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    Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still

    Neofilm Level 1

      I am currently shooting with 3 Sony HDR CX550v cameras. When trying to edit it's very jumpy, almost impossible to edit. I used to use 3 Sony HDR SR1's. Both used AVCHD codec. On CS4 I was able to edit 3 tracks and sometimes more and it would scrub decent and playback most of the time decent, it was bearable at least. Transitions would be jumpy and I would render to preview when adding any effects. I knew I probably needed to upgrade my hard drives to a RAID.

       

      Here's my Hardware as it was:

       

      1. Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9650 (12M Cache, 3.00 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)
      2. Asus P5K3 Deluxe WiFi Intel 935 Socket 775 Motherboard
      3. EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS Superclocked 640MB PCIe
      4. Western Digital Raptor 150GB Serial ATA HD 10K/16MB/SATA-150
      5. 2 more 320 GB Serial ATAHard Drives slaved
      6. OCZ 850w GameXStream Power Supply
      7. Corsair 8 GB DDR3 1333

       

      Before I upgraded/installed Premeire Pro CS5 I reinstalled windows 7 64 bit, nuked everything, started fresh. Then installed CS5, then updated it. After trying the hack I replaced the EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS Superclocked 640MB PCIe that I though was future proof when I bought it over a year ago, the hack didn't work on the 8800 GTS despite the fact that it has over 100 CUDA Cores. I replaced it with a PNY GTX 470 so I could use the mercury playback engine.

       

      It seemed at first to edit better with the GTX 470 then with the 8800 GTS in that transitions played back smooth. I even changed the brightness on one of the video tracks and it played back fine without having to render. But, about half way through I started experiencing jumpy playback.

       

      I believe I need a better hard drive configuration. According to windows my primary hard disc is 5.9 out of 10, everything else is either 6.9 or 7.3. And, with the task manager open viewing the Performance while I play the timeline the CPU and memory seem to be doing great but playback is jumpy. So, I guess I need to upgrade to a RAID.

       

      My mother board can do a RAID 0 or 1. But, I don't know enough about RAID to do it confidently and I don't trust anyone in this small town to do it for me. So, I need to know, should I:

       

       

       

      1. do a RAID using my mother board to control it? if so, RAID 0 or RAID 1 (I can occasionally back up stuff to a slaved drive, right?)
      2. do a RAID with 2 solid state drives or 2 hard drives?
      3. Get a solid state drive for the operating system and have a RAID separately for programs?
      4. do an eSATA RAID?
      5. Serial Attached Storage (SAS)
      6. iSCSI
      7. Networked Attached Storage (NAS)

       

      Number 5, 6, and 7 are some options my friend told me to look into. I did a little and being getting stressed with all the options. I really don't want to understand all the options, I just want to know what will work and move on.

       

      I found on the forums something about RAID 3 being the best but a friend that knows about this stuff didn't know why that would be better than RAID 5.

       

      I'm so swamped with my day job, being a father, and trying to get my video business going that I don't know if my brain can handle trying to figure out much more. I got excited about Solid State and thought that would be an easy option, but the more I got to digging the more I found that it has some flaws too.

       

      The bottom line is, I just want to edit AVCHD without having playback issues during the editing process. I've tried Neoscene by Ceneform but that turned out to be converting the files to an insanely large size. I canceled the conversion when I saw that my 4.7 gig AVCHD was growing over 30 gigs! Yikes! and it was taking forever. I would prefer to not add another step to the work flow and what not. Life is too short for all that mess. I just need to edit without playback hesitations.

       

      I'll move the timeline indicator and there's this annoying delay, I hit the space bar and delay, I playback and it's jumpy, I try to scrub the timeline and it's not showing anything. While there are some subtle improvements with the new graphics card and MPE enabled to use it, it's otherwise all worse than before it seems. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • 1. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
          Jim_Simon Level 8

          At it's best quality setting, AVCHD has roughly the same data rate as DV.  So playback stutters of this material are likely NOT related to hard drive insufficiencies, but an underpowered CPU.  Your's definitely qualifies as underpowered for AVCHD.  Look there to improve your editing experience with your media.

