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1. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
Bill Hunt Jul 24, 2010 8:36 AM (in response to txbonfire)Angela,
I do not have CS5, so cannot even test for you, but would think that you might be able to set a default Baseline Shift in Edit>Preferences>Type. In CS2, those Preferences are very limited, so I am only guessing here.
Also, does this happen with all fonts, or just OTF's? Wonder if it specific to certain font types?
Good luck,
Hunt
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2. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
txbonfire Jul 24, 2010 9:05 AM (in response to Bill Hunt)Hunt,
I did some more investigating. First, can you let me know in Photoshop CS2 if the "baseline shift" value is automatically set to zero when inserting text? Or, if some fonts have the "baseline shift" automatically set to zero while others are automatically set to a non-zero value?
For my issue, it looks like the value of the baseline shift is directly related to the resolution of the project. For both TTF and OTF fonts, the following was found:
1. For projects with resolution of 72 pixels/inch (my DVD menus which have D1/DV NTSC aspect ratio setting), text has a baseline shift of -3.27pt
2. For projects with resolution of 150 pixesl/inch (my CD and DVD labels), text has a baseline shift of -8.33pt
3. For projects with resolution of 500 pixels/inch (my DVD cases), text has a baseline shift of -2.5pt
The only exception is the text created on a circular path. The baseline shift of this text was always zero.
Is this works-as-designed and something I just did not notice before? Or is this something that happened as a result of opening a CS2 Photoshop project in CS5?
Thanks so much,
Angela
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3. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
Noel Carboni Jul 24, 2010 9:16 AM (in response to txbonfire)The baseline shift and other CHARACTER parameters are "sticky", meaning if you've ever changed them there they will stay unless you reset them. They are not changed, as far as I can see, by any font choices.
If a non-zero value is set, it will be adjusted per the ppi of the document so that the text is visually shifted the proper amount.
Choose Window - Character from the menu to see all the parameters in the CHARACTER palette. Use the menu indicated below to reset the parameters.
-Noel
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4. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
Bill Hunt Jul 24, 2010 1:26 PM (in response to txbonfire)Angela,
I can confirm that the Baseline Shift is, as Noel comments, a "stickie" value in CS2.
I will do some tests to see what happens when I Open an existing image, with Baseline Shift applied, but think that it will be just as described above.
Try Reset Character, before Opening one of your existing images and see what happens there. IIRC, you are working with some older Titles in PrPro CS5. Those were produced in CS2. Is that correct? [My memory is always suspect.]
Good luck,
Hunt
[Edit] Just tested by changing my Baseline Shift to 4 pts., Opened an existing PSD w/ Text Layers, and went to edit the existing Text Layer. The Baseline Shift reverted to 0 pts., as that Text was created.
Message was edited by: Bill Hunt - Added [Edit]
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5. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
Noel Carboni Jul 24, 2010 1:27 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Be careful. If you have a Text layer current, a change of the Character values (including reset of all parameters) will change the text on the layer.
-Noel
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6. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
Noel Carboni Jul 24, 2010 1:29 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)Bill, what you discovered is that Photoshop loads information into the Character parameters based on what's stored in the Text layer. That's as expected, and gives you the opportunity to edit everything.
So the conclusion is that Angela could have gotten the initial non-zero setting of the Baseline Shift by editing a text layer from somewhere else. Then it stuck around for all future text creation.
-Noel
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7. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
Bill Hunt Jul 24, 2010 1:35 PM (in response to Noel Carboni)Noel,
I agree. I have not encountered such, but that is probably due to the Text work that I do most often - video Titles nowadays.
Only time that I have run afoul of the "stickie" nature of the Characters Palette is with the All Caps setting. My guess is that I have encountered this, when working on others' Titles/Menus (usually testing for the Encore forum), where they had set that, and then I have gone to add Text in another image, only to find that All Caps is "hanging around" from those previous images.
Thanks for the input and for the clarification,
Hunt
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8. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
txbonfire Jul 25, 2010 10:22 AM (in response to Bill Hunt)Noel and Hunt,
I am not sure how these values were changed. I know I did not change these values. My main concern/question......"Could the baseline shift value have been changed on my text because I opened the CS2 Photoshop project with CS5?"
Noel, it sounds like you are saying that these values must have been changed at some point (either manually or with a template I used) and that you may not believe the "issue" is a result of going from CS2 to CS5. Is that correct?
I will probably fire up my old computer and open some Photoshop projects with CS2 to see if the baseline shift is as I see it now.
Otherwise, I may just leave well enough alone. If I want the baseline shift to be zero for all of the text in all of my Photoshop projects/templates, I would have to reset that value for each text then reposition all text. Does that sound right?
Thank you so much,
Angela
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9. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
txbonfire Jul 26, 2010 2:40 PM (in response to txbonfire)Hi everyone,
I did bring up my old computer, with Adobe CS2 programs installed, and I did verify that my baseline shift values DID NOT change from Photoshop CS2 to Photoshop CS5. I opened each type of project (72 ppi, 150 ppi (D1/DV), and 500 ppi). The text in each project had the same baseline shift value in CS2 as I saw in CS5. I do not know why these values are non-zero, but I will try not to worry about it and move on. Like Noel said, most likely they were set that way in a template I originally used to create these projects.
Thanks so much,
Angela
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10. Re: Photoshop CS5 - changes in "baseline shift"
Noel Carboni Jul 26, 2010 7:29 PM (in response to txbonfire)Sounds like you have it about right, Angela.
I've not seen anything unexpected going between images saved in older versions of Photoshop and CS5, but I have seen all through time unexpected things in my Character palette. When you think about it, having the settings stick is a good thing, and being able to edit existing things in the palette seems to be a good thing, but the combination of everything in the 4th dimension (over time) seems to yield surprising things.
-Noel



