I don't know what hurry you are in. Currently the 980X is the best you can get and it may be another year for Intel to come with a good successor on the X68 platform.The current crop of announced Sandy Bridge CPU's is only suitable for mediocre systems at best. There is no X68 mobo out or even announced yet for the new octo-cores.
Meanwhile, consider investing in 24 GB memory and a good raid controller and additional disks. That will make your life and editing experience much nicer.
Have a look here: PPBM5 Benchmark to see what makes a fast system.
Sandy bridge "budget " processor will be out jan 9.
these will not come close to beating present 6 core, nor will there be a 6 core budget.
the big dog Sandy Bridge is not until last quarter 2011. in other words a yr.
no need to wait
Thanks for your advice and comments so far. I am not in a great hurry, but would like to have the build complete by the end of Jan at the latest. I had heard that the 2600K could overclock to 5GHz on air with ease. Does this make a difference? also that it has improved processing power particluarly for video editing compared to the current range?
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OC to 5GHz on air? highly unlikely
the rule is usually 25% of highest speed
3.33 x 25% or a tad over 4GHz.
you missing the point. the sandy bridge coming out is budget... stock speed are about only 10% improvement
we have a 2300 and a 2600k here but have not had time to complete benchmarks for audio/video
just some basic synthetics which are not idea for gauging performance on pro level worksatations
again BUDGET SAndy bridge.. dual channel ram not tri channel
a 970/980x will not be beat by any sandy bridge coming out in Jan...
even at 5ghz.
One thing to consider about supposed overclocks as well, is right now what are floating around are engineering samples. There have been plenty of CPU's in recents years that are absolutely incredible overclockers according to early reviews of ES models, but are not as good once the retail models hit the shelves, sometimes the opposite is slightly true as well.
Now, the sandy bridge may be a great option if you don't want to spend $1000 on a cpu for an extreme high end system, but as has already been stated, the sandy bridge chips that are coming out are the LGA 1155 models, replacing the current LGA 1556 socket which are all the i3/i5/and 8** i7's so they are not the 9** i7 replacements.
If you are not in a rush it won't hurt to wait, but don't expect anything to knock the 980x off of the top (unless they finally get around to releasing the 990x).
Thanks for all your replies
Seems that the concensus is that 980x is better and indeed a different beast altogether. (Although I suspect harder to overclock for beginners)
However have been digging a little deeper and would also value your thoughts on the better option between these two - current i7 950 is or the 2600K for a video editing premier pro build.
Actually we may need to revise the comments by Scott after finally getting some time on the 2600. There have been some new developments with that chip that are different than any previous that have made testing this with video an absolute requirement to gauge the performance. I will elaborate further asap and as long as we are allowed before Jan 9.
Sandy Bridge could be delayed and turn out to be a new socket type although I doubt it. Honestly I'd go for the 980x, however there is another hexa-core Intel processor available for 100 dollars less.
Thanks again for your thoughts
I think official release of sb is imminent - jan 9th. I will wait a coule weeks - to see how it does compare before going for one of them.
From the small amount of research done and limited info at this time it seems that for my needs at this time for a new build 980x>2600k or also as i do not have a workable system at the moment if not the 980x then 2600k may actually be better for mysef than 950.
I am very curios and encouraged by your comments Eric and look forward to your further posts when you have more info to share.
If anyone has any more info/thoughts they think will be useful please do let us know
OK I submitted the PPBM5 with the Sandy Bridge 2600 with 8GB of ram and the 460 Card. I will run again with 16GB of ram and the 470GTX and submit them later today. Very interesting results. 245 Seconds total time
Revised - Waiting on more 470GTX's to arrive today. Submitted the PPBM5 results for now with 16GB of ram and the 570GTX card. Even more interesting results. 186 Seconds total time which was a big improvement.
BTW this is not a K version. This is just the 2600. The K version we have arriving today should really be fun.
Got the 2600K version up and running at 4.7GHz. That seems to be the ceiling atleast on this chip. The performance boost so far with our internal benchmarks is amazing. It's on pace to beat the Dual Xeon overclocked to 4GHZ. I will post total results tomorrow.
can you post your results ?
i am very interested in tihs cpu. any diff 2600 vs 2600k in bench ?
Results have been posted here: PPBM5 Benchmark
Also read the PPBM5 Latest News
Conclusion is that the i7-2600K is a nice CPU, but nothing to get excited about. It requires massive over-clocking to 4.7 GHz to end up very close to an i7-920 at 3.7 GHz, and is still severely hampered by the platform, because it prevents installation of a raid controller.
Keep in mind that ADK, in casu Eric is a professional in tuning a system, so his results will be hard to beat by others with an i7-2600K.