          • 2. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
            Neofilm Level 1

            Jim, thank you for your reply! I would like to know why you feel my CPU is definitely "underpowered". I spent a lot of money on this CPU and when I bought it not seemingly too long ago it was perhaps one of best out there. And, according to Windows 7 it's the highest rated peice of hardware on my system at 7.3 out of 10, and my hard drive is only 5.9 out of 10. How sure are you it's my CPU and please elaborate and give an alternative if you can... thanks again!

            • 3. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
              Jim_Simon Level 8

              The Q9650 processor is two generations ago.  I'd probably look for an i7 930 CPU at a minimum for AVCHD.

              • 4. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                jpodlesnik1

                "I'd probably look for an i7 930 CPU at a minimum for AVCHD."


                Yesss, that's just what I ordered (being built, due to arrive this Friday), along with --


                ASUS P6X58D Premium 1366 Motherboard

                ** INTEL i7 930 2.8GHz 8M 4. 8 GT/sec LGA**

                12GB (six 2GB) Kingston PC3 10600

                80GB Intel X25M MLC GEN 2 Completely Silent SSD Drive (for OS and apps)

                Windows 7 Professional Edition DVD 64 Bit

                Antec P183 BLACK Case

                Antec CP-1000 1000 Watt Inaudible 14dB 80 Plus PSU

                EVGA GTX 480 Video Card

                LG (BLACK) 22X SATA DVD +- RW

                Zalman 10X Flex CPU Cooler

                Three  WD Black-X 1 TB 6 Gb/sec 64MB cache 7200RPM SATA 2 Drives

                Aareca ARC-1680IX-12 PCIe x8 SAS RAID Card

                Install Acoustipack Ultimate (sound proofing)

                One Year Parts & Labor Warranty

                Restore Disk

                 

                $3,880.95


                How much can I overclock the 930 without there being liabilities? I'm thinking up to 3.0 GHZ. That sounds safe, since I have no experience at this.

                • 5. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                  Harm Millaard's OC Guide would be a good place to start.

                   

                  Good luck,

                   

                  Hunt

                  • 6. CS5 is performing worse than CS4, even with hardware upgrades
                    Neofilm Level 1

                    Ok, I should have said this.

                     

                    With my current processor and good old set up I didn't have these playback issues.

                     

                    Now, here's an update, this is what I shared with someone else earlier today:

                     

                    I am editing multiple tracks of AVCHD video. The project at the moment is about 50 minutes long with three video tracks. The computer has a fresh, new Windows 7 Pro 64 bit install on it. Really, that's all that's on my system along with the Adobe Master Collection CS5.

                     

                    Since my change from CS4 to CS5 I have not been able to edit video as well, it's really bad now. First I reinstalled windows and installed CS5 and didn't change any hardware. The performance was not good so I removed my GeForce GTS 8800 video card and purchased and installed a new GTX 470 certified adobe video card. That didn't work so I purchased 2 new hard drives to create a RAID, that didn't work either, still the same performance issues. After all of this in the last week, and now I'm wondering what do I do next? Here is my system hardware at the moment:

                     

                    • Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9650 (12M Cache, 3.00 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)
                    • Asus P5K3 Deluxe WiFi Intel 935 Socket 775 Motherboard
                    • GeForce GTX 470 "Adobe Certified Video Card"
                    • Two Seagate Baracuda 1 Terabyte drives for a RAID 0 using the ASUS RAID controller off the board
                    • Western Digital Raptor 150GB Serial ATA HD 10K/16MB/SATA-150
                    • 2 more 320 GB Serial ATAHard Drives
                    • OCZ 850w GameXStream Power Supply
                    • Corsair 8GB DDR3 1333(Twin 3X2048-1333 C9)

                    I have the OS and CS5 on the RAID, the project on the fast WD hard drive, the media cache and preview files on a slaved drive, I even tried moving my media files to a slaved drive. It continuously, no matter what I do, performs the same.

                     

                    The permance issues are:

                    • when I move the timeline indicator there is often a pause before it will play
                    • when i jump around using the page up and page down keys there is often a pause
                    • when i move tracks there is often a pause
                    • when I hit the space bar to preview there is a pause/delay, and then it may sometimes playback fine but in certain spots the video stops and then resumes and does this often
                    • when i scrub the timeline the preview doesn't display
                    • I did add one effect on one track, that is brightness, but that is all.

