2011 10:59 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Excellent work Unsigned Code Lab. I'd like to try AHK at some point, but too lazy/busy now so just used your standalone exe and it worked great!
I'm a little confused on how it actually works... i.e. "re-sending" the same command... seems like circular logic to me. But it does indeed work great for me too (w7 x64).
Pretty disappointing a glaring problem like this could slip through beta testing. I found it within my first 3 hours using the software... how could test users not find it as well?
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17. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Aug 28, 2010 8:32 PM (in response to The111)Thanks! Glad you found it useful.
On how the fix works:
The Alt key is normally used as a menu-selection key. When it is pressed and later released, it normally selects a menu item on the active window. In order to prevent the menu from being activated when Alt is used with the Mouse Wheel, CS5 would need to "trap" the Alt keystroke, and inform Windows that it is already handled. Instead, it appears to acknowledge the keystate (hence the zoom works the first time), but instead of marking the key "handled," the Alt code is still passed through to the Windows GUI handler, which then activates the File menu.
Windows applications have several different methods available for polling the keyboard state, with each one having slightly different 'rules' for how a "held-down-key" is reported, or whether "key-up"s are reported, or how a PHYSICAL keycode is reported, as opposed to a VIRTUAL keycode.
Apparently, the method used by CS5's GUI does not properly integrate PHYSICAL keystrokes with the Mouse Wheel polling, therefore leaving random "untrapped" Alt keystrokes.
By "trapping" the PHYSICAL keystrokes with AHK, and re-sending them as VIRTUAL keystrokes, we can work around this limitation, as CS5 handles the virtual keystrokes without a problem.
I also am disappointed, this is a very major GUI issue, and I cannot understand how it slipped past quality control. I am also disappointed that the 12.0.1 update did not fix this. I guess there's always 12.0.2.....
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18. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Aug 29, 2010 8:22 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)It does seem kind of odd that they had this figured out and working in prior versions, and now it's broken...
Is it possible Adobe "fixed" a problem with the Alt key not activating menus reported by people who want to access Photoshop menus with keyboard shortcuts (e.g., Alt-F-O for File Open)? If so, we should have hoped to see a configuration entry to govern the change in key response behavior.
It's helpful to keep in mind that Adobe's UI code compiles to run in both Windows and OSX (I'm sure some of it is conditional and/or from different files, but apparently quite a lot of it is common). Perhaps a fix for something unrelated on the "other side" broke this for Windows users.
-Noel
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19. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Xeon64 Aug 30, 2010 10:30 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)I would like to completely disable the alt menu functionality in Photoshop. I do not use it and find it very annoy when I am doing on serious cloning work.
Is there away I can use this AutoHotKey program to disable the alt menu in PS? It seems like it can but I am not familiar with the program. I made another posting on the forums because I was unaware there was a similar topic already.
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20. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 9:43 AM (in response to Xeon64)@Xeon64:
I've written another script that traps all such "Alt Key Up" codes in Photoshop and re-sends the equivalent Virtual keystroke.
I've tested this extensively and it should work.
As a 'side-effect' of this script, you will also get the effect of my previous fix (scrolling with Alt+MouseWheel will not trigger the menubar).
Pressing Alt by itself should now leave the menubar unactivated.
However, you can still use combos, for example, Alt+F will still open the File menu.
You can download either fix here, use ONLY the one you want:
[Note by moderator: use this link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/ as others have expired]
- Fix Alt+MouseWheel bug: fix_cs5_scrollbug.zip
- Disable menubar activation on Alt: no_photoshop_alt_menubar.zip (also includes the first fix, do not use both simultaneously)
Full source for both is included in the zips.
By the way Xeon, I actually like your idea, and am using the new (second) fix myself, on my Photoshop machine. I never use Photoshop without a mouse either, and it is (was?) an annoying 'feature'.
