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1. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 7:15 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin) -
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Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 7:20 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin) -
3. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Ian Lyons Jul 12, 2010 7:22 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)In Lightroom, try increasing the Basic panel Fill Light slider until shadows are lifted to appropriate level
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4. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 7:30 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)The use of LEVELS shown in the previous Post results in a photo that shows much more details and has more contrasts in the bright portion of the photo. But unfortunately, use of LEVELS resuilts also in darks that become much too dark.
2) To address these "too dark darks", I then use the KODAK SHO Professional plugin as follows:
2a): I use the "Threshold slider" of the SHO plugin, to select that range of dark that I want to make brighter. This (=the range of darks that shall become brighter) is the "black" portion of the "Black and White" Preview section in the previous screen snapshot.
2b) Then I use the "Shadows slider" of the SHO plugin to decide by how much I shall make the darks brighter (I typivcally also need to adjust the "Saturation slider" of the SHO plugin to avoid an unreasonable oversaturation of the darks that become brighter)
This is shown in the next screensnapshot.
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5. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 7:32 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin) -
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Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 7:41 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)The combined use of PSE "LEVELS" and KODAK SHO PRO that I have shown above is something that I do very often with photos containing both dark and bright parts.
Sometimes, I need to do some additional editing editing. For example, in the example shown in these Posts, I did the following additional editing after my use of "LEVELS" and "KODAK SHO Pro", because the resulting photo was too dull:
- I increased the contrast
- and i then increased the vibrance.
I will appreciate very much to learn from an expereinced LR user, how something similar can be done with LR.
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I am now done with my multi-post questions/descriptions (but I still need to verify the details of my posting)
Thank you very much in advance
Robert Eckerlin
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7. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Ian Lyons Jul 12, 2010 7:44 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)See post 3
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8. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Jonathon LeFaive Jul 12, 2010 8:02 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)As Ian said, the fill light will bring up the shadows. exposure will bring down the highlights. Then use curves to add contrast aftwards. you can also use the contrast slider in place of cuves if your looking for SIMPLE.
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9. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
pbelarge Jul 12, 2010 8:03 AM (in response to Ian Lyons)Have you tried the brushes yet? Possibly do some global editing with exposure and then use the brushes.
Not to advertise, but NIK plug-in for LR has control points with their software that makes this type of editing a little easier and very precise.
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10. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 8:03 AM (in response to Ian Lyons)Thanks Ian for Your answer.
But unfortunately the proposed action does not help me sufficiently.
With my concrete photo, I can shift the "Fill Light" slider only to the right ....and this does not help at all to show more results in the "bright" portion of my Photo.
If after shifting the "Fill Light" slider, I decrease the Brightness and/or the Exposure, I can increase the amount of details in the bright portion of the photo.... but i am not able (the blame can be on me) to achieve comparable results to what I can achieve with the combination of PSE and KODAK SHO Pro.
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11. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Lee Jay-ZyZk56 Jul 12, 2010 8:04 AM (in response to Jonathon LeFaive)Yes, I also use -exposure and +fill light for this, sometimes with +recovery as well and/or some fidding with the tone curve if necessary. Sometimes a lot of fill-light will result in the need to add +blacks as well.
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12. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 8:12 AM (in response to pbelarge)Thanks P. Belarge for your answer.
With the "NIK" plugin are refering to the VIVEZA Product of NIK? Or are you refering to another product?
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13. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
pbelarge Jul 12, 2010 8:19 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)Viveza2 is just one of the products. I blindly purchased the Complet Collection for LR. I had no idea what I was doing when I did it, all I knew at the time was it made $$ sense, as the collection (5 products) was cost effective compared to purchasing 1 product. Now several weeks later I am very happy I did purchase the collection - very much worth the investment - why? I am not an editing whiz and this product makes it a lot easier.
**Note:
Have you tried bracketing for better results when photographing a high dynamic range situation?
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14. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 8:25 AM (in response to Lee Jay-ZyZk56)Thanks Lee and Jonathon for your assistance.
