15 Replies Latest reply on Jul 6, 2010 8:06 AM by nealeh

    8.0.1 still crashing...

    ekfletch

      Even after reading and following the article "Frequent and inexplicable crashes with Premiere Elements 8" I am still not able to keep PE8 from crashing.

       

      Are there any other suggestion?

       

      This is what I have...

       

      OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
      Version 6.1.7600 Build 7600
      System Manufacturer Gateway
      System Model GM5094E
      System Type x64-based PC
      Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, 2200 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
      BIOS Version/Date Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG, 3/30/2006

      Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB

      Name NVIDIA GeForce 6100
      Adapter Type GeForce 6100, NVIDIA compatible
      Adapter Description NVIDIA GeForce 6100
      Adapter RAM 128.00 MB (134,217,728 bytes)
      Installed Drivers nvd3dumx.dll,nvd3dum
      Driver Version 8.17.12.5721
      Resolution 1280 x 1024 x 60 hertz
      Bits/Pixel 32
      Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\nvlddmkm.sys (8.17.12.5721, 12.44 MB (13,039,336 bytes), 7/3/2010 6:29 PM)

      Thanks for any help!

       

      ekfletch

        • 1. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
          the_wine_snob Level 9

          That is a good start on the computer. Can you tell us about your I/O sub-system, i.e. your HDD's, their size, speed, free space, controller type and how you have them allocated?

           

          What is your Project Preset (chosen at time of New Project)?

           

          Can you tell us about your Assets, your source footage?

           

          What are you doing, when you get the crashes?

           

          Any error messages?

           

          Have you:

           

          Updated your audio and video drivers?

          Updated QuickTime Player?

           

          Not sure what that article suggests, but can you give us an outline of what you did try, that did not work? That might help us not give you the same info all over again. Just not familiar with that article.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
            John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

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            • 3. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
              ekfletch Level 1

              Thanks Hunt!  I appriciate any help you can give.

               

              The article suggested (and I made the changes) as follows:

               

              Solution 1: Update to Premiere Elements 8.0.1

              Solution 2: Update the graphic card driver

              Solution 3: Disable graphics hardware acceleration (did not do this because the option is grayed out on my system)

              Solution 4: Use the Nvidia Control Panel to set 'Threaded Optimization' to off.

              Solution 5: Switch off 'Enable GPU Playback'.

              Solution 6: Re-create the Premiere Elements PluginCache.

              Solution 7: Uninstall the Nvidia 3D Stereoscopic 3D drivers. (This was not installed on my system)

               

              I/O:

               

              Description Disk drive C
              Manufacturer (Standard disk drives)
              Model WDC WD3200BB-00KEA0 ATA Device 7200 RPM
              Bytes/Sector 512
              Media Loaded Yes
              Media Type Fixed hard disk
              Partitions 1
              SCSI Bus 0
              SCSI Logical Unit 0
              SCSI Port 0
              SCSI Target ID 1
              Sectors/Track 63
              Size 298.09 GB (320,070,320,640 bytes)
              Total Cylinders 38,913
              Total Sectors 625,137,345
              Total Tracks 9,922,815
              Tracks/Cylinder 255
              Partition Disk #1, Partition #0
              Partition Size 298.09 GB (320,070,483,968 bytes)

              Free Space 42.37 GB (45,494,259,712 bytes)
              Partition Starting Offset 1,048,576 bytes
               
              Description Disk drive S
              Manufacturer (Standard disk drives)
              Model WDC WD5000AAKB-00H8A0 ATA Device 7200 RPM
              Bytes/Sector 512
              Media Loaded Yes
              Media Type Fixed hard disk
              Partitions 1
              SCSI Bus 0
              SCSI Logical Unit 0
              SCSI Port 0
              SCSI Target ID 0
              Sectors/Track 63
              Size 465.76 GB (500,105,249,280 bytes)
              Total Cylinders 60,801
              Total Sectors 976,768,065
              Total Tracks 15,504,255
              Tracks/Cylinder 255
              Partition Disk #0, Partition #0
              Partition Size 465.76 GB (500,104,691,712 bytes)

              Free Space 228.43 GB (245,275,664,384 bytes)
              Partition Starting Offset 1,048,576 bytes

               

              Quick Time version is 7.65.17.80

               

               

              Project Presets:

               

              Capture7.JPG

               

              Capture8.JPG

               

              Capture9.JPG

              Source is both JPG and MTS also WAV and MP3.