I will post the internal benchmark results tomorrow when I am back in the office. Our internal don't take into account drive configurations beyond what is Ideal for the codec used in the benchmark. They are just encoding performance benchmarks with the MPE. Where as the PPBM5 takes into account the entire configuration including drive configurations since it uses multiple codecs, both ideal for testing encoding and drive throughput. That is why the results are different. Keep in mind the storage arrays add cost to the entire configuration so that has to be considered when deciding the best configuration. I also need to redo the 2600K PPBM5 testing with a SSD OS drive versus a Seagate 32 meg cache drive that the results Harm posted were run with and see if the slow mechanical drive effected the results significantly. It is the perfect time to see the performance increase a SSD drive brings to the table since as Harm states, the platform storage limitation seems to limit the performance especially when considering the PPBM5 to our Internal Benchmarks.
The clocking to 4.7GHz on the chip also was tricky and took allot of work to make stable. Overclocking with Sandy Bridge is allot different than what most are use to and will be tricky if you want to go that extreme or higher. The 2600K seems to handle up to 4.4 without much work. Beyond that it gets complicated with the new settings required in Sandy Bridge overclocking.
why would SSD for the OS matter Eric, we tested this last time as well as using the SSD as the temp file (separate from the OS drive) for little or no gain?
i think what needs to be looked at here is overall cost
a 920 or even 950/975 stock in no way can keep up with the 2600 stock.
buy the time you price out the systems that actually beat the 2600 vs a 2600 system you will find a huge cost factor.
the fact that the SB platform can take 32gig ram makes it a very attractive platform for many.
most people do not buy or need 8 drive raid arrays or 48 gig ram.
most do not need dual Xeon @ 4GHz either.
the average wedding guy training video etc will find the 2600 a very viable platform.
just as the 950 was. <--- past tense>
my recommendation now is 2600 not the 950..
while it only offers dual channel support over tri channel its internal prefetch/ preload has doubled over Nehalem. 512 bits not 256.
Well if you look at the top results in the PPBM5, all but 1 has 10K drives or Higher or SSD drives. Considering the page file and where the temp files go then the SSD drive might very well make a difference in this case where it seems the Storage is slowing the performance. That would be worth testing especially since the encoding performance on our benchmarks is so high but the PPBM5 is moderated by what seems to be the drive configuration. Definitely worth testing.
all the more reason to get your sorry butt to work..
pretty bad i just went to the bank and there is a bunch of WOMEN in there who made it to work
Hehe likely they live 5 or 10 minutes away from work like you do
How much will cost to fill up the sandyB with 32GRAM? let say @ 9-9-9-24 cl.????
I guess more that a SSD 512GB. I Dont know.
btw I read these:
Direct Media Interface (DMI) is point-to-point interconnection between an Intel northbridge and an Intel southbridge on a computer motherboard. It is the successor of the Hub Interface used in previous chipsets. It provides for a 10Gb/s bidirectional data rate.
I guess for use the maximun potential of these chipsets person need a raid controller that can read and write minimunt 5gb/s.
If these exist $$$$$$$$$
I let some interesting info for who like to keep informed.
32gb on sandy brige? Well you would have to go with server quality ram and that will increase the price as well.
@ Harm, why do you say the sandy bridge platform does not allow for the installation of a raid controller? Is it a chipset limitation or the fact that most p67 boards run one PCI-E 16x and one full size 4x?
How much will cost to fill up the sandyB with 32GRAM? let say @ 9-9-9-24 cl.????
Not too bad, around € 1,000, but only in DDR3-1333.
TO NIGHT ILL put my 950 @ 4.5 allready a have I better time with the GTX 460 @ 900MHZ then to make these more fear, I'll buy 3x4 dominator so will be in total 18G To compare.
Thanks to ADK For try of the sandyb and share the result.
i'm afraid i'm not 100% sure for my new system,
my first post here, greetings
i've been reading the forum now and then looking for some hardware information before i buy my editing system
within 1800 usd/ 1400 eur, sandy bridge 2600k or the older i7 875k/ i7 950 ?
i work with footage from canon dslrs, 1080p, cs5 premiere, cs5 after effects
never done overclocking before, but i consider myself pretty literate in computers and i learn everything from the web
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155 here is says that the p67 chipset supports sata 3.0; also will not use an external raid controller (not this year), probably two 1 terrabyte drives in raid 1 (i understand there is a software mode for raid1).
what am i missing ?
These are our internal Benchmark results so far with the 5.0.3 I promised yesterday. Our dual Xeon results are still from 5.0.1 until I get this next Xeon system into QA. Then I will post those. I included a 980X overclocked with a SSD OS drive that I ran today as well to compare.
Premiere Pro CS5 Version 5.0.3 Testing
I7 2600 3.4GHZ Turbo to 3.9GHz
8GB Blackline 1600 CL 9
4 WD 1Tb Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drives in 2 Raid 0 arrays
Video material - AVCHD 1080P 24 Frame Each Cut to 30 minutes of material
Export Codec - H264 HDTV 1080P 24 Preset Default
4 Effects per Layer - Fast Color Corrector, Brightness & Contrast, Video Limiter, Sharpen
Each Layer Scaled to 50% for 4 frame PinP view.
