18 Replies Latest reply on Aug 24, 2010 12:04 AM by Powered by Design

    Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?

    tucson skiman

        I was talking to tech support about another issue. The tech guy showed me a cool feature new to cs5. You take hd clips or others in the clip bin and drag them to the page icon at bottom of clip bin (2nd from right of magnifying glass). The clip gets a yellow line on its top and is transformed to fit your timeline so you don't have to render the raw clips. My confusion is that I do this with the first clip and it goes to the time line. But when i do another clip, it erases the previous clip off the timeline and it alone is there. On the top of the timeline are folder tabs with the names of all the clips i have processe this way. If i click on the tabs, the clip appears on the timeline but i can only get one at a time to stay there.  I am new to cs5 and am trying to figure this out. Any help is appreciated.. thanks! Tucson Skiman

        • 1. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
          Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          This new feature is to help you set up the settings for your sequence. Especially if you do not know which settings in the New Sequence Tab to choose from.

          You do this only once with one clip from the bin, the clips name determines the name of the sequence but you can alter that.

          When the sequence is set up you drag the rest of your clips from the Project Window or Source Window into the timeline.

          • 2. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
            jeremy d. Level 3

            You're creating new timelines everytime you do that, not replacing footage; all of those tabs are separate timelines.

            Heed Ann's advice.

             

             

            My confusion is that I do this with the first clip and it goes to the time line. But when i do another clip, it erases the previous clip off the timeline and it alone is there. On the top of the timeline are folder tabs with the names of all the clips i have processe this way. If i click on the tabs, the clip appears on the timeline but i can only get one at a time to stay there.

             

            > I should add that you can drag multiple clips to that New Item icon, but the new sequence will only match the first selected clip, and it will use that clip's name.

            • 4. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
              tucson skiman Level 1

              Thank you very much , Ann... Very kind of you to respond... So then, I guess

              you do this so that all the subsequent clips you drag to the time line will

              take on the attributes set by the first clip you used to establish the

              properties of the sequence.. Is that it?  thanks! dan

              • 5. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                the_wine_snob Level 9

                Tucson,

                 

                You are correct. That is referred to as the "New Icon," and has been used to create items, such as Black Video, Transparent Video, and some other Assets. Now with CS5, a new function has been added - New Sequence, but with a major addition over the old New Sequence function. If you drag an Asset, PrPro surveys that Clip and then creates a New Sequence to match. Before, one could create a New Sequence, but then needed to fill in the blanks, in say a Desktop Preset for that New Sequence - now, it's filled in for you automatically.

                 

                Once you have created that New Sequence, you can then drag all like Clips to that Timeline. While it's not mandatory, I would suggest using the Clip, that you intend to be the # 1 Clip on that Sequence's Timeline, to create the New Sequence, as it will be placed at 00;00;00;00. Of course you can move it about, but if you put # 1 at the beginning, no need to do more than Trim it.

                 

                T/S was correct, but did not go quite far enough in telling you about the New Sequence's icon and new functionality.

                 

                Good luck and hello from the High Sonoran Desert - PHX,

                 

                Hunt

                • 6. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                  Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  That is correct.

                  What kind of footage are you using?

                  • 7. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                    tucson skiman Level 1

                    hi ann... i am kind of making a bit of an odd project... I own a ski tour

                    company and make a ski movie every year as a promo of what i do... this

                    year, in mid season, i had to buy a new camcorder and it uses high def

                    files... but i still have a bunch of avi files from my helmet camera that i

                    am using as well.. so half of the clips are avi and half are hi def....

                     

                    I have finished about 6 minutes of the 35 minute movie with both types of

                    clips and it is working fine. the software recognizes both... i am thinking

                    that I should define the timeline using a high def clip, as it is the more

                    demanding of the two types of files...

                     

                    dan

                    • 8. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                      the_wine_snob Level 9

                      Depending on the necessary output, say DVD, or BD, you might find that a little more work is going to yield better results with the mixed footage.

                       

                      If you are going to BD (utilizing the full potential of the HD footage), you can just Scale up the SD footage, but might get far better results with the use of a program, like Red Giant's Magic Bullet InstantHD, to up-rez that footage to match your HD source material.

                       

                      With DVD, there are a couple of options. You could do the HD Project, then Export to, say DV-AVI, but I would look into doing an SD Project, Importing the SD material, and then maybe using AME, or similar,to down-rez your HD to match that. Then, it would be a simple Edit and Export (or Dynamic Link) to Encore.

                       

                      With the helmet cam footage, you are probably ahead of this ARTICLE, but there might be a useful tip, or two.

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

                       

                      PS - this active THREAD might offer some tips and thoughts too.

                      • 9. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                        Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        One advantage of CS5 is you can edit all kind of footage in one single timeline.

                        This helmet avi what is the resolution.

                        What kind of Hi Def camera are you using?

                        What is the end product going to be?

