You know what it didn't work for me - but - and I only discovered the solution last night by happenstance - I wasn't trying all that hard to solve it as it wasn't as bad for me as apparently it is for you and others - but - anyway - for me the solution was my anti virus - I had it turned off when I installed the update - so once it was completed it appeared the problem had been solved by the update - but - then I turned the anti virus program back on - Avast free version BTW - and the problem was back - it was then I happened upon your thread and obviously I put two and two together - so - continuing - I have just now uninstalled Avast free version and installed AVG free version and - viola` - all is good - for now. Sorry to hear you are still suffering.
That has been my only nagging issue thus far with CS5 - all else - so far so good.
Hey Jim, thanks for the info. Hmmm, are you saying that the anti-virus software you had installed, "running" or not was causing the problem for you?
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It certainly could in theory. When you minimize Premiere, it releases its hold on all the files being used in your project. When you alt-tab back, it re-opens those media files. If you have an anti-virus program running in the background that's actively scanning all your file accesses, this will definitely interfere with performance. The bigger the project, the more files, the more interference from your AV.
While I won't flat out suggest not running AV software, if you're going to, folks need to be smart about it & configure things to not scan your media folders at the very least.
Let me clarify a couple things so we are on the same page: you mention minimizing the application, yes. I experience that too but even if I simply click in and out of the application to my desktop for example, without activating anything else is enough to cause it to lag routinely for 40 seconds.
Just so you know, when I run Premiere, I turn off all antivirus software (from within the AV software application and also anything still left behind in Task Manager or Process Explorer http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx) and internet connections, but I do not "uninstall" it. I turn off any process not essential to running adobe applications or windows and I still have the problem. Is there something else to ensuring the antivirus is not interfering short of uninstalling it?
It is the same problem as before with a large project.
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eddiem100 - When it was off it didn't happen - when it was on it did. I unintstalled it and installed another vendor's anti virus - it does not happen at all now - either on or off - The anit virus that was conflicting is called AVAST and the one that does not is called AVG.
I want to post an update to this scenario. I completely uninstalled any AV software whether it was running or not and have been working with premiere pro about 12 hours straight now.
Remarkably, this made a very signficant difference! And got a bit better even after a few hours.
I then put Windows defender and firewall back on (not a big fan but just to test it) and it didn't affect it. System Mechanic Pro is a horrible hog whether "running" or not. The "not running" system mechanic pro I was using definitely affected the new release. With it uninstalled I am experiencing a tremendous improvement - 2-3 sec lag at most now clicking in and out of premiere pro particularly if I click on the timeline -- and I just imported a ton of p2 media. I will be importing a bunch more too, so we'll see how things hold up.
Teaches you one thing: even though no process is showing up in process explorer or task manager, something was still running.
Much better. Thanks, Adobe for the improvement and thanks for the tip guys..
I've just been testing this this morning:
I was expecting to see something different to you as I had Eset NOD32 AV installed BUT it was set to ignore all of my video and cache drives and also exclude many of the cache and video file extensions.
BUT to my great delight, it did make a big difference when I disabled realtime file checking in NOD32. I also uninstalled it but it made no further difference, so it was something in the real time checker that was causing the slow app switching.
These are my results on a large project with many sequences and AE dynamic links:
Files reported as loading on startup = 3122 ish
With NOD32 ON: time to switch back to PPro from any othert app or explorer window = 31-32 seconds
With NOD32 OFF: 9-11 seconds
It also seemed to not scan all the files in the project like it possibly did before - what used to happen is that the AV drive was getting thrashed every time I switched back, now there is a brief amount of activity but no where near what there was before. Time to switch back also seems to be dependent on which sequence is currently open - more complex open sequences take longer it seems.
So, it does pay to check your AV software - even if you think you've disabled scanning of the relevant files. I'm sure there was something obvious I needed to disable but with AV software config settings so complex, it's easy to miss I guess.
Hey, glad to hear you got an improvement. I had realtime checking initially checked "off" on system mechanic pro plus I had stopped running any services or updates, anything, in Task Manager and Process explorer, but I still had the lag. On system mechanic pro it wasn't until I uninstalled it (thinking I wouldn't get any change at all) that I got the great response.
So I'm keeping that baby dead for awhile.
And even though the AVS may be "clouding" the issue, the fact is this, before this update whether I had the AVS installed or not, it was absolutely horrible clicking in and out. So this is really important to check and AVS software is going to act differently from one brand to another. But if someone has problems, that is something I would check right away! Now I can edit!
Before applying the 5.0.2 patch my Premiere lag was about 25 seconds. After the patch this dropped to about 15 seconds. Then I deleted all the cache files (again) and set up an exclusion for realtime scanning of the Premiere program files folder and also the data and cache folder in Avast Free anti-virus. Now my lag is down to 4 seconds which is manageable.
Depending on how big your project is and how many source files you are using, the lag definitely increases but 5.0.2 and AV software off makes a huge difference.
After reading this thread, I had high hopes that turning off my Avast (uninstalling, actually) and stopping all unnecessary services, that I might get similar results. Unfortunatly, with my system, it did not make any difference. I even turned off Defender and the firewall (yanking my ethernet cable out first, of course).
Have others also attempted this strategy and found it did not make any difference in the crippling hang-time in CS5?
Any additional word from Adobe on ultimate solution?
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Same issue here. First noticed it with CS4, now with CS5. I have McAfee. Seems to happen on more complex projects with many source files, and I've been working on small stuff lately, so I haven't tried anything to fix it.
change ur antivirus, i use eset nod32 and i have no problems at all with adobe premiere cs5, my system is base on a i7 950 processor. 3 gtx 285 nvidia cards in sli mode with three 24 inch monitor and 6TB of hard drives and 12gb of ram and a asus extreme III rampage motherboard and i do video editing all days and have no hang problems with it.