Technical info:
Windows itself actually responds differently to physical vs. virtual keystrokes. Since the Alt shortcut is a standard Windows GUI feature, trapping the physical "Alt Up" signal does the trick in this case. Basically instead of just trapping Alt when using the mouse wheel, we are trapping every Alt press.
Because this is a much more generic keyboard trap, I have configured it to operate ONLY when Photoshop is the foreground window. Otherwise, pressing and releasing the Alt key would have no effect on the menubar in ANY application.
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21. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
TMagritte Sep 2, 2010 8:29 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Interesting solution. Seems to work. Thanks!
If you have a spare minute (and a compatible mouse) I was wondering if you could try adding these:
XButton2 & Wheelup:: ; Zoom in
send !{Wheelup}
return
XButton2 & Wheeldown:: ; zoom Out
send !{Wheeldown}
returnThe idea being I can zoom in and out from the mouse without using the keyboard. Not really a big deal but on my system I find it just scrolls unless I move the wheel really fast. I'm wondering if it's something to do with my system or if you see the same behaviour.
Thanks!
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22. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Sep 3, 2010 5:51 AM (in response to TMagritte)@TMagritte:
I am confused as to the meaning of your post. I can see the value of being able to scroll using just the mouse, but I am not sure I understand what you mean by "on my system I find it just scrolls unless I move the wheel really fast".
That said, I have never had an issue with the zooming speed while using the Alt+MouseWheel (in any Photoshop version).
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23. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Xeon64 Sep 3, 2010 6:41 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Thank for the help. However the script is not working for me. I ran both the exe file and the tried the script with AutoHotkey. When I go into PS and hit alt the menu still activates and works with the letters underlined.
I am running. PS CS5 Version 12.0.1 64 bit and 32 bit on a Windows 7 64 bit ultimate.
This feature annoys me so much and is something that I have never been able to adjust to. It is just one of the many reasons I am considering a platform shift.
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24. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Sep 3, 2010 7:09 AM (in response to Xeon64)function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
Xeon64 wrote:
Thank for the help. However the script is not working for me. I ran both the exe file and the tried the script with AutoHotkey. When I go into PS and hit alt the menu still activates and works with the letters underlined.
Likewise, I tried it and found it to activate the menus as well.
-Noel
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25. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Sep 3, 2010 8:03 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)Hmmm, sorry about that.
What version of Windows are you using, Noel?
I will do some more testing and get back to you on this.
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26. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Sep 3, 2010 8:49 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Don't be sorry! You're doing everyone a great service in pursuing developing this!
I have Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, and I tested with Photoshop CS5 x64.
Just to make sure we're on the same page, Here's the sequence I went through:
1. I ran your no_photoshop_alt_menubar.exe, and verified it was resident with the Processes view in Task Manager.
2. I started Photoshop x64.
3. I pressed the Alt key and saw that the menus were still being activated.
4. I terminated the no_photoshop_alt_menubar.exe process.
-Noel
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27. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
TMagritte Sep 3, 2010 8:44 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)What I mean is adding the following code to the autohotkey script for photoshop:
XButton2 & Wheelup:: ; Zoom in
send !{Wheelup}
return
XButton2 & Wheeldown:: ; zoom Out
send !{Wheeldown}
returnThese hotkeys should launch when you hold down the XButton2 (browser forward button) on the mouse while turning the scrollwheel (rather than just turning the scrollwheel). The expected result is that instead of scrolling it should send an alt+scroll command which should result in zooming instead.
However, on my system when I hold down the forward button and turn the scrollwheel 1 or 2 ticks it behaves as if the button isn't held down (just scrolls normally). If I hold down the forward button and turn the wheel really quickly then it zooms as expected.
What I'm wondering is if this behaviour is unique to my system (I have quite a few autohotkey actions defined which may not all coexist peacefully) or if it has something more fundamental to do with the way Photoshop is seeing the alt key and mouse actions.
Thanks again!