                        • 10. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                          Jim_Simon Level 8

                          The clip...is transformed to fit your timeline

                           

                          My understanding is that nothing actually happens to the clip.  It is not altered in any way.  The new sequence simply matches the specs of that clip, whatever they may be.

                          • 11. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                            jeremy d. Level 3

                            That is correct sir.

                             

                             

                            JSS1138 wrote:

                             

                            The clip...is transformed to fit your timeline

                             

                            My understanding is that nothing actually happens to the clip.  It is not altered in any way.  The new sequence simply matches the specs of that clip, whatever they may be.

                            • 13. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                              tucson skiman Level 1

                              hi ann...

                               

                              the new camera is just a basic little 350 buck sony that is palm size.. it

                              takes amazing quality video for such a small camera... it is perfect for my

                              skiing and river rafting trips (which is what my company does) because it is

                              very simple.. there is no disc drive to break... all the clips go to a flash

                              card... it is perfect for what i do...

                               

                              the old footage is basic avi stuff shot with a helmet cam and sent to an

                              older sony camcorder which is dv tape device.  It is not hi def, but i

                              capture some truly great stuff with that camera. it is on my head and i ski

                              behind really good skiers, following them at @ 5 feet. it is a real wide

                              angle lense, so you have to be pretty close. But the images i have been able

                              to capture for my movies over the past 7 years are really awesome... the end

                              result is a ski movie about 40 minutes long with skiing , some comedy skits,

                              some river and biking trip footage, and visits to European and South

                              American destinations non-skiing.

                               

                              If you would like to see what i have done in the past, please go to

                              www.morningstarskitours.com

                              which is the site of my business. on the home page, click on the VIDEOS

                              link... There are some really beautiful places to see there.  I think I

                              would point you to my two favorites:  Alsek River , Alaska video and my

                              Alaska Heli Skiing video.... They are about 3 minutes long each.. i think

                              they will give you an idea of what i do with my movies...

                               

                              Cheers! Would love to hear your opinion on my movies.. always appreciate

                              input!

                              dan the ski man / president/ Morningstar Ski Tours

                              • 14. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                                tucson skiman Level 1

                                Many thanks!  I had not heard of software that could emulate hd on stock avi

                                files.. i will have a look!

                                 

                                the old footage is basic avi stuff shot with a helmet cam and sent to an

                                older sony camcorder which is dv tape device.  It is not hi def, but i

                                capture some truly great stuff with that camera. it is on my head and i ski

                                behind really good skiers, following them at @ 5 feet. it is a real wide

                                angle lense, so you have to be pretty close. But the images i have been able

                                to capture for my movies over the past 7 years are really awesome... the end

                                result is a ski movie about 40 minutes long with skiing , some comedy skits,

                                some river and biking trip footage, and visits to European and South

                                American destinations non-skiing.

                                 

                                If you would like to see what i have done in the past, please go to

                                www.morningstarskitours.com

                                which is the site of my business. on the home page, click on the VIDEOS

                                link... There are some really beautiful places to see there.  I think I

                                would point you to my two favorites:  Alsek River , Alaska video and my

                                Alaska Heli Skiing video.... They are about 3 minutes long each.. i think

                                they will give you an idea of what i do with my movies...

                                 

                                All of the movies on site are not shot in hd.... i am using it now for the

                                first time this year.

                                 

                                Cheers! Would love to hear your opinion on my movies.. always appreciate

                                input!

                                dan the ski man / president/ Morningstar Ski Tours

                                • 15. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                                  Powered by Design Level 4

                                  I watched the Heli one and liked it.

                                   

                                  One thing I would like to see is some multi-cam shots where more than one had cameras that way you could sync them up and have multiple points of view from each skier.

                                   

                                  If all skiers had camera then there could be some interesting shots where people crossed and you had 4 cameras running on the same screen.

                                   

                                  That would look cool.  You could see someone look at someone and then on the other persons camera you would see them cross or jump.

                                   

                                  Just some thoughts.  You could put 4 SD videos inside an HD video.

                                   

                                  Keep up the good work, it looks like you are having fun too.

                                   

                                   

                                  ENjoy:  GLenn

                                  • 16. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                                    tucson skiman Level 1

                                    thanks glenn for taking the time to look...

                                     

                                    your idea is a good one, but would be difficult to implement... my guests

                                    are coming to ski and don't want to spend time taking video... i can't ask

                                    them to do that, as they are paying for the skiing and are not working for

                                    me... it sure would be cool if i could do that!

                                     

                                    dan

                                    • 18. Re: Moving files to icon at bottom of clip bin to avoid rendering files?
                                      Powered by Design Level 4

                                      you could have it as an option if they want video.

                                       

                                      You might even have them pay for it.

                                       

                                      When I wend skydiving I paid extra for the video.

                                       

                                      It could be an extra service you provide.

                                       

                                      Strap on some helmet cams and away they go.

                                       

                                      They would forget they were filming.

                                       

                                       

                                      Just a thought:  GLenn