Nir, it looks good, but I miss a couple of internal SATA disks for your projects, media and scratch.
Harm, Tahnks for the quick replay.
i want to buy 2-3 more disk.
do you have any recommendations?
what do i need to check before buying?
and about the GTX 460 1GB, is it wotk with Premiere CS5 ?
Samsung Spinpoint F3. We know the 470/480 work with the hack. No data yet on the 460.
Was wondering how the group feels this system will handle the following AFTER a few more drives are added...
DV: Poor - OK - Well - Great
HDV: Poor - OK - Well - Great
AVCHD: Poor - OK - Well - Great
Considered an iMac?
imac? very bad option no way to add drives and 3 drives is bare minimum
Imac's got Firewire 800 and there's always the Mac Pro..
firewire 800? as i said the imac cant add drives
firewire is not an acceptable drive thruput.. evn in DV days i found them too slow, USB same thing.
the imac 27 (with i7 not mobile)
would be a nice system if it had even an esata or Express slot to add esata.
its only good for photoshop work.
Mac PRO? LOL i wont even go there other than to say CS5 on windows runs far better than on Apple OS.
but yes a Mac Pro is the minimum spec for Video within the Apple product line.
FYI i am an Apple dealer.
Damn straight, Mac's are good if you want something over priced, under performing and looks pretty sitting in the corner of the room. From what I understand, your system is very much the same as what I will be getting and the word is that it should be very good for DV and HDV and acceptable for AVCHD. AVCHD on my quad core (Q6600) brought it to it's knees hence me doing the upgrade, 64 bit PPCS5 12GB ram and a real quad (930) should hopefully tame it and put the ball back into my court.
Just a thought, I have been using the Cineform codec to render HDSLR/AVCHD/HDV footage and have found it makes a huge difference in editing performance (as well as converting to 4.2.2 colour space and 24p conversions) It can be found here: http://www.cineform.com/neoscene/index.php. They have a 15 day trial which you can try on your old editing system then perhaps trial again on your new system to compare.
Good luck on the build.
You could install windoze on the Mac if you were that way inclined - being a Mac dealer you may know that Apple are upgrading their Mac Pro range?
1 a hackintosh is technically illeagal
2 why would i pay more for a platform to run windows? the same system can be built for less.
You're saying it's illegal to install Windows on a Mac?? The only reason why I've got it installed is to test websites in IE, but it certainly isn't illegal.
From personal experience it can be hit & miss to match 'compatible' hardware when building a computer yourself (e.g. conflicts etc.). This (and the fact that OS X is much better than Windows) is why I've decided to ditch PCs in favour of Macs. You may pay a little more but with less aggro I reckon it's worth it.
Oh and have you got any performance stats on CS5 Win vs. CS5 OS X? I use CS5 on a Mac and the only issue I have is that Adobe's software is buggy, not that OS X slows things down. Hopefully Adobe will sort that out - at least Photoshop CS5 (64-bit) seems pretty fast.
Anyway, I'm not an Apple reseller or fanatic - just had enough of all the PC issues and not looking back now I've 'seen the light' with Apple!
Doh bootcamp vs Hack.. sorry i was just reading another thread(forum) about hackintosh. bootcamp is of course legal
so show me the light...?
so lets see
an Apple is a PC
your running Windows on the Apple
so do tell whats the difference from the Apple hardware vs a windows system?
DDR3 1600 (PC)
DDR3 1066 ECC Apple
no PCI slots (not really important much anymore but there are still many with PCI cards)
only 3 PCIe. for video it should not matter much. 1 raid card i capture device 1 Pro audio interface
PC has more of both.
Price Apple is far more.
other than that they are both PCs with a differnt OS (but you negated that with bootcamp)
now to windows on the Apple bootcamp is not without issues still cant turn off Cstate issues.
i didnt bother to benchmark an Apple vs PC with Adobe. (other than in house results not a publishable report)
and FC runs better on the older MP (08) than Nehalem.
one of my friends in the Audio biz has however for audio and the results for audio vs video are pretty much the same
next Apple i have on the bench i will try to run up a test (doesnt happen much anymore as we recommend a PC over Apple)
"This (and the fact that OS X is much better than Windows) is why I've decided to ditch PCs in favour of Macs"
Absolutely incorrect now with Win 7. OSX currently does not multithread well beyond 6 cores. It currently does not support Hyperthreading on the new cpu's. The 64bit support and boot requirement is a joke. The ACPI C- State power management cannot be disabled. The Raid card support is limited. The only advantage OSX has over Windows currently is the HFS+ file system which is more efficient and faster than NTFS. That is it. The limited hardware support also limits performance further. You are paying for HFS+ and the name when you go Mac.
I'm a mac fan too(currently wavering). You have to admit when the guys are right WonderIfThisIsTakenToo . I've accepted that Apple cares nothing for the pro users anymore and are quiet content marketing their iCrap and as mentioned Windows 7 does a better job at multithreading and hyperthreading. It's a pity; I was putting my hopes on the new Mac Pros that were coming out and just like getting dumped, I am in real life, sad.
ps: I was vouching for more macs when the boss said we're gonna upgrade, but now I'm changing my mind.
If you want computers that crash, stick with your PCs. I for one had had enough after 20 years using PCs - since making the switch to Mac 3 years ago I've enjoyed a system that hardly ever crashes and is fun to work on, even if it might mean paying a little bit more for the privilege.
Well, I went from Mac to PC and have never looked back. True, Mac's dont tend to crash as often but they tend to hang, motionless, with an annoying little circle going around and around. How many times has my main PC crashed this year.... once, but I tend to back up as a habit so it's no biggie. I found windows "Fista" to be a dog of an operating system after several months and Windows 7 is just a breeze compared to it. I found the main crashing problems are software/driver related so I run my work machine lean (program wise) and do a lot of my surfing, download, program testing on a seperate machine.
I'm about to upgrade again and the machine I will get will have lots more power and cost half as much and will enable me to load several different editing programs on if I wish, there is no doubt Final Cut is ok as an editing system but that would never warrant me going back when Prem does just as good a job.
I think there is going to be a mass move to PC in the near future, esp with the MPE.... Nobody would buy a brand new (white) Mustang convertable with a 1600cc motor.
Unfortunately the majority of PC crashing with Win 7 is user related. After that it would be hardware configuration and bios settings for the hardware. There is still some driver problems occasionally anymore but they are rare. The reality is the Mac is ideal only for people who really don't care to know how to best configure and use a system and keep it updated.
""If you want computers that crash, stick with your PCs. I for one had had enough after 20 years using PCs ""
it would seem you never had a good PC.
there is Dell then there is custom built.
this is why i have a job. yes stock off the shelf can be a nightmare but a well built windows system can be every bit (or more) stable than Apple.
they are both great tools in the right hands and they can both crash. and they are both PCs now (last 4 yrs) with different OS' and its the OS that is the issue here (OSX)
the facts still remain present Apple systems do not perform as they should and you pay more for that privilege (of underperforming).
why dont you benchmark your Apple system and put the results up?
i hate Apple/PC debates
i hate Apple/PC debates
So do I.
Since this thread has devolved into just such a debate, I'm locking it.