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28. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Sep 4, 2010 4:07 AM (in response to TMagritte)@TMagritte: I think it may indeed be a hotkey conflict local to your machine, as I do not experience this issue when using your script to scroll with the mouse.
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29. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Sep 4, 2010 4:15 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)@Noel: I have a suspicion that Windows 7 may be responsible, as it continues to work fine on my other Windows computers. Since I don't have a Windows 7 machine on hand at the moment, this will make things slightly difficult. I will do a little research and see what I can come up with.
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30. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Sep 4, 2010 5:31 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)Score. Okay it actually appears to be related to a difference in the GUI handler in 64-bit editions of Windows. I ran it on Windows XP 64-bit and found it to fail there as well. I have come up with a solution for this however, and am currently doing testing on it before I release anything.
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31. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 9:44 AM (in response to Xeon64)Alright, I have updated the download with the new fix:
[note by Moderator: use this link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/ as the others have expired]
no_photoshop_alt_menubar.zip (expired)
This is very, very much more 'involved' than before. The full source is included, as usual, but here is the general rundown (also found just about verbatim in the source comments).
In order to suppress the Alt activation, we send an Esc signal after every single (by-itself, i.e., with no combo keys) AltUp signal.
There are two initial problems with this:
1) an Esc will cancel any drag or selection operation in progress
2) an Esc will cause the fullscreen mode (without menubars) to revert to normal screen mode
To account for these limitations, we only send the Esc signal if the following are true:
1) the primary mouse button is not down
2) we are not in the second fullscreen mode
3) no other keyboard button was pressed simultaneously
The hardest part was figuring out how to programmatically determine the Photoshop window mode (normal, first and second fullscreen modes). I have done this via a combination of a GUI control position and a single pixel check (as a last resort to differentiate between the two 'fullscreen' modes).
I have tested it on both 32-bit and 64-bit platforms, in the x32 and x64 versions of Photoshop, and it appears to work consistently. Let me know how your results go.
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32. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Xeon64 Sep 7, 2010 7:49 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Thanks for all the work you doing to alleviate this annoyance. Your current script is working perfect in the 32 bit version of PS CS5 on my Win 7 64 bit machine. However when I try it in the 64 bit version of PS CS5 I get the following results.
I run the no_photoshop_alt_menubar.exe, open PS CS5 64 bit, and then open a image file. The script works, no menubar. Then I close the open image and open a different image and the alt menu is reactivated. The no_photoshop_alt_menubar.exe has to be rerun for every new image opened in PS CS5 64 bit.
32 bit PS works fine. 64 bit PS almost works.
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33. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Sep 9, 2010 8:19 AM (in response to Xeon64)Glad to hear 32-bit is working, but I'm having some trouble duplicating your issue with the 64-bit. If possible, I'd like to get a little more information about what you are doing so as to better discover the source of the problem.
How are you opening the first file? Double-clicking the file? Pressing Ctrl+O? Using the File->Open menu?
How are you closing it? Ctrl+W? File->Close?
Are you using Photoshop in fullscreen mode? If so, which one (menubars or no)? If not, did you maximize it or not?
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34. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Xeon64 Sep 9, 2010 10:46 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)I can not get it to duplicate what was happening in my previous post. Right now everything seems random. I have a file open and go thorough different screen modes, maximize, minimize and some time it works and other times it does not. This is all done without having to restart the script. Does not matter if I open it with control O, double click, or open from the file menu. I can not seem to figure out a pattern anymore. This is all with the 64 version of PS.
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35. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
photty123 Sep 15, 2010 11:12 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Hello,
first Iwant to thank you very much for working on this, it is a real shame that this issue got past the adobe developers.
This question might be better suited for the illustrator forum, but I'll give it a try here anyway. Is there any way to get the same script to work with illustrator? Again thanks so much
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36. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Sep 15, 2010 12:33 PM (in response to Xeon64)I have been unable to duplicate your problem in XP x64, and unfortunately I do not have any Win7 x64 system available. Is it possible you have any other keyhook/macro programs running? Without a pattern to work with, I am somewhat at a loss.