3 Layer - 37:35
4 Layer - 40:49
16GB Blackline 1600 CL 9
3 Layer - 36:17
4 Layer - 40:05
I7 2600K 3.4GHZ Turbo to 4.7GHz
16GB Blackline 1600 CL 9
3 Layer - 31:35
4 Layer - 34:35
I7 980X 4GHZ
12GB Blackline 1600 CL 9
3 Layer - 32:30
4 Layer - 35:25
HOla Valentin, para editar este tipo de videos no se a que nivel te hara falta o con rapidez te hara falta.
cualquiera de los dos te iran bien, 2600k o 950. dicen que para un raid te ira mejor el 950 pero yo estoy esperando que llegue el 2600k
mi opinion es que casi es mas importante la grafica, porque con eso haces la diferencia.
pero ya te digo a que nivel piensas editar ? si clips musicales o si ediciones de boda de 1 hora...
mi twitter @exte1977 para lo que quieras
thank you Erick, i Just add to this info the cost for every setup... and it will be perfect !
what would happend if you dont use raid just 2 drives ???
how the bench would be influenced ?
Hey whats thats Eric???
you mean that lowly Sandy Bridge beat the 980x @ 4ghz? naw cant be..
It will slow the export times down significantly. Raid 0 is the ideal configuration for dealing with AVCHD and Exporting to H264. Beyond that the returns are minimal as far as export times.
esteban, i think i understand your answer
(i'm not spanish, i'm from Romania)
i edit weddings, but the wedding movies are not longer than one hour, actually not longer than 40 mins
i'll go for the 2600k, i am betting the platform will have more use in the future and it's cheaper
Dear Erik. 16G vs 18G MAKE I big difference. Please could you make the same test with 18G ON the 980 and minus 2G on the PP and lets compare.
We will be abel to compare fearly.
thx v. m.
b.r. Cristobal OC/PC.
I had to ship that 980X system yesterday so I will have to wait for the next one in QA to run with 24GB. We don't sell 18GB configs. Normally it's 12GB or 24GB.
Offcourse 24G are more logic. I mean that if the sandy with 16G will make work PP using13G reserving 3 for the OS Why dont try a 980 asignating 13G Then I gess the result will be more real. Dont you think?
Well with the current Memory allocation of Adobe, the 3 layer benchmark project has shown little to no difference with 24GB of ram installed. I will test that again with the next 980X system overclocked to 4GHz and post the results. The 4 layer shows a slight difference but it is marginal. This means the benchmark projects are not really pushing the ram beyond 12 GB.Obviously bigger and more extensive projects will change that as well as the codecs used. This is where the platforms begin to show a difference just like the I7 900 series systems and the Dual Xeons. That is why workflow and codecs used as well as amount of work in AE decides the best configuration. For standard editors though, AVCHD and H264 are your most common codecs and 30 minutes of material is a good average for a sequence. We based our internals on that. The PPBM5 is the same. You have to consider the project that Harm and Bill incorporate compared to your workflow and decide if your workflow is greater or less than the PPBM5 standard. There is some subjective values to these and those have to be considered.
To those who have contributed to the discussion / debate so far it has been very helpful.
When I posted the original questions I was quite unsure of the best way forward and I am not as experienced as most who have posted their views.
I am now much better informed of the pro's and cons of the different platforms for video editing.
Reading the comments on this and other threads and research elsewhere on the net has made the decision much easier and straight forward.
I am going with the 2600K and Gigabyte p67aUD7. I dont really want to wait for the next versions or ivy bridge and I am glad I did wait for this.
For my own needs at this time this should serve me very well.
I am interested in the on going comments on this subject and no doubt I will be asking your views on related topics in the future. What a great resource.
Thanks to all.
I talked with Eric today about the differences between the Sandy Bridge and 980x and I think for what we do (Event Video) I am leaning to the Sandy Bridge. I know that this thread is a little old, but wanted to see if there have been any new experiences good or bad with the Sandy Bridge processors.
Price/performance, Sandy Bridge is the way to go. I was going to buy a 990x. But after lots of research, and seeing that I would save a bundle getting a 2600K, I opted for Sandy Bridge. There's a thread around this forum that does a performance comparison between both. It's interesting to see that in some tests, SandyBridge is faster then the X58. And in other tests, it's the other way around. Overall, my conclusion was it did not warrant the price premium to go 990x. It made more business sense to go with SandyBridge, even if it was slightly slower in some tests (but on the other hand, faster in others). Amongst other things, this gave me the opportunity to purchase other, much needed gear that I would not have been able to afford otherwise.