               

              When it crashed I had hit the PLAY/PAUSE toggle in the Monitor pane to play about 15 seconds of the project… 

               

              Crash Data:

               

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              <!DOCTYPE crashreport SYSTEM "AdobeCrashReporter.dtd">

              <crashreport version="1.1" crVersion="3.0.20090804" applicationName="Adobe Premiere Elements" applicationVersion="8. 0. 1. 0" build="unknown">

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              <crash exception="EXCEPTION_INT_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO" instruction="0x0028081b">

              <backtrace crashedThread="0">

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              <stackStatement index="0" address="0x0028081b" symbolname="ASL::WaitableObject::WaitableObject"/>

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              • 4. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                the_wine_snob Level 9

                Thank you for the info.

                 

                So, you have 2 physical HDD's, your C:\ and your S:\, and neither is partitioned into logical drives. Both are internals. Is this correct?

                 

                Now, I am assuming that you have C:\ set up with your OS, your programs, and probably your Page File, and your media, Projects and Scratch Disks on S:\. Is that correct?

                 

                Your Project is HDV, but your AV Assets (your source AV files), but I am not sure that your MTS files use the HDV CODEC. Can you confirm that they do?

                 

                What is the pixel x pixel size of your JPEG's?

                 

                As an observation, Adobe programs have issues with MP3's, and I always convert all of those to PCM/WAV @ 48KHz 16-bit, prior to Import.

                 

                Are your WAV files PCM, or Linear WAV?

                 

                When you look in Event Viewer, in both System and Processes, what do the warning and error messages, at the time of the crash, point to? This ARTICLE will give you tips on locating clues.

                 

                I am sure that others will see things that I have missed, and will have other questions, or suggestions.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                  ekfletch Level 1

                  "So, you have 2 physical HDD's, your C:\ and your S:\, and neither is partitioned into logical drives. Both are internals. Is this correct?"

                   

                  That is correct...

                   

                  "Now, I am assuming that you have C:\ set up with your OS, your programs, and probably your Page File, and your media, Projects and Scratch Disks on S:\. Is that correct?"

                   

                  That is correct...

                   

                  "Your Project is HDV, but your AV Assets (your source AV files), but I am not sure that your MTS files use the HDV CODEC. Can you confirm that they do?"

                   

                  The MTS files were taken with my Canon Vixia HFS20 AVCHD in SP mode (1440 x 1080).

                   

                  "What is the pixel x pixel size of your JPEG's?"

                   

                  They were taken with several different cameras: 4000 x 3000, 1536 x 2048, 720 x 540

                   

                  "As an observation, Adobe programs have issues with MP3's, and I always convert all of those to PCM/WAV @ 48KHz 16-bit, prior to Import."

                   

                  I removed the MP3 and it still crashes.

                   

                  "Are your WAV files PCM, or Linear WAV?"

                   

                  I'm not sure.  I exported the audio portion of some MTS and saved them from PE as WAV...

                   

                   

                  "When you look in Event Viewer, in both System and Processes, what do the warning and error messages, at the time of the crash, point to? This ARTICLE will give you tips on locating clues."

                   

                  I'm not seeing any errors or warnings.

                   

                  Just as a side note...  I have PE8 also installed on my Dell D630 laptop (I won't go into the specs.) and it is also crashing in the same way as my desktop.

                  • 6. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                    the_wine_snob Level 9
                    The MTS files were taken with my Canon Vixia HFS20 AVCHD in SP mode (1440 x 1080).

                     

                     

                    OK, AVCHD is not the same as HDV. Try establishing an AVCHD Project for that footage. Note that if you record with DD 5.1 SS, there is a special Preset for that. If 2-channel, then use that.

                     

                     

                    They were taken with several different cameras: 4000 x 3000, 1536 x 2048, 720 x 540

                     

                    Scale these to match your Project Frame Size, or slightly over, if you want to Pan on a Zoomed out still. This ARTICLE will give you tips and also some background.

                     

                     

                    I'm not seeing any errors or warnings.

                     

                    If Event Viewer is not showing any warning or error messages in either System or Applications, look down that article for The Case of the Unexplained. It is an interesting video, and will give you all sorts of tips on utilities to troubleshoot.