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37. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 9:45 AM (in response to photty123)@photty123:
You can download the alt-zoom bug fix here: [Note by moderator: use this link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/ as the others have expired] fix_cs5_scrollbug.zip (expired)
It is application-independent, and should work with any Adobe CS5 product.
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38. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Xeon64 Sep 15, 2010 12:46 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)I do not think I have anything else running since I have never messed with these types of programs before now. It might be possible that my company has key loggers running. If they are they are not in the process viewer. Because if they were visible I would kill the process.
Thanks for all of you help another developer sent me an application that is working for me at the moment.
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39. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Sep 20, 2010 9:52 AM (in response to Xeon64)Great! Glad you found a solution.
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40. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Peter_Leo Oct 8, 2010 5:51 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Hi there i just got the same problem. The fix is working well, but it's not a perfect solution. So everybody has to start the Program and PS CS5 similar. Is there any new news about it? Maybe Adobe is working now for another update?
Some informations would be great!
Greetings
Pete
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41. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
photty123 Oct 8, 2010 1:48 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Again I really want to thank you for working on this and sharing your work. The fix was working great for me, but my old computer was not too happy with the CS5 programs ( running really slow ), so I decided to go back to CS3. I will definetily use the fix once I get a better computer and can run CS5 again.
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42. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Oct 9, 2010 9:51 PM (in response to Peter_Leo)I understand your frustration. It is not a perfect solution by any means, more of a workaround at best. I am not aware of any effort by Adobe to fix this issue yet.
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43. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Peter_Leo Oct 10, 2010 3:47 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)The thing is that i and all the other paid a lot of money for a professional software. So many got this issue so i am asking myself where adobe is? PS CS5 should get an instant update if such a big problem appears as descibed.
I really think forward and hope some of Adobes staff are reading this.
However for now again a big thanks for this awesome tool! My respect belongs to you for that!
All the best
Pete
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44. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Peter_Leo Dec 7, 2010 2:48 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Just for Info, the Alt+Scroll Bug still happens, the new Patch didn't solved the Problem. I am very happy being a customer from such a great company! /Sarcasm off
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45. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 9:46 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Thanks to jcmds for alerting me that the drop.io file hosting had gone offline.
I've re-uploaded the fix files as follows:
[note by Moderator: use this link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/ as the others have expired]
Scrollbug Fix (disables Alt-menu activation with mouse-wheel): http://www.filedropper.com/fixcs5scrollbug
Disable Alt Menu (32-bit ONLY, may be the most robust option for 32-bit): http://www.filedropper.com/old32-bitonlynophotoshopaltmenubar
Disable Alt Menu 2 (supports both 32-bit & 64-bit editions): http://www.filedropper.com/nophotoshopaltmenubar_1
Remember that you can still use Alt+F to open the file menu, you must simply press them TOGETHER (pressing Alt by itself does nothing).
If you prefer to completely disable the Alt menu, and you have a 32-bit system, you may want to test both versions of the fix and use the one that works best with your configuration.
Happy holidays everyone!
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46. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
703Lime Jan 26, 2011 7:51 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Could someone upload this again? The links are down.
Thanks in advance!
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47. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Peter_Leo Feb 20, 2011 9:46 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)since adobe doesn't cares about service here the link to the file: [note by Moderator: use this link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/ as the others have expired] http://uploaded.to/file/8i07sw
thanks to that brilliant guy we are still able to use our PS as in former (better) times.
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48. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 9:47 AM (in response to Peter_Leo)Thanks for re-upping ayre_pete:) I've gone ahead and re-mirrored all the files again.
<<evil poup/popunder URLs removed>>
[note by Moderator: use this link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/ as the others have expired]
To anyone who's not sure which one to use, if you got to this thread you're probably looking for the first one.