I can confirm this; disabling Avast eliminates an annoying 5-10 second hang on my system clicking back into Premiere CS5.
Too bad--running it with every previous version of PR didn't have this issue. I understand why it does it, but hopefully it's resolved in some way or another.
While a number of people here confirm improvements disabling or removing Avast, after I removed Avast from my system (even doing a registry cleaning after the uninstall), the problem still persists. So there must be something else going on not related to performance limitations or system compatability. I'm still very hopeful there will soon be a solution from Adobe.A 5.0.3 fix soon?
> So there must be something else going on not related to performance limitations or system compatability.
Security software is one kind of software that monitors writes to the disk, but there are also other kinds of software that monitors read/write transactions and can slow things down. For example, the Windows search indexing feature can also be a performance drag.
I'm sorry that I don't have anything more specific to suggest, but it's worth looking at what other processes are running, including what other applications are running in the background, to see if they are causing a bottleneck.
Thanks, Todd, for taking the time to follow this thread and offering another suggestion. I'm sorry for not offering more specifics earlier about how I've configured my system.I've built this from the ground-up around a fresh install of the CS5 suite, taking the best advice I think was available at the time to optimize performance from both the Adobe optimization guide and others. I've been quite aggressive about eliminating all Win7 background processes (concocting a mixture of BlackViper's Win7 "Tweaked" and "Bare Bones" recipes) and only installing programs necessary to the functioning of a streamlined edit system. I've thrown a large dose of CPU, memory, GPU, and disc throughput at this hoping to solve the app-hang issue. I'll continue to search for a solution and if I find it, I'll be sure to post here if others remain bogged down in a similar situation.
I want to love Premiere so much, but in my 6 years of experience with it, I've hardly ever got it running as reliably as competing software.
You wouldn't believe how many hours I've spent troubleshooting Premiere. It actually makes me feel a bit ill thinking about it.
This issue is my worst with Premiere CS5.
At the moment I'm getting about 45 second hangs with only 200 items in the project.
Meticulously maintained Core i7 w/6GB good ram and SSD w/seperate media disks...
What I'm finding never changes with Premiere (and actually Adobe software to a large extent generally) is that it's always my fault or my computers fault. Yet when I'm accomplishing tasks in Irfanview that I can't do with Photoshop, or Experiences several major issues in Prem that I'm not in Edius or Vegas, I can't sympathise with that argument anymore; it basically just feels like it hasn't been properly beta tested!
I'm running Avast free, but disabling it hasn't helped.
The switching issue has been killing me, and Adobe support didn't even realise it was a known issue when they last took me through over an hour of troubleshooting (again)...
what kind of items r u talking about be specific it could be a corrupted clip or a frame that is causing the problem or what kind of video cards do u have cause the best to run premieres cs5 with viveo cards is nvidia gtx 470 up, i have 3way sli with those cards and never had a hang problem.check ur video card to see if they're funtioning well, cause i had 3 way sli with 285 gtx video card and when i made the exchange to 470 all the hanging problems went out. also change ur antivivrus, avast is one of the worst in protection, i use, eset nod 32 and never had problems with it.
This is not solved, not even in CS5 5.0.3!
I have no Antivisus software installed at all and everytime I do switch away from Adobe Premiere Pro and back, I have to wait at least 20 seconds, before I can resume work!
Please fix this, this is a nightmare!
My Project and all Files are stored on a remote File-Server connected with a dedicated 1GBit Ethernet connection. The File-Server has a RAID10 setup and can utilize the whole link bandwidth, so I have 100MByte/s file access speed.
Adobe Cache Files are stored on my local disk.
Do not post the same message more than once.
Did post in different threads.
However, can you provide me with a solution? Or at least tell me, where this behaviour is coming from?
Maybe I can avoid this if I know, what exactly is causing this issue.
Not sharing information you might have already gathered about this bug, makes your customers believe you do not care about them.
Knowledge is power, please empower us by enlightening us!
Disabling my anti-virus works here--but unneccessary in any other software, as well as CS4 and below, & needs to be addresses. What changed between 4/5 that causes this? Adobe needs to patch it, I can only imagine how many users don't care to scour forums & just deal with it, or attribute it to ppro's history of poor performance issues (and continue using competitors instead).
Jeff is not an Adobe Employee, and is only a world reknown author, an expert on the programs, plus a MOD there.
There ARE several Adobe Employees, and they apperar in the threads, commenting, where they can, on what is being done.
When they have info, I feel certain that they WILL share with all.
The real-time anti-virus software, fairly new, and everywhere, or so it seems, is also causing major issues with Adobe Premiere Elements. CS5 is not unique.
For most users, the "fix" is to turn off real-time anti-virus software, when editing. That advice comes from back before the real-time scanning, and apparently is more needed now.
i still have the realtime software protection in my antivirus eset nod 32 and cs5 premier works fine, my system is a rampage 3 extreme asus mother board an intel i7 960 cpu with 12gb of corsair ram and corsair liquid cooling h50 8tb of hard drives, video cards gtx 470 sli nvidia. and cs5 still working good on my system
Sounds like you are fortunate, as real-time anti-virus scanning has been a show-stopper for many.
Also, you do know that PrPro cannot use that SLI setup, don't you?
yea try it out u'll see the different, adobe premier has a lot to be discover trought and i have really discover many things on it,tips n trick they really work, thas why adobe has created maximum render open gl system on it. is my favorite, am a adobe fan 100% there is none like it. thats why nvidia created cuda for, to be use on adobe, read and learn