Even if what you mention somehow help: I am not able to achive with them results that are comparable to what I can achieve with the combination of PSE "LEVELS" and Kodak SHO Pro.
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15. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 8:31 AM (in response to pbelarge)P. Belarge
Last year I started to use bracketing. But unfortunately, this is problematic with moving subjects.
My current camera (a NIKON D 5000 that I love) has an ADL feature (Active D-Lighting) that is helpfull in situations with high-contrast.... but unfortunately there are still a lot of cases, where ADL is not sufficient.
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16. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
ssprengel Jul 12, 2010 8:54 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)In your example picture, the haze over the mountains adds depth and helps set-off the subjects from the more distant background; therefore, it is not necessarily a bad thing.
LR does not have pixel-level masking so if you insist on that you would want to use Elements + Kodak plug-in as the Edit In editor for LR.
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17. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
web-weaver Jul 12, 2010 8:55 AM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)The Fill Light slider brings the shadows up and the Recovery slider brings the highlights down.
Also, in LR3 the Curves is different from LR 2 in so far as you now can pull up or down both ends of the curve vertically. This was not possible in LR 2.
Grab the little circle at the left / bottom end of the curve and pull it up vertically. That will lighten your blacks / shadows. Grab the little circle at the right / top end of the curve tool and pull it down. That will darken your highlights. This process will make your image look a bit flat; if so, increase contrast by giving the curve a gentle S-form.
Directly below the curves tool you have the option to choose between "linear', "medium contrast', or "strong contrast'. If you choose one of the latter two, the end points of the curve will snap back to zero but the curve will have a curve (no pun).
Also, in case your image does not have enough contrast, instead of using the contrast slider, you can pull the end points of the curve horizontally.
Apart from these image-wide changes you can make local changes with the adjustment brush or with graduated filter. I often use the gard filter to give a little "ooomph" to the sky by setting exposure (for the grad filter) to -0.66. Similarly you can lighten the shadows with a grad filter by giving it an + exposure and/or increasing brightness. Make sure that the grad filter doesn't give you a color toning - unless you want it. With a color toning you can make your shadows less blue (by choosing yellow toning) and your sky more blue (by choosing a blue toning). Naturally you'd need 2 different grad filters for that; you can't have 2 different settings in one grad filter.
ErnstK
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18. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Robert Eckerlin Jul 12, 2010 9:03 AM (in response to web-weaver)Thank You very much Ssprengel and Web-Weaver
At this time, I do not yet have LR 3 (I only have LR-2). But I will remember to try the new LR 3 curves, once I will have installed LR 3.
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19. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
b_gossweiler Jul 12, 2010 4:10 PM (in response to Robert Eckerlin)Robert Eckerlin wrote:
P. Belarge
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My current camera (a NIKON D 5000 that I love) has an ADL feature (Active D-Lighting) that is helpfull in situations with high-contrast.... but unfortunately there are still a lot of cases, where ADL is not sufficient.
IIRC, be aware of the fact that Active D-Lighting only affects the JPEG written by your camera, not the RAW.
Some Nikon shooter might be able to confirm/deny this.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland
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20. Re: How can I do something similar with Lightroom
Nick Walker Jul 13, 2010 1:27 AM (in response to b_gossweiler)I can confirm from my own testing that 'active' D lighting (ADL) does affect the RAW data - either on the sensor or in the Expeed processor to lock-in the information in the RAW file - Lightroom tests. I understand, although never tested, that earlier generation D lighting (D2X) was a software only after affect.
ADL is useful for jpegs but I wouldn't use it for RAW unless I had a heap of RAW files to produce that were all mundane shots where supplementary lighting was not allowed or practicable.
ADL requires much testing. At higher settings it noticeably clips highlights (RAW - often recoverable) in comparison to the same camera settings (manual settings) that expose to within minus 1/10th of a stop ETTR.
ADL will also slightly increase noise in the shadow areas.