Take a look at my previous few posts if you have questions about how they work.
Good luck:)
If you use this fix, you might consider submitting a bug report here so that Adobe will (hopefully) look into providing a more permanent, long-term solution.
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49. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Sep 19, 2011 10:58 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Unsigned Code Lab, it's great that you've provided this tool, but the site you've used to host the download is horrendous! It tries to pop up all kinds of nasty stuff.
-Noel
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50. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 7, 2011 5:50 PM (in response to Noel Carboni)You have my apologies Noel, my web browser is set to allow Javascript on a whitelist-only basis and I was unaware of that issue. I'll re-up them to a different host as soon as I can.
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51. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 9:39 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)[note by Moderator: use this link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/ as the others have expired]
Yet another re-mirror to a hopefully less ad-prone host:)
Fix CS5 Scrollbug: http://www.filesavr.com/Y2U2S4VQWVLJH5I
Disable Alt Menu (32-bit): http://www.filesavr.com/Z25SLHB6UKCNKVF
Disable Alt Menu (64-bit): http://www.filesavr.com/9UGZ0UQRKPPZ9GK
To anyone who's not sure which one to use, if you got to this thread you're probably looking for the first one.
Take a look at my previous few posts if you have questions about how they work.
Good luck:)
If you use this fix, you might consider submitting a bug report here so that Adobe will (hopefully) look into providing a more permanent, long-term solution.
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52. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Andrewsilverart Sep 19, 2011 10:55 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Thanks to Unsigned Code Lab for all the hard work on this problem.
Looks like Filesavr.com has lost the files though. Looking back through previous posts it looks like a number of file hosts have been unreliable. Unsigned Code Lab
is there any way you could reupload them either there or somewhere else? Or if you provide me with the .zip files I would be happy to host them from my own website with a note stating that all of the credit goes to you, of course.
Best,
Andrew Silver
www.andrewsilverart.com
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53. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 6:27 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Okay everyone, I have moved this project's hosting to SourceForge, the main page is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/
To ensure happiness all around, I have licensed the source under the FreeBSD license (you can do anything with it so long as you credit my work). Oh, and you can't hold me responsible if your computer blows up for some reason
I'll still watch this thread in order to provide support and assistance, bug-reports, etc, but all file releases will be confined to SourceForge from now on.
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54. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
PECourtejoie Sep 19, 2011 10:55 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Unsigned Code Lab , sourceforge seems like the ideal place to put your scripts.
Do you want me to edit and replace all the previous links with this one, to avoid confusion by users that might not read the whole thread?
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55. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Feb 20, 2011 7:32 AM (in response to PECourtejoie)PECourtejoie, thank you! That would be greatly appreciated.
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56. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
PECourtejoie Feb 20, 2011 9:48 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)It's done. Glad to be of help!
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57. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Smorgasbord9 Aug 20, 2011 7:45 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Just posting here for the sake of anyone who needs to PM me, DON'T PM this old username. Use the new one instead (which I will post on immediately following this post).
Long story short, Adobe's forum screenname system is a little buggy (to say the least). Combine that with a possibly compromised email.....yeaaa lets just roll a new username.
So, if you need me, PM me at the NEW screenname, posted below.
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58. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Unsigned Code Labs Aug 20, 2011 7:45 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)This is my new screenname, reach me here if you need me.
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59. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Unsigned Code Labs Sep 19, 2011 11:00 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Hit 300 total downloads sometime last weekend. That's a lot of customers who don't like this bug (and a lot of representative cash). I can't believe Adobe hasn't fixed this yet.
Anyhow, the lack of feedback must mean nobody's having problems with the fix, which is good. No news is good news right?
If you should have a problem, post here or contact me through the SF support page (link below).