                     

                    If you have not seen this ARTICLE, it might give you some tips on setting up your computer for a video-editing session.

                     

                    Good luck,

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                      ekfletch Level 1

                      Okay, now I'm confuesd...

                       

                      I went back and started a new project.  I selected the preset for AVCHD HD 1080i 30 (1440 x 1080) as shown below.

                       

                       

                       

                      Capture10.JPG

                       

                      Then after opening the project I looked at the Project Presets from the Edit menu and they look the SAME as the original project (the same as I posted in my previous post).  I'm not sure which of the "Available Presets" I choose when I started the previous project but the the "Project Presets" look exactly the same.

                       

                       

                      Capture11.JPG

                       

                      As a matter of fact the "Project Presets" from the edit menu look the same even after creating a project using the "HDV 1080i 30" available preset.

                       

                      What am I missing here?  Where do I go to see ANY differences in project presets after the project has be created?

                       

                      Thanks again for helping me understand!

                       

                      EKFletcher

                      • 8. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                        Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                        As Hunt says, AVCHD video is very different than HDV video. It may not be obvious from the specs -- but they use very different codecs (compression systems). AVCHDs use a very sophisticated H.264 codec.

                         

                        There are also two types of AVCHDs: Square pixel 1920x1080 and anamorphic pixel 1440x1080. They also may include either stereo or 5.1 audio. But it's very important that you choose the correct setting for your project or the video won't be properly "digested" by the program -- and that can cause problems. Especially for AVCHD files, since they're very challenging to work with anyway.

                        • 9. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                          the_wine_snob Level 9
                          Where do I go to see ANY differences in project presets after the project has be created?

                           

                          You can see the specs. in Project, but once you have created the Project, it is pretty much done. If you chose the wrong settings, you need to create the correct Project and start over.

                           

                          This setting of the Project Preset needs to match your source footage exactly, or one will have issues at some point.

                           

                          Some have had luck by hacking the PREL (Project file), but some have had some bad things happen. There are several threads on doing the hacking. If you are brave, and go that route, then make sure to do a Save_As_a_Copy, and only hack on that, not your original PREL file.

                           

                          Good luck,

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                            ekfletch Level 1

                            I'm sorry.  I'm still not clear on this.

                             

                            If I were to open a project using the preset for AVCHD HD1080i 30 and then open a project using the preset for HDV 1080i 30...  Where would I go to see the differences (after the project is already created) within the project?  What would I see as the differences?

                             

                            The reason I ask this is, I have done this and I DO NOT see any difference listed in the two Project Settings.

                             

                            EKFletcher.

                            • 11. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                              nealeh Level 5

                              Edit> ProjectSettings> General> Editing Mode

                               

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                              Neale
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                              • 12. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                                the_wine_snob Level 9

                                To see the particulars of an existing Project, go to Edit>Project Settings and look there.

                                 

                                Many of the differences will show up when you Import the wrong Assets into a Project not designed for them.

                                 

                                Good luck,

                                 

                                Hunt

                                • 13. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                                  ekfletch Level 1

                                  Thanks nealeh and Hunt...

                                   

                                  But Editing Mode is the same (HDV 1080i) for both presets.  I can tell no difference between the presets for AVCHD HD1080i 30 and HDV 1080i 30 by looking at the Project Settings.

                                   

                                  Sorry for my frustration...  So what I am being told is that the only way to tell that I have the project setting set incorrectly is to wait for PE to crash. There are no properties to tell me otherwise.

                                   

                                  EKFletcher

                                  • 14. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                                    Unless you are a coder/programmer, you will not see much beyond the names in the drop downs. However, that does not negate the fact that they are different, and that is why Adobe offers both. If you have AVCHD material, THAT is the Preset that you should use, and not HDV. Those are very different formats, and the Presets allow for those differences. One's Project Preset must match the source footage 100%, or problems will arise. Those might be minor, or might bring things to a screeching halt.

                                     

                                    Good luck,

                                     

                                    Hunt

                                    • 15. Re: 8.0.1 still crashing...
                                      nealeh Level 5

                                      HDV:

                                      hdv.png

                                       

                                      HD:

                                      hd.png

                                      Cheers,
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                                      Neale
                                      Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children