                     

                    What's weird is when I would edit AVCHD in CS4 I didn't have these problems. But, in CS5 I do notice some minor improvements, like in CS4 simple default transition would hang up for a bit, but the rest of the editing experience was easy. This is the other way around. It plays through almost all the transitions, even when the brightness effect is on one of the tracks, but everything else is horrible!

                     

                    I've also been trying different settings, I've updated my video driver, RAID driver, and everything else in the device manager looks great.

                     

                    I need help bad, otherwise I'm going to have to return CS5 and go with a different NLE real soon. I've wasted too much time now, please help.

                    • 7. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                      Neofilm Level 1

                      It does not matter what generation it is, I was able to edit with it before without these problems.

                       

                      Oh, and there's a correction on my performance rating, my CPU is 7.3 out of 7.9 not 7.3 out of 10.

                       

                      Also, when I run the task manager adjacent premiere and watch the performance tab the CPU is around 20 percent while premiere is hanging up as I wait for playback. It may spike for a second up to about 70 percent when premiere starts to finally play.

                       

                      As for my memory, it's staying solid at 2.66 gigs being used out of 8, well, I have 8 gigs, and about 1.5 gigs for the OS and what not, so I'm only using about a 3rd of my RAM.

                       

                      The bottom line is CS4 didn't do this crap. It would hang at transitions that weren't rendered a bit but other than that it would play right away wherever I would put the timeline indicator, it would play the video as I would scrub it with the timeline indicator, it would easily play smooth from one clip to another if there were no transitions, it would definitely play a clip all the way through.

                       

                      I did a lot of big projects with CS4, at this rate I will not be able to use CS5 despite the fact that I've installed it on a clean hard drive with nothing more than windows 7 64 bit, despite my setting up a RAID 0 (granted it's using the ASUS P5K3 deluxe mobo controller), and despite the fact that I bought a new GeForce GTX 470 video card.

                       

                      The crazy thing is it always hangs up during playback in the same place no matter what I do, with or without the mercury playback engine using software or hardware setting, not matter what I do or change anywhere, even the playback resolution lowered it hangs... this just flat out sucks.

                      • 8. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                        dradeke Adobe Employee

                        I wonder if you can try your project out on another system?  Probably not, but worth a try if you can.

                         

                        I'm not really a super CPU geek, but a quick look at the processor you mentioned tells me it's more geared towards laptops than desktops.  I'm curious as to how CS4 was working better on this than CS5.  That's the puzzling thing to me.

                         

                        One thing to try is how does CS5 do with single streams of AVCHD?  Can you do two streams with a transition between them?  Is this better performance than with CS4?

                         

                        In the end, based on what I read - I agree with the others and think that the CPU is the culprit here.

                         

                        dennis

                        • 9. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                          magudaman

                          Well I was set out to try and prove that your processor was plenty sufficient but after doing some tests it seems that everyone here may be correct.  Ever since I was able to enable the Mercury Playback engine several of my projects using MP4 footage from a GoPro camera were revived and very editable.  SO I figured that would be the same with the AVCHD.  Well it turns out that anytime I run more than one stream of AVCHD I basically go into a slide show, even a lockup until it passes the dual streams.  Even an accelerated cross fade between one stream to the other doesn't seem to work.  I do see both of my processor core jump up to 100%.  From the looks of toms hardware CPU charts your Q9650 is about 60% faster than my E8400 at 4.0 GHz.  If you get a new i7 like the i7-960 ($560usd) it would be about 60% increase in your video processing power.  The i7-970 ($980) will give you about a 2.5x more power than your current processor, so I guess with that you may be able to run 2 to 3 streams of AVCHD in full playback resolution.

                           

                          The only conclusion I can come to about cs4 to cs5 is maybe your playback resolution in the preview monitor has changed.  Maybe it is now set at full when before it was set at 1/4.  It seems the Mercury Engine really is not helping in decoding.  Basically AVCHD sucks really bad as an editing format it is way way too power hungry, I suggest transcoding.

                           

                          FYI, windows index tool thing is not a good judge of hardware, my processor pulls a 7.0.

