16 Replies Latest reply: May 20, 2011 5:04 AM by BigJohnD RSS

    How to create a table in Pagemaker?

    KIRANDEVARA

      Hi all,

      Can anybody guide me in creating tables in Adobe pagemaker. Is it possible to create table in free trial version, if so please guide me. Thanks.

        • 1. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
          Ian C. Matthew Community Member

          Oh man! A long time since I used PM. However, from what I remember, you had to run and use a seperate provided prog called Adobe Table. I think it created tables in WMF (Windows MetaFile) and EPS formats for use in PM. That said, as many will agree, why bother with PM? It is no longer being upgraded or even updated to run well on anything past Win XP. Better to upgrade to InDesign ot mave over to something like PagePlus, both of which can run on Win Vista and 7 and will both create better publications including tables than PM.

           

          Hope this helps.

           

          Ian

          • 2. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
            BobLevine UGM

            Adobe Table was crap even back in the day.

             

            As Ian says, you're wasting your time with PM. Try the trial of InDesign.

             

            Bob

            • 3. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
              Claudio González MVP

              I remember that I found it easier to make my tables by hand in PageMaker. And the results were more visually pleasing.  Not to mention the fact that, as the others have said, PageMaker is a dead program.

              • 4. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                Carole Caruso Community Member

                Please. It seems all replies to questions are to upgrade to Indesign. So, please, those who have used both programs to write graphics intensive books - not folders, not pamphlets, nothing under say 300 pages - will you tell us  from your hands on experiece which program will do the better job?

                 

                Thanks.

                 

                Carole

                • 5. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                  BobLevine UGM

                  InDesign will do a better job at anything than Pagemaker. End of story.

                   

                  Bob

                  • 6. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                    Jay Chevako Community Member

                    A 300 page graphic intensive book in pagemaker? I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

                     

                    Indesign will work much better.

                    Jay

                    • 7. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                      Carole Caruso Community Member

                      Jay, are you implying that PageMaker cannot be used to put together a 300 page book? Tell me, please, just what is the page  limitation? I have been assembling the chapter files  into a book list. Is there a limit to the number of chapters that can be added to the book list? If there is a limit to the total number of pages and also a limit to the  number of files placed in the book list in PageMaker, than just what are the limits in InDesign? And just how do you come by this information?

                       

                      Or are you just saying that InDesign is so much easier  than PageMaker? If this is the case, I would still like to hear from people who have used both for a graphics intensive book with their thoughts on comparing the two. I, for one, am quite content to maintain a computer that will take Pagemaker if it is better for the job than InDesign. Hey - I still use DOS 6.22 every day! However, I would replace it in an instant if I could find a program to do the same job as the DOS program I use daily.

                       

                      Carole

                      • 8. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                        BobLevine UGM

                        Knock yourself out. Nobody is telling you that you have to switch.

                         

                        What we're telling you is that PM has no table creation tools and InDesign does. InDesign also has a host of other features that makes pagelayout a pleasure compared to the stone knives and bearskins that Pagemaker provides.

                         

                        Bob

                        • 9. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                          BigJohnD Community Member

                          You can create tables in PM BUT it's so much easier and reliable in InDesign.

                           

                          PM's Table Editor 3 is very poor, and requires all sorts of secondary manoeuvres to work even unreliably.

                          Simple tables can be made with tabs, with underscores for horizontal lines and the line tool for verticals - but it's clearly not satisfactory.

                           

                          You can create a 300 page book/magazine with PM, BUT it's so much easier and reliable in InDesign.

                           

                          The more text boxes and objects in PM, the higher the risk of corruption.  The best way with a very long publication is to split it into chapters of say 10 or 12 pages (or less), using a prepared templates for consistency of format and layout. 

                          • 10. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                            Claudio González MVP

                            Carole, you are certainly free to continue using any program o

                            r OS that you like. We are only telling you that

                            the safest way of doing so is to keep an old

                            computer that can run the appropriate OS, and to hope

                            that it will last for as long as you may need it in the future. And we are also telling you that almost any modern program does a much better job than any of its extint predecesors, whatever the specific field.

                             

                            As for large PageMaker files, I remember to have been warned many, many times, to try to keep my PM files not larger thar a couple of MB to diminish the risk of corruption. And it was through using PageMaker that I learned the importance of a safe backup scheme, including keeping successive versions to avoid ruining your (only) backup copy by overwriting it with a corrupted new version.

                             

                            Incidentally, unless I am wrong, all the people who come to this forum for helping others are long time PageMaker users who moved to InDesign when they were convinced that it is a superior product. In my case, I only made the move after the initial bugs of version 2 were corrected. So you have been advised by persons who do know well both programs, and have used them intensively.

                            • 11. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                              Jay Chevako Community Member

                              Most of us have long since moved on from pagemaker.

                               

                              I think there was/is a page/book limit, but it was never really a factor. the main problem was the tendency of large pagemaker files to corrupt. Breaking them up into books was one of the work arounds. I don't do really long books, mostly magazines, programs and annual reports. so I have never bothered to use the book feature in Indesign, one file is easier.

                               

                              The main reason to use indesign is ease of use. Graphics handling is much better with indesign. No need to create clipping paths in photoshop, the ability to create dropshadows, and use transparency within Indesign. Color mangagement that actually works.

                               

                              Text handling is infinitally better. Character styles, nested styles, advanced search and replace, Grep searches, Span/split columns all make Indesign much easier to use for text.

                               

                              A small monthly magazine I do (about 12 to 18 text pages)  that used to take a couple of days I can knock out in a morning.

                               

                              As for tables, Adobe Table was the worst program to come out of Adobe. I was driven to use Quark for annual reports, before Indesign came along.

                              Jay

                              • 12. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                                BigJohnD Community Member

                                IIRC Adobe out-sourced AT3, which was very poor.  Table Editor 2.5 was fine, and easy use, though very much Pagemaker specific.

                                • 13. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                                  ddBishRX

                                  I found that creating the table in MS Excel 2007 worked quite well. Import into PageMaker 7 is a simple as copy and paste.

                                  There are several types of copy functions in Excel; copy link as text, copy as numbers and copy as picture. Highlight the finished table and ‘copy as picture’, paste into PageMaker 7. Sometimes the fringe edges of the border won’t copy properly but by creating a picture frame boarder all around your table with a row height of 5 and column width of 0.5.

                                  How nice to find a simple solution for a product deemed past it's prime and ready for the grave yard.

                                  • 14. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                                    BigJohnD Community Member

                                    The best solution, and answers to all questions about PM, is to move to InDesign.

                                     

                                    However, the old FAQs are here: http://www.bigjohnd.org.uk/PM_FAQs/PM_FAQs.zip

                                     

                                    Section 4 is about Tables.

                                     

                                    Use the Bookmarks to navigate; links in the text may not work as the original pages are obsolete.

                                    • 15. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                                      BobLevine UGM

                                      Just wait until it blows up in your face just like it did to many others.

                                       

                                      Bob

                                      • 16. Re: How to create a table in Pagemaker?
                                        BigJohnD Community Member

                                        BobLevine wrote:

                                         

                                        Just wait until it blows up in your face just like it did to many others.

                                         

                                        As it says right at the beginning of the FAQs:

                                         

                                        Do not copy/paste or use Paste Special/Insert Object to bring tables from other applications into PageMaker. This is the cause of your problems with your tables.

                                         

                                        And that's dated 2002.