8 Replies Latest reply on Jul 22, 2007 5:21 AM by Newsgroup_User

    why so many framesets to save?!

    bjnick86
      I am a beginner. I created a home page (index.html) and put in a simple frame. I inserted three tables to align text. When I went to save the page, it made me save 14 different "untitled framesets." (???) What did I do wrong?

      All I want is to simply save the pages...is there wrong way to insert framesets? I used my book "teach yourself Visually" and I followed the instructions for inserting a frameset. I think....
        • 1. Re: why so many framesets to save?!
          bjnick86 Level 1
          I should clarify...I would think that saving that page would require ONE click; not require me to save 14 separate framets (!)...so....I know I did something wrong...
          • 2. Re: why so many framesets to save?!
            Level 7
            Learn how to use frames in a couple of years, when you can appreciate all
            the reasons for not using them. For now, stick with simple, flat pages.
            Why are you feeling the need to use frames, anyhow?

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            "bj nick" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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            >I am a beginner. I created a home page (index.html) and put in a simple
            >frame.
            > I inserted three tables to align text. When I went to save the page, it
            > made me
            > save 14 different "untitled framesets." (???) What did I do wrong?
            >
            > All I want is to simply save the pages...is there wrong way to insert
            > framesets? I used my book "teach yourself Visually" and I followed the
            > instructions for inserting a frameset. I think....
            >


            • 3. Re: why so many framesets to save?!
              Level 7


              > I should clarify...I would think that saving that page would require ONE
              > click; not require me to save 14 separate framets (!)...so....I know I did
              > something wrong...

              a frameset involves the html frameset page, and the files for each frame in
              it. Nesting framesets involves more files.

              so- a simple frameset with two frames makes 3 html files.

              If saving one frameset page caused 14 html files to be needed, it's a
              monster or monstrosity.

              Can you do the layout or design you want with just a simple flat page, no
              frames??

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              • 4. Re: why so many framesets to save?!
                Level 7
                And it means that you added frames/framesets without knowing that you were
                doing so....

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                "Alan" <please_dont_mail_me@example.com> wrote in message
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                >
                >
                >> I should clarify...I would think that saving that page would require ONE
                >> click; not require me to save 14 separate framets (!)...so....I know I
                >> did
                >> something wrong...
                >
                > a frameset involves the html frameset page, and the files for each frame
                > in
                > it. Nesting framesets involves more files.
                >
                > so- a simple frameset with two frames makes 3 html files.
                >
                > If saving one frameset page caused 14 html files to be needed, it's a
                > monster or monstrosity.
                >
                > Can you do the layout or design you want with just a simple flat page, no
                > frames??
                >
                > --
                > Alan
                > Adobe Community Expert, dreamweaver
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                >
                >


                • 5. Re: why so many framesets to save?!
                  bjnick86 Level 1
                  Thanks for all your responses. My answer is: forget the frames. I am just still in the WSYWG mode of expecting to just click and drag everything and it's not that simple with a high-end program like this; I realize that. I'm just going to keep it as simple as possible: text, links, done. Then, as I learn the program I can gradually add the more professional elements.

                  quick questions: 1) I want to delete a site I started. In "recent" I see the previous site and all the other detritus of it; how can I delete all of that so I don't have to look at it any more? (I deleted the pages; I need to delete the reference to them from "recent")

                  2) If I unintentionally create extra pages that I don't want ("untitled 1," "untitled 2", etc., how can I simply delete those from the site?

                  3) I'm used to using tables to layout pages, images, etc. the tables in DW are not as simple as low-end progrmas. Is there on the web a reference for a really clear, how-to on using tables in DW? Simple enough that a real newbie can follow along and not say "arrgghhh!" all the time? Thanks!
                  • 6. Re: why so many framesets to save?!
                    Level 7


                    > 1) I want to delete a site I started. In "recent" I see the
                    > previous site and all the other detritus of it; how can I delete all of that
                    > so
                    > I don't have to look at it any more? (I deleted the pages; I need to delete
                    > the
                    > reference to them from "recent")

                    ignore it.
                    or open some other pages seven or eight times to replace the old entries
                    ask again that you really want to do this, and i can search and come up with
                    the edit you'll need to make to the Windows REGISTRY file. assuming windows.


                    >
                    > 2) If I unintentionally create extra pages that I don't want ("untitled 1,"
                    > "untitled 2", etc., how can I simply delete those from the site?

                    dw Files Panel.
                    right-click on the file, "delete"
                    Or- select the file with mouse click, and click the keyboard delete button.

                    >
                    > 3) I'm used to using tables to layout pages, images, etc. the tables in DW are
                    > not as simple as low-end progrmas. Is there on the web a reference for a
                    > really
                    > clear, how-to on using tables in DW? Simple enough that a real newbie can
                    > follow along and not say "arrgghhh!" all the time? Thanks!
                    >

                    don't have one handy- not sure what you mean.

                    suggestion-
                    sketch the layout on paper, so you have an idea of rows/columns you need.
                    Where it needs to be elastic, etc.
                    Keep the tables simple.
                    It's better to stack tables vertically than to have a complicated single
                    table.
                    Nest tables where needed so the page isn't overly complicated with
                    rowspans/colspans.

                    You want a top banner/menu full width.
                    below it, you want a menu on left, on right main content area.
                    at bottom, a full width footer menu.

                    okay- so you need two columns in the main table. (menu and main content)
                    You need three rows, if doing it in one table.
                    The menu should be it's own nested table, inside a single cell of the main
                    table.

                    Insert a table with 3 rows and 2 columns.
                    use mouse/menu to merge the two columns in the top and bottom rows.

                    in the center row, left cell, insert a new nested table 1 column wide by XX
                    rows tall (xx is the number of menu choices)

                    boom- it's roughly laid out.

                    Or- dig into doing a simple CSS positioned page.

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                    • 7. Re: why so many framesets to save?!
                      bjnick86 Level 1
                      thanks very much- What I meant was, is there a good how-to on just using tables in DW in general...?

                      I will try what you said; I'll follow that exactly. Can I attach the file and send it so you can check it out and see if I did it right?

                      let me know...thanks.
                      • 8. Re: why so many framesets to save?!
                        Level 7
                        Check the table tutorials at the DWFAQ link in my sig.

                        For simple CSS layout, go here -

                        http://apptools.com/examples/pagelayout101.php


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                        "bj nick" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                        news:f7ofpc$jkd$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                        > thanks very much- What I meant was, is there a good how-to on just using
                        > tables
                        > in DW in general...?
                        >
                        > I will try what you said; I'll follow that exactly. Can I attach the file
                        > and
                        > send it so you can check it out and see if I did it right?
                        >
                        > let me know...thanks.
                        >