                          • 10. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                            Neofilm Level 1

                            Thanks Magudaman! I feel that you've done an awesome job at answering this. And thanks everyone, I believe that you are all correct. I was editing though at full resolution with CS4 with less problems, they were different problems, now in CS5 I can go through transitions smoother than I could in CS4, but as I progress through a long project with 3 tracks I get more playback problems in CS5 than I did in CS4.

                             

                            So, earlier today I dove in and ordered some more new parts:

                             

                            NZXT Zero 2 Craft Series Full Tower Case

                            ASUS P6X58D Premium Motherboard

                            Intel BX80601960 Core i7 960

                            Agility 2 Solid State Drive - 240GB

                             

                            WOOHOO! It'll be here friday! I'm soooo excited and hope that it will enable me to cut like butter!

                             

                            So, I'll be selling my:

                             

                            Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9650 (12M Cache, 3.00 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

                            Asus P5K3 Deluxe WiFi Intel 935 Socket 775 Motherboard

                            EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS Superclocked 640MB PCIe

                            Creative SoundBlaster Audigy Platinum

                            Aspire X-Cruiser Case

                             

                            I'll come back and award someone with "the right answer" when it's all said and done;) Let me know if you want to buy any of this hardware...

                            • 11. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                              jpodlesnik1 Level 1

                              Welcome to the club. Good thing about the ASUS P6X58D mainboard in which you invested is (I believe) it will support the i7 980 processor (to which I eventually plan to upgrade, unless something better comes along in the interim, which may necessitate a new mainboard and processor - welcome to progress & technology). I hope we're all cutting through AVCHD clips like a warm knife through butter. I'll report back when my system arrives. Next stop: RED Scarlet 3K footage.  :-O

                              • 12. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                                K.F. Wright

                                To answer your overclocking question, ipodlesnik1, 3.0Ghz is a piece of cake.  I built a similar system a few months ago (Asus P6X58D-E motherboard, i7-930, 12GB DDR3 RAM, 80GB Intel X25M boot disk, GTX 470, Win7 Pro 64 bit, 4x Samsung F3 1TB hard drives) and had never overclocked before.  After doing some research, I dived in and got my i7-930 up to 4.0 Ghz.  I've only had one problem (that rebooting solved) due to the overclock in the last three and half months.  The key is to make sure you have sufficient airflow in the case and to increase the speed of the processor in small increments, testing it for stability.  Good luck!

                                • 13. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                                  jpodlesnik1 Level 1

                                   

                                  Thanks, KF, for your reply. For starters, I think I may not overclock any higher than 3.2 GHz.  Does overclocking make the cpu any noisier? My custom built machine is being delayed. The maker said they did the 2-3 day "burn in" (running the system non-stop for two days to test it for problems, the system is fine), but they're concerned about the noise of the Nvidia GTX480 card (it's noisier than the cards they use - they are, after all, supposed to be specialists in virtually noiseless PCs). I told them that I'm sure anything they send me will be quieter than the jet engine-sounding rig I'm running now. I wonder if my new system will have the proper airflow to allow for overclocking?  Thanks for the info!

                                  • 14. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                                    TradeWind Level 3

                                    About your jumpy GTX 470 card...it may be because the mobo you were using has PCIe 1.0 slots and the GTX 470 (and 480) is a PCIe 2.0 card. It'll work in a 1.0 slot but it's scaled down performance-wise.

                                     

                                    With that new Asus board  you'll have the proper PCIe support, and that (along with your other upgraded components) will make for a pretty good editing experience.

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                                    • 15. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                                      magudaman Level 1

                                      SCAPsinger wrote:

                                       

                                      About your jumpy GTX 470 card...it may be because the mobo you were using has PCIe 1.0 slots and the GTX 470 (and 480) is a PCIe 2.0 card. It'll work in a 1.0 slot but it's scaled down performance-wise.

                                       

                                      With that new Asus board  you'll have the proper PCIe support, and that (along with your other upgraded components) will make for a pretty good editing experience.

                                      His MB actually does have x16 slot:

                                       

                                      13-131-181-04.jpg

                                      • 16. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                                        TradeWind Level 3

                                        Yes, PCIe x16, but not PCIe 2.0 x16 (which is what the GTX 470 card is).

