Today, for the first time , I have begun to experience this issue.
My project is not large. Two x TVCs.
The hangup issue was exhibited between Explorer and PPRO CS5.
Clicking the Menu Bar in PPRO seemed to help get focus back bu t I lost CTI control in the process.
"...three of his fingers were severed and later reattached."
Duuuude...that's just nasty. My condolences.
The got sewed back on and I got my first feature out of it so it worked out in the end. It did hurt like hell though. Can't play guitar as good as I used to though....
Hope your doing well Jim.
Wow. I have a few parallels with you, as I'm nearly finished editing a feature film in Premiere Pro myself, but on CS3. I'm also a huge fan of Adobe. I bought CS5 a while back, but have not installed it yet, because I heard only bad things happen when you switch to CS5 mid-project. Adding your voice to that rumor makes me glad to have waited, but also extremely sad, because I wonder how my next feature might go in CS5.
I noticed that most of the users on these forums seem to be using PCs, which is expected, since most users of computers use PCs. I'm on a '09 Mac Pro 3.33GHz with 16GB of RAM and hardware RAID (stripe 0), which seems to have helped me avoid many of the pitfalls I've read, heard and even seen in person on other systems. I chose this machine specifically to edit feature films, and went back and forth for a few months between a custom PC build or a Mac, and so far, I'm still mostly confident in my choice. I'm jealous of the compatibility of PC equipment. nVidia cards and other GPU realities, and Windows 7 seems to be brilliant so far. I came from PCs myself, only going as far as XP due to the horror of Vista. This Mac is my first, except for a PowerPC 9600/300 I had at work ages ago.
Anyway, the feature I'm working on is about 100 minutes in length so far, give or take ten minutes. It was also shot on DVCProHD, 1080 24p, with P2 cards, and it's split into ten scenes on ten timelines. I also have an 11th timeline with the ten scene timelines dropped into place to make the entire movie in one smooth timeline. I like this setup, because when I make a change in the scene in its timeline, the 11th timeline shows that change, obviously. I hoped that by breaking the movie into a sequence per scene, I could avoid problems that might arise with an overly complex sequence, and it seems to have held up well so far. I also have many AfterEffects segments in the project, which I render out into their own file with the animation compressor. I then import that, drop it in place on the timeline, and then export the entire timeline to a new P2 file, all in hopes of keeping the project as simple and smooth as possible. The most complex thing that remains are the 16 audio tracks with all the actors' mic tracks and sound effects. When it gets messy enough, I tend to export several tracks into a new audio file to use as a single track, provided that the sound is finished on that track. (I don't like scrolling the timeline too far, so I won't add 99 audio tracks... hahaha)
I mention all this because I'm interested to hear if you implemented any similar workflow techniques to minimize taxing out your system. If you did, it does not bode well for CS5, which I'll be sure to use the day this movie is finished. I plan to do a complete deinstallation of all CS3 products, followed by a clean install of CS5. I bought the full Production Premium version so I could accomplish this clean install. I'm also planning to upgrade my RAID from the stock Apple 1TB drives to Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB drives to keep the data on the faster part of the drives, (not filling the drives too much.) I'm also considering upgrading my Apple RAID card to something a little more robust, but honestly, I've had no problems with the card, so maybe not.
I can think of no greater frustration than to upgrade to the latest and greatest version of CS, only to find it not work as well (or at all) despite all the great new features. I'd rather not have things (that I'm dying to use) like the rotobrush, content aware fill and so on, if the system can't handle a feature-length film project. I still have the stock ATI Radeon HD 4870, so I can't take advantage of hardware acceleration with CUDA in the MPE. I consider finding a decent nVidia card, but the ATI has worked so well for me in all other applications that I'm skeptical of the switch. I keep hoping that Adobe will do something for the new offerings ATI comes out with. So far, I like the idea of the 5870, but without CUDA or Fermi or whatever, it seems like my use of CS5 might have to just make do with software MPE only. What I REALLY want at this point is Audition for Mac. It's the biggest gripe I have about switching to Mac. In the meantime, I just use my old Audidion 2 on the PC, and transfer the file via wifi to my Mac, but come on, what a pain!
Huge congratulations on your premiere, and wish me luck on my premiere in Louisiana on October 6th! It's also a sort of horror movie... more paranormal really... about some college kids that try to find evidence of paranormal activity in an abanodoned school that was the site of a string of murders. "They found what they were looking for." (:
Congrats on getting it done and sorry for the nightmare. That must have been a huge effort!