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs5altfix/support
[Btw, for those who may have missed my namechange (scroll up a few posts), I am the original poster. That was a random sequence typed into the name box when I first joined to post on these forums, however I usually go by "Unsigned" or U.C.L. in the software community. Following an email hijack, I rerolled this new account.]
Regards,
Unsigned Code Labs
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60. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Peter_Leo Sep 9, 2011 12:50 AM (in response to Unsigned Code Labs)Im still waiting for a bugfix.
But Adobe still ignores us.
Still ignores the money we put on that software "TO DEVELOP IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL"!
but it seems they just ignoring us.
I get mad! Mad about the quality PS went to.
Why there aren't more people just joining that conversation to show that this should be fixed.
Still no bugfixes, but instead they are releasing a CS Suite 5.5 with even more bugs to fill their pockets again.
I wont stop to fight until someone of them will mute me.
then i will just register another account and continue until that freaking bug is fixed.
where is the fairness?
A really angry customer.
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61. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Sep 9, 2011 7:56 AM (in response to Peter_Leo)ayre_pete wrote:
Why there aren't more people just joining that conversation to show that this should be fixed.
I'm sorry you find it so irritating, but since you ask the above question I have to say I have just not run into a problem because of the Alt key handling in my actual use of Photoshop CS5. Maybe it just has to do with the way I combine my use of the keyboard into the UI, or maybe it's manifesting a little differently on different systems (e.g., timing-wise).Per my participation in this thread earlier, I could (and can) reproduce the issue just as listed, but as I said, it's just not hampering my Photoshop usage in practice.
I should mention Alt key introduction of menu shortcut keys is considered a standard Windows accessibility feature, and there's another active thread in this same forum in which people are demanding Adobe do MORE to implement accessibility features.
I get the feeling Adobe's walking a tightrope here.
-Noel
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62. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Xeon64 Sep 9, 2011 11:26 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)As a former Mac user for 10 plus years who was forced to use a PC for the past 6 years by corporate america I absolutly detest the alt menu function. I hit alt then change my mind about what I was going to do then go to hit F to change view mode and it opens the FILE menu!
Simple solution is to ad a function under preferences to turn this aweful feature off. This would be very helpful for former Mac users. I do not know too many PC designers who are not former Mac users.
Please just ad a function to turn this off for the entire creative suit. Heck I even have the Windows key disabled because it was another annoying windows feature. That was fixed with a registry entry. I wonder if the same could be done for alt menu functionality of windows. Maybe Microsoft should be contact about this enable and disable in Windows.... j/k....like they would listen either.
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63. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
jmarrrrr Sep 19, 2011 3:30 PM (in response to Unsigned Code Labs)I attempted to use the 'disable_alt' version to no avail. I'm running Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, and I get the following error when I run the .exe.
Error at line 107.
Line Text: $LAlt & F11::
Error: Invalid hotkey.
The program will exit.
Other than scrolling/zooming, I have no use for the alt key, but I'm going to try the other versions of the script to see if I have any luck.
Is there something I'm missing? Like the programs have to be opened in a certain order?
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64. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
jmarrrrr Sep 19, 2011 3:37 PM (in response to jmarrrrr)Ok, after some more messing around, I found the following.
Under edit > preferences > general (ctrl + k), I checked Zoom with scroll wheel. I hit ok. I then found that using ctrl+scroll works just like alt+scroll in other versions.
I'm going to leave it at that.
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65. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Unsigned Code Labs Sep 23, 2011 7:00 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)I get the feeling Adobe's walking a tightrope here.
As a software developer myself, I feel their pain...to some extent. The fact is that the CS5 workflow, in regards to this functionality, is NOT backwards-compatible with CS4 or even CS3.
New features are all very well, but should never come at the expense of possibly alienating the existing userbase. At the very least, a non-default option to provide the old CS4 Alt behavior would be infinitely preferrable.
Obviously not everybody used the Alt key in this way, yet to break such a long-standing feature (even with the dubious excuse of accessibility or catering to "new" users), is never a good idea.