                                        • 17. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                                          Neofilm Level 1

                                          Awesome, you all are so helpful!!!!!! I guess this is why, the PCI-E slot being version 1.0, the GTX 470 does not perform any better than my good ole GTS 8800 on my P5k3 deluxe...

                                           

                                          I am going to get an extra fan for this GTX 470, it sure runs hot!

                                           

                                          It still blows my mind that I was using Premiere CS4 to edit multi track AVCHD for about a year with no problems other than having to render effects and transitions. other than that I was able to move around on the timeline, make cuts, and preview with no hiccups. Now with CS5 I have major playback issues no matter what I have done... I've tried a new graphics card, RAID 0, and just tried a solid state drive. The SSD is sweet, but still the same issues in premiere pro CS5 editing AVCHD.

                                           

                                          I did get the new board and processor and ssd drive, however, i have to send it back because either the board or CPU is not working (thanks Tiger Direct, just what I needed, more problems...), so it'll be the middle of next week before I can get the upgrade, and i'm thinking about getting the i7 980x instead with the asus 96x58d premium. In the meantime I'm still trying things on my old set up.

                                          • 18. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                                            jpodlesnik1 Level 1

                                            You installing yourself? I don't trust myself with this, thus I had my system built - endpcnoise.com where they "burn" it in for a few days to test it out before shipment. I figure, best to leave this to folks more experienced than I. Go for the i7 980x, if you can. Will report back after my system arrives, Adobe apps are installed, I have AVCHD footage on the timeline and I'm editing...

                                            • 19. Re: Solid State RAID or no? GTX 470, playback is jumpy still
                                              Neofilm Level 1

                                              Nah, I have built the last two machines I've used. The first one I built I used for over 6 years. The next one I built is the one I've used the last 3 years. I'll continue using the one I've had for the last 3 years for a back up, burning machine, and a place for someone to work on scores and what not while I edit on my new one.

                                               

                                              The hardest part isn't building it as much as it is figuring out what to get, esp. under a small budget. I'll have a killer machine for about 2K. I woulnd't mind paying someone a little cash if I knew they were going to do it better, but I don't know anyone personally that I could just take it to like that, esp. here in North Carolina out in the boonies.

                                               

                                              But, for 2K I'm getting more than I've seen for a machine even referbished like at Dell Outlet and Tiger, etc... Mine may be a lot better I believe than anything I could get for almost twice what I'm paying building it myself.

                                              • 20. Temporary solution using Cineform Neoscene Maybe
                                                Neofilm Level 1

                                                Ok, I decided to try the neoscene software real quick. This way I can edit this project while I wait on my parts to build my new machine.

                                                 

                                                I could not get adobe media encoder to convert AVCHD to cineform avi with audio. But, I could with Cineform Neoscene with audio after downloading and installing the ac3 filter.

                                                 

                                                converting a small avchd test clip that's 8.53 megabytes made the file 7.76 times the size, 66.2 megabytes


                                                952 megabytes of AVCHD took 6 minutes and 45 seconds to convert to 6.4 GB of Cineform AVI, about 6.8 times the size

                                                so say 7 minutes to render 1 gig of avchd. Therefore my 24 gig worth of AVCHD wedding project from 3 Sony HDR CX550V cameras would take about 3 hours to render. The resulting media to edit would then go from 24 gigs to approximately 190 gigs.

                                                 

                                                Visually I compared the AVCHD to a Cineform AVI file side by side in Premiere and there was no visual difference that I could see in the still image of them inside the preview pain.

                                                 

                                                To go ahead and edit my current project I'm just going to have convert all of this and then replace the project files. Then recreate a sequence using one of the new files. Then copy my project into that sequence and go to the 45 minute mark and see if it's easier (should be profoundly) edit.

                                                 

                                                I've taken my PNY GTX 470 from best buy out and going to put my GTS 8800 back in. Best Buy has been great to work with but I'm gonig to return the PNY and get a Gigabyte superclocked 470 for the same price from Newegg, it has 3 fans, and it smokes all the other 470's. I did get a sweet chasi that i'm anxious to try out from best buy, they've got a nice Antec 902 and a decent little selection of fans. I'm going to put the Antec V Cool fan I got from Best Buy right below this killer superclocked Gigabyte GTX 470.