Funny, I actually covered the story for a national news outlet with my boss at the time. Spent about 3 - 20hr days running all over Gainesville with a BetaCam in hand. There must have been about 50 different organizations there with sat trucks. It was crazy!
Yes, Josh, This is a real problem. I went through hell on this exact problem and if this got solved, Premiere Pro would be better than anything else out there right now. Don't know if you saw my original thread
but every aspect is covered there including system tests and everything. It is a memory leak. Buying a ton of RAM like I did doesn't solve it at all (18 GB RAM).
I had done the same thing and switched from CS4 to CS5 in the middle of several 30 minute TV productions and I regretted it and almost switched entirely over to AVID. I'm able to make it through 30 minute programs right now but I have to a) keep my timeline layers to a minimum b) do not build up previews (use MPE) and c) take edited sections and output them to AVIs and bring it back in. The disadvantage is you have to basically delete anything in your project you're not using as you go along so if you all of a sudden want to find that shot you were thinking of using, you have to go back and go through your originals and import it. Really bad workflow.
I too have a feature coming up and I am sorry to say if this isn't solved by that time, I will be forced to abandon Premiere entirely and I'll have to switch over all my production to AVID as the memory leak is so bad it becomes unuseable. Otherwise it is great.
Yep, that is where the problem starts!
Sorry for your anguish, and thanks for reporting. I'll toast the completion of your film, and hope that the premier goes well.
I did not see a link to the trailer. Seems that in the very early days, you did a prelim. trailer, but I could not find that link. Any chance of us seeing the trailer?
Good luck, and hope that distribution does not turn out like the ordeal with CS5. Let us all hope that the upcoming update does address all issues.
PS - nice to see you back around the forum. You have been missed.
I bought the full Production Premium version so I could accomplish this clean install.
You can get a fresh install from the 'upgrade' as well. Previous versions do not have to be installed. You only need the serial numbers from the earlier version.
There is a new Pro CS 5.0.2 update with a ton of fixes. I installed it last night and tested it out on this particular situation and it did not seem to solve it.
I have posted a new thread on this particular problem if anyone has data to this specific hang up issue. Maybe for others it helped.
Hey guys, the CS 5.0.2 fix made a dramatic improvement! I've been working with it about 12 hours now with tons of p2 DVCPR HD media and
the lag is about 2-3 seconds when you click in and out of Premiere.
However, when I first installed the update, I was bummed out - still getting about a 40 second lag - but check out my other thread from today!
If you do not experience a dramatic improvement then you need to check to see if you have any AV software on your system. If so UNINSTALL it and find something that won't conflict with Premiere. Even though you turn it off or turn it off in Task Manager or Process Explorer it may STILL have something going. My system has 18 GB RAM and when I UNINSTALLED my AVS, I had an unbelieveable improvement. Very signficant.
Hope it helps you guys out.
I've been testing it out a bunch before I posted about.
5.0.2 works great WHEN I TURN MY anti-virus off. I tried turning AV off before the update a few times and it never helped, but now I have only a half second lag when ever I switch between...say.. After Effects and Premiere. If I leave the AV on I get the same 20 second lag time whenever I click off of Premiere or try to come back.
So far I's say my big nit-pick is solved....a little late but it's cool. What was so odd about the whole thing is that the CS4 reels had just a few seconds of lag but the CS5 had 20+
Judging from the other threads I'd say you might want to let people know that for bigger projects you need the AV off.
Thanks for asking Todd.Keep on Adobe and don't let the NLE and AE get lost like Apple seems like it is doing with FCP. Also MPE is great but without 3rd party plug-ins being able to access it, it is a little useless for pro stuff. At least let RED GIANT SOFTWARE in it, For me everyone I know Colorista 2 and MB Looks are a must. I can't say enought good things about Mandi and Stu the gang......And I know send a feature request....(I have many times)
One more thing. After the update I lost 80% of my pre-renders.
Bill and wonderspark,
I'll answer some other other questions about workflow a little later, I'm pretty busy right now trying to figure out the whole screener thing and the best way to approach watermarking it and such. Anyone heard of this place? http://www.digiscreener.com/
Great news Josh, and thanks for reporting.
Cannot help you on that service - sorry.