Am I going to quit using Photoshop in protest? No. But will I be less excited and less likely to buy the next CS version? Yes.
In fact, did I not love the Content-Aware filling so much, I would likely still use CS4 exclusively. Barring some ground-breaking new feature that I can't live without, I do not plan to upgrade immediately when the time comes (the first time I feel that way in many years). Adobe has just made marketing to me that much more difficult
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66. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Noel Carboni Sep 23, 2011 7:24 AM (in response to Unsigned Code Labs)I'm in agreement. Though this particular Alt key pain didn't manifest in my backside, I did go through it when Photoshop CS4 came out, because I hated the concept of tabbed editing. I much preferred the multiple window approach - right up to the point where I was forced (because of a Genuine Fractals plug-in issue) to use tabbed editing for a few weeks. Once the plug-in problem was fixed I re-evaluated where I was and I found that I didn't mind using tabbed view at all - in fact I preferred it and I have stuck with it to this day. A few subtle things are just subtly easier with this method.
The point is that I'm sure I would NEVER have switched from the multi-window method to the tabbed method had I not forced myself to use the latter.
Just as a counterpoint to myself, if Adobe had continued to refine the multi-window method (and maybe not broken some things that have gotten worse since the early CS versions) I don't see why tabbed view would ever have been needed.
But here's the kicker: It seems that more and more modern systems are going to a "one thing at a time" view. Tabbed Photoshop, tabbed browsers, portable devices with only one app on the screen at one time... Research has shown that many people reach a cognitive overload with multiple windows.
I think that, unlike professionals who work at a high level with their computers, the general public finds that the complexity we crave is a distraction or is too hard to use. It's not unlike giving a high school orchestra student a Stradivarius. It might actually be harder to play and it would certainly be harder to take care of, and though a virtuoso would find it superior, it's the wrong instrument for the masses.
All that said, the software manufacturers need to maintain the things real professionals need and provide OPTIONS for dumbing the software down for the masses. Set it to "simple user" mode by default and let those of us who need the power reconfigure it to do things as virtuosos.
-Noel
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67. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Xeon64 Sep 23, 2011 7:30 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)I like your idea in the last paragraph. A lot of antivirus software has what you mention. A simple UI for your average consumer and a advanced UI for professionals. I do not think Adobe will do that thou. They already have photoshop elements for you none professional editor.
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68. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
eidammm Dec 13, 2011 1:06 PM (in response to Smorgasbord9)thanks for the fix
just to inform you: in photoshop it works great, but in illustrator the zooming is not 'smooth' - this means that it only zooms after some delay (could be 100? 200ms?) and i don't know why.
however, it's still more convenient than the stuck key... (nudge nudge, Adobe)
//edit - i'm using cs5 (not 5.5) pack on win7 x64
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69. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Zoffix222 Feb 8, 2012 7:27 AM (in response to Smorgasbord9)Thanks for the script, but I find that it provides a "one-shot deal". E.g. I press Alt+Scroll, then I stop, and if I try to scroll again, I have to re-press ALT. On large projects it takes a second for zooming to happen (in InDesign), and I don't know in advance how much to scroll :/
Has anyone found a solution for that?
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70. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
CreativeHousewares Apr 25, 2014 12:40 AM (in response to Zoffix222)I couldn't find the fix anywhere and previous AutoHotkey fixes never fixed everything, so I tried creating my own, for those who still have this problem, this fix seems to work in Photoshop, Indesign and Illustrator:
Add this to a new AutoHotkey script and then run it:
Alt::
KeyWait, Alt
Send, {Alt}
Send, {Alt Up}
;soundbeep, 500, 500
return
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71. Re: Alt + Scroll activates menu in CS5?
Atiqur Sumon Apr 25, 2014 2:48 AM (in response to Peter_Leo)You can try this Alt+Space+Click Mosue .