                                                I'll not put it back into this PCI-E X16 slot because it's version 1.0. I'll put the new 470 on my new P6X58D Premium ASUS board when it comes in. Oh, and I decided to get an i7 980X for it.

                                                • 21. When it was easier to edit AVCHD in CS4
                                                  Neofilm Level 1

                                                  FYI, when i was able to edit AVCHD easier in CS4, well, there was another factor that I didn't mention, i was editing it from 3 Sony HDR SR1 cameras. They max out at 15 Mbps in their highest HD setting. Well, when I changed to CS5 I also changed cameras at the same time. I changed to 3 Sony HDR CX550 V cameras. However, I only had their setting at 9 Mbps.

                                                   

                                                  I don't know if the cameras would make a difference, but I tell you and everyone here loud and clear, IT WAS EASIER TO EDIT AVCHD ON THE SAME MACHINE WITH CS4 THAN WITH CS5, however, that's assuming (which I hate to do) that if I was able to go back to CS4 I wouldn't still be having these problems and that the different cameras aren't the reason.

                                                   

                                                  On the premise of that assumption it seems the bottom line was in fact changing my board at least so I could actually use a better card to it's potential, and in the process get a more powerful CPU. I tell you what, I bet this new i7 980X CPU based system will last me at least 5 years, maybe even ten, that is if I can finally edit AVCHD like I want, it may be the last computer I ever need if it just does what I want:)

                                                   

                                                  This has been way too much of a journey in the totally not the direction I've ever wanted to go, I can't wait until I'm back into the creative mode...

                                                  • 22. Re: When it was easier to edit AVCHD in CS4
                                                    jpodlesnik1 Level 1

                                                    For me, AVCHD is not an ending point, as I plan eventually to edit RED Redcode raw (at various compression ratios) Scarlet footage (when the camera makes it to market - some say by the end of this year, but most likely no later than spring 2011).  I wonder how my new (soon to arrive) machine will edit that raw footage? :-)

                                                    • 23. Re: When it was easier to edit AVCHD in CS4
                                                      Neofilm Level 1

                                                      I plan to get a sony ex1 soon and use that as my "main" camera. I understand it to have an easier to edit codec. But, I'll continue to use my 3 AVCHD sony hdr cx550v cameras for satellite/periphrial/second/third/forth person cameras. So, I guess I'll continue editing AVCHD for a long time to come, at least in multi-camera shoots, i'll try and hang in there at least 5 years with this gear, if i can!

                                                       

                                                      So, now i'm wondering, in anticipation of the above scenario, will i (using an i7 980x CPU, gtx 470, and 8gig of ddr3 1333 ram or better) be able to edit 3 tracks or more AVCHD natively without converting (i'll soon find out)? and this is the part I'm now wondering, will I be able to edit 3 tracks or more AVCHD with at least one track of XD CAM from sony ex1 without any problems? hopefully i'll soon find out because that may mean i finally got the ex1! Woohoo!

                                                      • 24. Re: When it was easier to edit AVCHD in CS4
                                                        Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                        I would say yes, if you improve your memory to at least 12 GB. 8 GB is suboptimal.

                                                        • 25. Ditched the PNY GTX 470 for a Gigabyte Superclocked GTX 470
                                                          Neofilm Level 1

                                                          I received my Gigabyte Superclocked GTX 470 yesterday! woohoo! only i'm not going to put it in my P5K3 Deluxe, instead I'm patiently waiting for my P6X58D Premium to arive later today. I am excited to see this card perform on my new system!

                                                           

                                                          Harm, thanks for the post and glad to see you in the mix. Yesterday I converted my project files from AVCHD to Cineform and it was like I was editing AVCHD in CS4 again, easy. So, really, that's all I needed to do rather than all of this upgrading. Let's see, video card $350, CPU & mobo was about $1,400, I'll not include the 2 hard drives because I probably needed more space if I would have simply took the alternative route to convert because 24 Gigabytes of AVCHD is about a 120 gigabytes of Cineform AVI.

                                                           

                                                          8 GB of RAM has been excellent. Adobe doesn't even require half that, they only suggest at least half that. I've ran my task manager a bunch adjacent to premiere to watch the performance of my virtual memory and it always only uses about a 1/4 of it at most. But, I'm talking like I know something about all of this here and honestly I don't, I'm assuming that this means something, so please correct my perspective if you think i'm wrong by explaining why I would need more.

                                                           

                                                          The bottom line is my machine performed fine under CS4. It could have been better, less rendering of previews, but most of my work has been simply synching 3 or 4 video tracks, sometimes more or less, and audio tracks, and then cutting it all up and rendering out.

                                                           

                                                          I'm happy with my upgrading though because I think this will open up new doors for me. I assume I'll have less crashes when trying to use adobe dynamic link and maybe I'll jump into learning after effects now and what not. Soon I'll see if it was all worth it.

                                                           

                                                          One thing I'm wondering about more than anything right now is, will I still find it advantageous to convert my AVCHD files with my 980X and GTX 470 handling things? I soon shall see!

                                                          • 26. Re: Ditched the PNY GTX 470 for a Gigabyte Superclocked GTX 470
                                                            jpodlesnik1 Level 1

                                                            It's my impresstion that the added RAM helps, as you mentioned, when using "dynamic link" to switch between (have open) multiple Adobe apps simultaneously. My system arrives tomorrow! Will see how it performs. Will see how the three WD Black X 1TB 6 Gbps 64Mb cache drives and the Areca ARC-1680IX-12 PCIe x8 SAS hardware RAID controller (recommended by Harm) will add to things.

                                                            • 27. IT WORKED! And now I'm replacing my whole computer: More/New RAM is next
                                                              Neofilm Level 1

                                                              Ok, I guess this forum has evolved into building a new computer. Now I realize Harm was right on with what I'd be thinking next.

                                                               

                                                              Apparently as my components improve the demand placed on my other components increase. I am now using more RAM than before when doing the same process. THANKS HARM!

                                                               

                                                              I finally achieved getting my new tower built. The parts came in today. Only I wasn't able to get it all working right away. I ended up having to get a new Power Supply. So, when I was returning the PNY Video Card, I purchased a new power supply and WAHLAH! Everything is working now. Pheeewwww...

                                                               

                                                              So, now the only thing left is the RAM and maybe setting up a RAID and I'll too good to go!

                                                              • 28. GOOD NEWS!!!!
                                                                Neofilm Level 1

                                                                I just finished visiting that ole spot where I was having troubles with my project in AVCHD and it played right through without skipping a beat!

                                                                 

                                                                I can hit the L key now on my keyboard 2 times and watch it at that speed in AVCHD. However, any faster turns into a slideshow.

                                                                 

                                                                I went to the other project, the one where I converted the AVCHD to Cineform AVI and WOW!!! It's heaven! I can literally scrub as fast as i want, like i was doing it crazy like i was painting across the screen swipping the timeline indicator across back and forth and it was scrubbing perfect! I could hit L as many times as i want and it played everywhere at top speed. Even in reverse top speed perfectly.

                                                                 

                                                                My current machine is now:

                                                                 

                                                                P6X58D ASUS

                                                                i7 980X

                                                                SATA II Solid State Drive 256 GB (going to probably get SATA III in here instead)

                                                                Antec 902 CCHSSI

                                                                Black Widow TR2 RX 850W

                                                                 

                                                                5 more other hard drives (may do a RAID later)

                                                                8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz RAM (will replace with at least 12 later)

                                                                 

                                                                and she's purring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks everyone!

                                                                • 29. Re: IT WORKED! And now I'm replacing my whole computer: More/New RAM is next
                                                                  jpodlesnik1 Level 1

                                                                  When I first orderd my pc from endpcnoise.com, the moment I mentioned that I wanted the GTX480 card, the person told me that a 1000 watt PSU was needed. Maybe this is overkill (and my eBill will go up a bit), but it's nice to know I'll be covered. Again, it was nice to have someone who configures and computers from experence help with this. That Areca hardware RAID should help, but count on spending (if new) another $700 for that. :-)  Can't wait for my system to arrive tomorrow.